Thracian Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 For all the wonderful off-field backing given to every aspect of our club's improvement the latest "owner" interviews don't convince me that they have the faintest idea when it comes to on-field football matters. Clearly they are being seen to go through due process with the "consideration" of applicants but if there really has been nothing decided with MON beforehand - or anyone else as a "first refusal" alternative then the dismissal of Sven strikes me as reactionary. It really would have been quite easy to right the wrongs of Sven's management - even without parting company - if Sven and the owners had been prepared to listen but there's nothing new in people taking their own wrong route and paying the price. Indeed our managers and owners have not listened to the fans' criticism for as far back as I care to remember and most of the consequences have been easily predicted. Now, as usual, we are considering Uncle Tom Cobleigh and all as our new manager while still haing no idea what managerial philosophy the owners want to adopt...other than winning whatever. But what's needed at Leicester is what's been needed here for ages ages... an always positive manager and a coach with imagination, knowledge and attitude. People who, together, can be truly inspiring. The manager needs to be a guy who recognises a proper footballer and can put a team of them together in a thoroughly balanced way and can persuade them to completely believe in themselves and each other to produce something consistently special. The coach needs to be a man who can look at a performance - individually and collectively - and know immediately where improvement can be made and exactly how to make those improvements. Sadly such coaches seem to be an endangered species. At least Leicester can't seem to find any. I even wonder if there's anyone at our club qualified to assess the appllcants' credentials. And it's no good just looking at lists of achievements. I probably lost fewer games in 10 years of management in two sports than Sven lost in his 12 months or so at Leicester, proving starkly that paper facts can be so deceiving. Because what matters in a manager or coach is his weaknesses as well as his strengths...and his desire for success. And I can't see many weaknesses at all with Ole Gunnar Solksjaer - while his desire for success in his new managerial career must be soaring. As a player and as an off-field personality, the bloke was and is a winner. Just read his internet "CV". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ole_Gunnar_Solskj%C3%A6r
Guest Col city fan Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 You speak a bucket-load of crap. Don't hold back now will ya Al! I agree with you.. Thrac usually talks sense but OGS ain't what we need
ealingfox Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 Now, as usual, we are considering Uncle Tom Cobleigh Who's he managed? Any Championship experience?
Guest MattP Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 A few months in the Norweigen league doesn't qualify you for this job.
21st Century Fox Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 I didn't read it but I going to stick my neck out and guess that 'winner', 'winning mentality', 'attack' and 'Barcelona' probably cropped up a few times in there.
Schlupp Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 Didn't Ole turn around a relegation team to one of the favourites to win the league?
AdamN Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 I swear Thracian has the highest "words:points got across" ratio I've ever seen.
Benji Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 Regardless of how he might or might not do, he's lining up bigger and better things at the minute. Would be interesting if we made an approach though.
Libertine Dream Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 I'd go for him, people need to have a broader view than MON, Lee Clark, Mark Hughes and Billy Davies. All 4 linked with every single job that comes up and only 2 of them are worth taking.
Al-aLondon-Foxile Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 I'd go for him, people need to have a broader view than MON, Lee Clark, Mark Hughes and Billy Davies. All 4 linked with every single job that comes up and only 2 of them are worth taking. It's one thing having a broader view but a totally different thing gambling your investment with someone who has had very little relevant experience. Most of us would love to have a young, vibrant manager like MON was, and certainly OGS could fit the mould(e) (see what I did there?) BUT, it would be a huge gamble, and very unlikely to be taken IMO.
BrummieFOX Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 I'd argue that it was much more professional and honest of Top (or whoever made the final decision) to sack Sven, despite not having someone lined up. Once they had that decision in their head it's unfair to drag it out whilst you are tapping up and approaching other managers (a la Mandy). It's not as if we can't function as a club without manager. We have competent people in place until we find the right man and I'd like to see them get the right man, even if it takes a while.
