john terry

[Bert]

The FA should've told Capello to do it. Massively undermining him there.

It should go to Gerrard or Parker. People are saying but that's just daft.

[Jimothy]

We shouldn't have a set captain. Declaring a captain before the team is picked gives the impression his position in the team is untouchable. Nobodies place in the team should be untouchable, it breeds complacency. It's not as if the captain takes all the press conferences, I've seen Hart, Cahill, Rooney, amongst others take them over the last few squads, so it's not as of we need a figurehead off the pitch.

What we should do is hand the captaincy for each game to the most capped player in that game. Granted that will mean the same player gets it most the time, but at the end of the day it's purely a ceremonial thing. If the players truly respect Terry, Gerrard, Barry etc they'll listen to them on the pitch if they are wearing a plastic armband or not. At the moment it would mean Ashley Cole would take the armband, but as he's not the full time captain as Terry has been over the past few years, should his form drop, he can be dropped without any massive issue and the captain for the next match will be whoever has the most caps after him (most likely Gerrard or Lampard).

It's not like any of the most likely candidates for a full time captain are shining beacons of good hearted family values and sportsmanship, they're all thuggish twats or philandering sex crazed wankers, and choosing a captain for England based on morality is only going to see us picking a new one every five minutes when the latest choices decides he's going to shag his best mates other half, take drugs, send naked pictures of himself to random women by text or utter some racist slur.

So my choice is nobody for captain.

[Jaspa]

If the players are going to complain about the press being so predatory after World Cups, they should stop giving them exactly what they want.

We have absolutely no chance of doing well in the Euros with this sort of mess goin on. . . . Unless we have a mass overhaul

[Alexikokopops]

He shouldnt be captain for his previous stuff BUT to strip someone on the fact they might be found guilty is awful.

Racism - the only crime where Inoocent until proven guilty is reversed.

John Terry is a weasel of the highest order but I do agree that having it stripped for this before he's been found guilty sits a touch uncomfortably. If it was genuinely causing trouble in the changing room (despite the lack of guilt so far) then I could understand more, but the fact it's done by the FA and not Capello suggests it's not really for that reason.

Ultimately though:

We shouldn't have a set captain. Declaring a captain before the team is picked gives the impression his position in the team is untouchable. Nobodies place in the team should be untouchable, it breeds complacency. It's not as if the captain takes all the press conferences, I've seen Hart, Cahill, Rooney, amongst others take them over the last few squads, so it's not as of we need a figurehead off the pitch.

What we should do is hand the captaincy for each game to the most capped player in that game. Granted that will mean the same player gets it most the time, but at the end of the day it's purely a ceremonial thing. If the players truly respect Terry, Gerrard, Barry etc they'll listen to them on the pitch if they are wearing a plastic armband or not. At the moment it would mean Ashley Cole would take the armband, but as he's not the full time captain as Terry has been over the past few years, should his form drop, he can be dropped without any massive issue and the captain for the next match will be whoever has the most caps after him (most likely Gerrard or Lampard).

It's not like any of the most likely candidates for a full time captain are shining beacons of good hearted family values and sportsmanship, they're all thuggish twats or philandering sex crazed wankers, and choosing a captain for England based on morality is only going to see us picking a new one every five minutes when the latest choices decides he's going to shag his best mates other half, take drugs, send naked pictures of himself to random women by text or utter some racist slur.

So my choice is nobody for captain.

I agree with this. I've never understood why it's such a big deal anyway. They're playing a game of football, not going over the top into no-mans land

[Soar Fox]

Just as long as Wayne Rooney doesn't get it I'm not bothered who wears the armband.

[theacademic]

Recently, I have been conducting academic research on the latest incidents of racism in football and whether this is a new phase or has been present for a number of years. Today (Friday) John Terry has been removed as captain of England ahead of his court appearance in July. I'm interested to know what you think of this and whether Terry should go to the European Championships. I've set up a 3-question survey that will take you less than a minute to complete - just go to: http://www.topfan.co.uk

Thanks in advance.

[Mack]

I'll not bother with the survey, however John Terry is a nasty piece of work from a rough family of wronguns.

People try and read too much into it all, he is just a toe rag, plain and simple.

I'm sure at most people's place of work there is a resident turd, you can find bad eggs by taking a cross section of any walk of life.

[foxfanazer]

I'll not bother with the survey, however John Terry is a nasty piece of work from a rough family of wronguns.

People try and read too much into it all, he is just a toe rag, plain and simple.

I'm sure at most people's place of work there is a resident turd, you can find bad eggs by taking a cross section of any walk of life.

Finally somebody who knows John terry personally commenting on this thread so how do u know him?

[Jay]

Finally somebody who knows John terry personally commenting on this thread so how do u know him?

plenty of alleged events to suggest this, his dads arrest for drug dealing, his mothers arrest for shoplifting, him and his brothers alleged affairs with team mates partners, terrys role in abusing American tourists after 911, charged but ultimately exonerated of assault and affray of a night club bouncer, the racism thing....

trouble does seem to follow him around as they say, you can't be unlucky all the time

[Mack]

Finally somebody who knows John terry personally commenting on this thread so how do u know him?

I dont personally, but being from London by birth I have lifelong friends who know the family.

Jay. You missed out his brother Paul shagging a team mates misses and the poor bloke hung himself.

[Tielemans63]

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/rio-and-terry-rift-so-wide-capello-cannot-play-both-6449954.html

Interesting article. The Indy reckon Capello will have to choose either Terry or Rio - not both. I know who I'd take (if he was fit!).

IMHO JT shouldn't play for England again, he's a hugely divisive figure and I think a lot of the other players would resent his presence in the squad. We failed miserably at the last tournament and a divided squad was a key factor. That'll be 10 times worse if JT comes back in now.

[foxfanazer]

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/rio-and-terry-rift-so-wide-capello-cannot-play-both-6449954.html

Interesting article. The Indy reckon Capello will have to choose either Terry or Rio - not both. I know who I'd take (if he was fit!).

IMHO JT shouldn't play for England again, he's a hugely divisive figure and I think a lot of the other players would resent his presence in the squad. We failed miserably at the last tournament and a divided squad was a key factor. That'll be 10 times worse if JT comes back in now.

Rio Ferdinand is awful! If they drop terry it should be Cahill and someone else

[Turtles Head]

Just another farce to add to the long list of embarrassments that is the England national team.

Usually, I take the day off work for every England game in a major competition. This year I won't be. I haven't watched England try to play football for over a year, and I feel better for it. It's a group of overpaid, overrated, arrogant, egotistic wankers. John Terry, Rio Ferdinand and Ashley Cole are not people I enjoy watching represent our country. As well as the likes of Darren Bent, Peter Crouch, Gary Cahll, Micah Richards, Stewart Downing, who are below par at international level. I'd rather book off every Spain match and enjoy watching some quality football, instead of getting caught up with the blind faith in a bunch of clowns.

The next England manager will have some serious issues to resolve with that team.

[Turtles Head]

Hart

Johnson King Dawson Walker

Jones Parker

Young Gerrard Walcott

Rooney

With Harry Redknapp in charge. This would get me watching again

[FoxyPV]

Good to see that Capello thinks alleged infidelity is worse than alleged racist abuse.

Good old catholicism

[Haydos]

I'd love Joe Hart to be given it. Great long term captain material. Only downside is he's a keeper, only my opinion but playing or managing, I'd want my captain to be in the middle of the park at CB/CM.

Until then It's gotta be Gerrard and then Parker if Gerrard's not playing.

[Mack]

Capello is looking for a way out in my opinion.

Suits me fine.

If the FA have grounds to sack him for his comments about Terry get on with it!

[accessory]

Hart

Johnson King Dawson Walker

Jones Parker

Young Gerrard Walcott

Rooney

With Harry Redknapp in charge. This would get me watching again

Contempt and subjudice laws prevent me from posting a comment on that suggestion...

[Guest MattP]

Good to see that Capello thinks alleged infidelity is worse than alleged racist abuse.

Good old catholicism

What's wrong with that?

Nothing to do with religion, if you offered me a choice of being racially abused or my wife cheating on me I know which one I'd rather be a victim of.

One is possibly hurtful words spoken the other is actions that has driven many people to a life of misery and suicide.

[Haydos]

The following is copy-and-pasted verbatim from a

Chelsea forum, in which former Chelsea youth player Sam Tillen – who now plays his football in Iceland – writes candidly about his experiences as having John Terry as his club captain during his formative years.

I’ve no idea when it dates from, but the article has been translated directly from Icelandic so it may not scan properly in places. That said, it’s perfectly legible and presents Terry in a rarely acknowledged light. It may just add another dimension to your monochrome view of a man so often vilified by all and sundry (hands up, Pies have been as guilty as anyone else on that front on occasion)…

"As football fans, we don’t get a lot of opportunities to judge a player’s persona, all we get is stuff from the newspaper and other medias and of course how the player acts on the football pitch. It’s normal that our feelings towards them are based on those things, since we don’t know them personally. But unfortunately this can be very deceiving.