cornish fox Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 One of the problems with listening to the fans' opinions is that there are so many of them - and they are mostly wildly different. I agree with your attacking/winning mentality philosophy but one only has to look through this forum (or even this thread) to see the wide range of opinion. So which opinion should be listened to? Personally I'm absolutely gutted we've sacked SGE but this isn't the thread to go into detail on that as it's been done to death elsewhere. Again, personally, I'm actually quite excited by the thought of OGS but I suppose that's largely because most of the rest of the names being mentioned aren't particularly inspiring to me. Something about OGS - and I suppose you could call it "winning mentality" - makes me think he'd be a good choice. I dare say we'll have to wait and see. I also suspect that the managerial appointment will come way out of left field and be someone that hasn't even been mentioned here. Two final points, I for one appreciate your lengthy posts Thracian. I don't always agree - in fact I very often don't agree with at least part of what you say - but I and others appreciate the time you take to set out your thoughts. I dislike a lot of the negativity and insulting posts that are on here so much now, I for one hope you're not put off posting. Lastly, I know that every fan has a different opinion on how we should play, who should start etc. I think it's a fairly reasonable bet though that pretty much any manager in professional football is better at managing a football team than anyone on this forum*. Given that, we should at least allow for the fact that our manager (whoever that is at the time) is trying their very best and is unlikely to be clueless as to how to manage a football club. *Unless there are posters here that actually are managers in the Football League - and if there are please PM me some secret information so I can tweet it and be ITK Up the foxes!
Guest Col city fan Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 I didn't read it but I going to stick my neck out and guess that 'winner', 'winning mentality', 'attack' and 'Barcelona' probably cropped up a few times in there. Hehe
He's not bald Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 For all the wonderful off-field backing given to every aspect of our club's improvement the latest "owner" interviews don't convince me that they have the faintest idea when it comes to on-field football matters. Clearly they are being seen to go through due process with the "consideration" of applicants but if there really has been nothing decided with MON beforehand - or anyone else as a "first refusal" alternative then the dismissal of Sven strikes me as reactionary. It really would have been quite easy to right the wrongs of Sven's management - even without parting company - if Sven and the owners had been prepared to listen but there's nothing new in people taking their own wrong route and paying the price. Indeed our managers and owners have not listened to the fans' criticism for as far back as I care to remember and most of the consequences have been easily predicted. Now, as usual, we are considering Uncle Tom Cobleigh and all as our new manager while still haing no idea what managerial philosophy the owners want to adopt...other than winning whatever. But what's needed at Leicester is what's been needed here for ages ages... an always positive manager and a coach with imagination, knowledge and attitude. People who, together, can be truly inspiring. The manager needs to be a guy who recognises a proper footballer and can put a team of them together in a thoroughly balanced way and can persuade them to completely believe in themselves and each other to produce something consistently special. The coach needs to be a man who can look at a performance - individually and collectively - and know immediately where improvement can be made and exactly how to make those improvements. Sadly such coaches seem to be an endangered species. At least Leicester can't seem to find any. I even wonder if there's anyone at our club qualified to assess the appllcants' credentials. And it's no good just looking at lists of achievements. I probably lost fewer games in 10 years of management in two sports than Sven lost in his 12 months or so at Leicester, proving starkly that paper facts can be so deceiving. Because what matters in a manager or coach is his weaknesses as well as his strengths...and his desire for success. And I can't see many weaknesses at all with Ole Gunnar Solksjaer - while his desire for success in his new managerial career must be soaring. As a player and as an off-field personality, the bloke was and is a winner. Just read his internet "CV". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ole_Gunnar_Solskj%C3%A6r OK go on then give us 26 reasons why he should be our next manager O yeah and 26 reasons why all the clubs in the Prem, Champ, and Leagues 1 & 2 aren't waiting in line for him!
jonthefox Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 One of the problems with listening to the fans' opinions is that there are so many of them - and they are mostly wildly different. I agree with your attacking/winning mentality philosophy but one only has to look through this forum (or even this thread) to see the wide range of opinion. So which opinion should be listened to? Personally I'm absolutely gutted we've sacked SGE but this isn't the thread to go into detail on that as it's been done to death elsewhere. Again, personally, I'm actually quite excited by the thought of OGS but I suppose that's largely because most of the rest of the names being mentioned aren't particularly inspiring to me. Something about OGS - and I suppose you could call it "winning mentality" - makes me think he'd be a good choice. I dare say we'll have to wait and see. I also suspect that the managerial appointment will come way out of left field and be someone that hasn't even been mentioned here. Two final points, I for one appreciate your lengthy posts Thracian. I don't always agree - in fact I very often don't agree with at least part of what you say - but I and others appreciate the time you take to set out your thoughts. I dislike a lot of the negativity and insulting posts that are on here so much now, I for one hope you're not put off posting.Lastly, I know that every fan has a different opinion on how we should play, who should start etc. I think it's a fairly reasonable bet though that pretty much any manager in professional football is better at managing a football team than anyone on this forum*. Given that, we should at least allow for the fact that our manager (whoever that is at the time) is trying their very best and is unlikely to be clueless as to how to manage a football club. *Unless there are posters here that actually are managers in the Football League - and if there are please PM me some secret information so I can tweet it and be ITK Up the foxes! He's currently on 27k posts, so i doubt it.