Sometimes reporters can have a lot of propaganda. They could have had an argument with the player, be friends with his ex-wife or support a rival club. When a player steps on the field on a Saturday the whole world watches him play under the pressure of his life. Players, managers and supporters have all been waiting for this moment – kick off.

It’s abnormal to judge people’s behaviour under these circumstances. Do you think that when Gary Neville wins a game of hide and seek with his daughter he yells at his wife “Come on!!!!” while he holds on to his shirt like he did in front of Liverpool supporters at Old Trafford? I think not.

When you are around the training ground you get to see the players in their true form. Some of them surprise and charm you while others dissappoint you. This would also be the case if you meet someone in real life. The fact that footballers are famous does not make them any different. They just have talent in a specific field just like doctors or architects. Some of them are good people, others are not.

The year 2002, I was 17 and had been injured for eight months. I usually had to train twice as much to be in form. I trained with several players during rehabilation and since John Terry was facing injury as well I trained a lot with him. We trained together for three or four weeks before he began to play again and prove himself as the number one center-back in the first team.

After this, John always observed how I was doing with my injury and he wished me good luck for my first game after 11 months of rehabilation. Unfortunately in that first game I got heavily injured again and had to go to surgery three days later. When the physio came to visit me he said that ‘JT’ had asked if I could get vacation and he even asked Graeme (Le Saux) if they could use the ‘discipline fund’ (money collected if a player comes to training late and such) from the first team to pay for my vacation. I couldn’t believe it.

After staying home for ten days, I went to the training ground and John was there. He asked how I was doing and then said “Me and Graeme have arranged for you to go to a vacation, you can go wherever you want, with your friend or your brother, you deserve something good. Just think about where you want to go, this isn’t your money! Just let us know how much it costs and we will arrange it.

I didn’t know what to say other than ‘thank you’. I talked to the youth and reserve coaches and they told me it was probably best for me to take the vacation. One of the reserve coaches said that I still had that ‘hospital color’ because I was as white as a ghost. I lost a lot of blood in the surgery and it showed in my face.

My mother had also just had surgery so she could use a a little break from work. That’s why I wanted to take her with me. It was October so I needed to find ‘some place hot’ like John advised me to do.

The one place close that was hot enough was Southern Spain and because this wasn’t my money I didn’t want to take advantage of the generosity from John. So, the next day during practice I said to John “Is it okay if me and my mother go to Sevilla over the weekend?”

His answer was, “Come on Tills! You can go wherever you want for free, why do you want to go there? It won’t even be hot. Look at it again, go to the Caribbean or something, you can sit at the beach without having to worry how much it is going to cost, we will make sure of it.”

So I went and checked again and found a good offer for a trip to Tobago. I talked to my physio for a few days and he said “It’s fine, just talk to JT.” I still felt for bad spending other people’s money, I had never done that before. So naturally I was a little nervous when I was talking to John, telling him about the trip I had in mind.

And what did John say? ”No problem, good choice! Just give me the info and we’ll pay it.” He arranged everything and the day before I was leaving for the trip he called me over in the dressing room. “Tills, your going tomorrow, right?” He went to his pocket and took out £100. ”Here, some pocket money to spend”. I said that I couldn’t accept it. He asked again and again I refused. Then he stood up and said “you’re not going anywhere until you accept this!”. I had no choice.

When I came back from the trip, I was renewed and a large part of the reason was that I was finally ready to play football again, 6 months after my surgery.

In my first game after the injury (in the youth team) we were playing Crystal Palace at our training ground. The first team wasn’t suppose to have training until 3pm but our game was at 10am. John came to see me play, 5 hours before his training. He came just to see if I would get through the game, which happened. He certainly didn’t have to do that, but he did.

When by brother Joe was in the youth team, John paid for driving lessons for every single player in the youth team because he knew how expensive it was when you only get £80-a-week in wages. The youth players just had to tell him how much it cost and John paid it the next day.

At that time, when the youth players were cleaning the first team players’ boots, everyone wanted to get one of the ‘sharks’ – John, Frank Lampard, Jody Morris, etc – because they gave the highest christmas bonuses. Some players didn’t give any bonuses even though the youth players had cleaned they’re boots for six months.