Ozwin Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 thracian, you need to chill. and learn to understand posts don't require a minimum word count.
mbmb10 Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 Didn't Ole turn around a relegation team to one of the favourites to win the league? Oh didn't Sven do that with leicester aswell ,oh wait he did!
somebum Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 Oh didn't Sven do that with leicester aswell ,oh wait he did! We were only 'favourites' to go up because of the money he spent pre-season. Wise up
He's not bald Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 One of the problems with listening to the fans' opinions is that there are so many of them - and they are mostly wildly different. I agree with your attacking/winning mentality philosophy but one only has to look through this forum (or even this thread) to see the wide range of opinion. So which opinion should be listened to? Personally I'm absolutely gutted we've sacked SGE but this isn't the thread to go into detail on that as it's been done to death elsewhere. Again, personally, I'm actually quite excited by the thought of OGS but I suppose that's largely because most of the rest of the names being mentioned aren't particularly inspiring to me. Something about OGS - and I suppose you could call it "winning mentality" - makes me think he'd be a good choice. I dare say we'll have to wait and see. I also suspect that the managerial appointment will come way out of left field and be someone that hasn't even been mentioned here. Two final points, I for one appreciate your lengthy posts Thracian. I don't always agree - in fact I very often don't agree with at least part of what you say - but I and others appreciate the time you take to set out your thoughts. I dislike a lot of the negativity and insulting posts that are on here so much now, I for one hope you're not put off posting. Lastly, I know that every fan has a different opinion on how we should play, who should start etc. I think it's a fairly reasonable bet though that pretty much any manager in professional football is better at managing a football team than anyone on this forum*. Given that, we should at least allow for the fact that our manager (whoever that is at the time) is trying their very best and is unlikely to be clueless as to how to manage a football club. *Unless there are posters here that actually are managers in the Football League - and if there are please PM me some secret information so I can tweet it and be ITK Up the foxes! Chuffin eck...and I thought Thracian could ramble...think you have your soul mate...god help us all!!
mbmb10 Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 But did he or did he not take us from relegation to likely play-off contenders last season? So surely he is better than OGS since Sven has a great amount of experience and can attract players..
Nick Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 <br />For all the wonderful off-field backing given to every aspect of our club's improvement the latest "owner" interviews don't convince me that they have the faintest idea when it comes to on-field football matters.<br /><br />Clearly they are being seen to go through due process with the "consideration" of applicants but if there really has been nothing decided with MON beforehand - or anyone else as a "first refusal" alternative then the dismissal of Sven strikes me as reactionary.<br /><br />It really would have been quite easy to right the wrongs of Sven's management - even without parting company - if Sven and the owners had been prepared to listen but there's nothing new in people taking their own wrong route and paying the price. Indeed our managers and owners have not listened to the fans' criticism for as far back as I care to remember and most of the consequences have been easily predicted.<br /><br />Now, as usual, we are considering Uncle Tom Cobleigh and all as our new manager while still haing no idea what managerial philosophy the owners want to adopt...other than winning whatever.<br /><br />But what's needed at Leicester is what's been needed here for ages ages... an always positive manager and a coach with imagination, knowledge and attitude. People who, together, can be truly inspiring. <br /> <br />The manager needs to be a guy who recognises a proper footballer and can put a team of them together in a thoroughly balanced way and can persuade them to completely believe in themselves and each other to produce something consistently special.<br /><br />The coach needs to be a man who can look at a performance - individually and collectively - and know immediately where improvement can be made and exactly how to make those improvements. Sadly such coaches seem to be an endangered species. At least Leicester can't seem to find any. <br /><br />I even wonder if there's anyone at our club qualified to assess the appllcants' credentials. And it's no good just looking at lists of achievements. I probably lost fewer games in 10 years of management in two sports than Sven lost in his 12 months or so at Leicester, proving starkly that paper facts can be so deceiving. <br /><br />Because what matters in a manager or coach is his weaknesses as well as his strengths...and his desire for success.<br /><br />And I can't see many weaknesses at all with Ole Gunnar Solksjaer - while his desire for success in his new managerial career must be soaring. <br /><br />As a player and as an off-field personality, the bloke was and is a winner. Just read his internet "CV".<br /><br /><a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ole_Gunnar_Solskj%C3%A6r' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'>http://en.wikipedia....r_Solskj%C3%A6r</a><br /><br /><br /><br />
Nick Posted 27 October 2011 Posted 27 October 2011 Thrac. What actually do you really know about this man as a football manager?
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