John didn’t only give high bonuses, but he even paid for the youth players fines if he thought they were being treated unfairly. Of course, he told them not to tell a soul.

John has never forgotten what it was like to be a player in the youth team and he is the perfect captain. He was always available if you wanted to talk to him. He always asked every youth player how they were doing in the team. If he heard that you played well in a match, he congratulated and encouraged you. He really had an interest. He never forgot the young players.

He was always monitored the youth players, including me. For instance, he found an agent for me that I signed with. When youth players traveled with the first team he always made sure that they got their bonuses, that made a lot of difference in their paychecks.

He helped them adapt and welcomed them into a new environment. On the pitch and the training ground he was magnificent, he had an heart like a lion. He trained after practices, always did that little extra. We really looked up to him.

It wasn’t just the youth players either. There are endless stories of his kindness and generosity, stories that never left the training ground. One of them stands out: We had an old masseuse called Al. One day his car broke down for good. He said that he couldn’t attend training sessions anymore because it was very difficult for a man of his age to use public transport.

One day after practice, John told him to go to the parking lot and close his eyes. When he opened them he saw a brand new car. John had asked every player in the first team to chip in to buy Al a new car. The old man started to cry. This all happened before Roman Abramovich and before John was a superstar and started making big money.

Last year Al got seriously sick and had to be in a hospital. When John found out, he immediately contacted him. Al was flattered to hear from him, and his wife was delighted that John had taken the time to think about him. John visited Al regularly until he passed away and John, of course, attended his funeral.

Marcel Desailly – the Chelsea captain before him – didn’t do anything like the things John did. He couldn’t care less about the young players or anyone else in the club for that matter.

As a player he was impeccable, but as a captain he did nothing and wasn’t even close to what John is. In my first and second year in the youth team it was our job to get signed shirts from players from the first team, those shirts where then sent to fans or to a charity.

We all stood in a row in the hallway before practices when the first team players walked passed us and then they signed the shirts. When Mr. Desailly came, he usually pretended to be on the phone so he didn’t have to do anything. We were like “Marcel, uuuuuumm, Marcel, could you please…..” and then he was gone. Disappointment.

Some players cause you a lot of disappointment when you meet them personally. They also do that in daily life. John has, of course, had a few problems off the pitch that have gotten a lot of press, but I will always remember how he treated me when I was a teenager.

No one else would have done that or even thought about doing it. He is no saint, but there is a reason why Chelsea fans, players and staff look at John Terry as a real leader.”

[The Year Of The Fox]

The following is copy-and-pasted verbatim from a

Chelsea forum, in which former Chelsea youth player Sam Tillen – who now plays his football in Iceland – writes candidly about his experiences as having John Terry as his club captain during his formative years.

I’ve no idea when it dates from, but the article has been translated directly from Icelandic so it may not scan properly in places. That said, it’s perfectly legible and presents Terry in a rarely acknowledged light. It may just add another dimension to your monochrome view of a man so often vilified by all and sundry (hands up, Pies have been as guilty as anyone else on that front on occasion)…

He probably paid for the lad to go away so JT could nob his missis whilst away (jokes before the JT team sue me)

[AyewJoking]

that was a nice story. maybe he was a good guy until he made it big and lost his morals.

[Haydos]

that was a nice story. maybe he was a good guy until he made it big and lost his morals.

I still don't think it's even as extreme as that. The guy's cheated on his wife so he's a bit of a dick. Whatever, there's plenty of worse people in the world. I think jealously creeps into the equation at that point as well. As for the racism issue....I dunno. It's cloudy, I'd still find it hard to believe he is a racist considering the black team mates and friends he's had throughout his career.

It does show the effect the media has on public perception though. Funny how no paper has ran this story.

[Brainy]

he sounds like a stalker aswell as a racist.

may aswell add **joke** before the JT brigade (which im kinda part of) get involved.

[Darkon84]

I still don't think it's even as extreme as that. The guy's cheated on his wife so he's a bit of a dick. Whatever, there's plenty of worse people in the world. I think jealously creeps into the equation at that point as well. As for the racism issue....I dunno. It's cloudy, I'd still find it hard to believe he is a racist considering the black team mates and friends he's had throughout his career.

It does show the effect the media has on public perception though. Funny how no paper has ran this story.

That article does shed a bit more light on the background stuff you don't often hear, but I still don't particularly like the chatp .

As for the highlighted bit....as mentioned before, he has also played his entire career around players with wives and girlfriends, and we all know the rest of that story