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Well let's see.

The sacking was obviously a spur of the moment decision with no pro active thought about a replacement.

Obviously :whistle: It must have been spur of the moment because they didn't have a protracted media saga about will he stay or go and numerous meaningless votes of confidence. You are probably right they have invested millions into this company they obviously aren't going to think about big decisions.

Then we get an announcement saying there will be no more news until we find a Manager.

Next we get a fortnight of complete silence from the club while fans and the media scratch around for tit bits.

The bookies end up having more favourites than Imelda Marcos in Jimmy Choo's warehouse.

Then we start getting horrific rumours about candidates in the running that would be nothing short of a disaster while it seems those who would do an OK job get fed up and rule themselves out.

In the meantime we are about to go into our 3rd rudderless game an whilst the mid week result was a decent one the clock is ticking and everyone, players included, is left in the dark and unsure of the future.

To top it all we all get so desperate that we are hanging on the every word of a bloke lurking in the King Power car park with a 20 deck of Bensons and his heater on full blast peering through the gloom at a Range Rover for any faint clue of what the **** is going on.

Not a farce??

Again no media circus, no leaks, no official statements, I think you are confusing how other clubs run their business and decisions through the media with best practice. As much as it is frustrating they are not saying anything until it is official which is how it should be.

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Obviously :whistle: It must have been spur of the moment because they didn't have a protracted media saga about will he stay or go and numerous meaningless votes of confidence. You are probably right they have invested millions into this company they obviously aren't going to think about big decisions.

Again no media circus, no leaks, no official statements, I think you are confusing how other clubs run their business and decisions through the media with best practice. As much as it is frustrating they are not saying anything until it is official which is how it should be.

Agree entirely - they have been very professional in the way they have gone about things ie go through a proper and comprehensive interview process - why should they say anything ?

The staff are all on total shutdown regarding rumours to the extent that if you blab you go out the door

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Obviously :whistle: It must have been spur of the moment because they didn't have a protracted media saga about will he stay or go and numerous meaningless votes of confidence. You are probably right they have invested millions into this company they obviously aren't going to think about big decisions.

Again no media circus, no leaks, no official statements, I think you are confusing how other clubs run their business and decisions through the media with best practice. As much as it is frustrating they are not saying anything until it is official which is how it should be.

1/ Neither you, I or any of us have any clue where the money has come from. They may have borrowed every penny against the club and invested very little of their own cash.

2/ Us the fans are supposed to be the most important part of the club, 'It's our Club' we keep being told. But we seem in the dark over almost everything in reality.

3/ Our owners are in a very big rush to get to the Premier League but somehow this decision seems to be a no rush one. Seems odd to me.

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There hasn't been enough hints to suggest anything will be finalised today.

Next week I reckon will be the official announcement.

Posted

Its going to be announced at half time on Sunday -

Birch - "and the winner of the trip to Thailand is sitting in the main stand close to the directors box ...... Block A.......Row D...........Seat (big pause) ........................23

Martin where are you/? Is he in the concourse? On no he's over there with Top signing a contract......."

Got to go - Rihanna wants me to get back into bed.

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1/ Neither you, I or any of us have any clue where the money has come from. They may have borrowed every penny against the club and invested very little of their own cash.

2/ Us the fans are supposed to be the most important part of the club, 'It's our Club' we keep being told. But we seem in the dark over almost everything in reality.

3/ Our owners are in a very big rush to get to the Premier League but somehow this decision seems to be a no rush one. Seems odd to me.

1/ It may not hav ecome out of their pocket but the point is this is big business involving millions of pounds they are not going to make decisions lightly (also may be why they are taking their time)

2/ What more do you want to know from them? They are not going to release a list of the people they have interviewed and rejected and why they rejected them or who they have offered the job to and why they got turned down, that is just unprofessional and will undermine anyone who gets the job. Yes because of this there has been a lot of specualtion but none of this has been fuelled by the owners, it has been an invention of the fans and the media.

3/ You don't know how hard they are working to get the right man in for the job, better to get the right man than the appoint someone in haste to satisfy the fans.

I may be wrong, maybe they are all just too busy playing Fifa 12 and have forgotten about the manager's post, but I doubt it some how. Any appointment now will be too late to have any impact on Sunday so let Stowell and co keep the focus on Leeds until there is something to report.

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1/ It may not hav ecome out of their pocket but the point is this is big business involving millions of pounds they are not going to make decisions lightly (also may be why they are taking their time)

2/ What more do you want to know from them? They are not going to release a list of the people they have interviewed and rejected and why they rejected them or who they have offered the job to and why they got turned down, that is just unprofessional and will undermine anyone who gets the job. Yes because of this there has been a lot of specualtion but none of this has been fuelled by the owners, it has been an invention of the fans and the media.

3/ You don't know how hard they are working to get the right man in for the job, better to get the right man than the appoint someone in haste to satisfy the fans.

I may be wrong, maybe they are all just too busy playing Fifa 12 and have forgotten about the manager's post, but I doubt it some how. Any appointment now will be too late to have any impact on Sunday so let Stowell and co keep the focus on Leeds until there is something to report.

This, spot on. Really don't know what people expect.

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1/ Neither you, I or any of us have any clue where the money has come from. They may have borrowed every penny against the club and invested very little of their own cash.

2/ Us the fans are supposed to be the most important part of the club, 'It's our Club' we keep being told. But we seem in the dark over almost everything in reality.

3/ Our owners are in a very big rush to get to the Premier League but somehow this decision seems to be a no rush one. Seems odd to me.

More clap-trap !!

Posted

People may know someone who works at city or is connected to city but it doesn't mean they are anymore in the know.

The people who go around saying they are in the know at any workplace, normally aren't, jus' saying...

Posted

Well let's see.

The sacking was obviously a spur of the moment decision with no pro active thought about a replacement.

Then we get an announcement saying there will be no more news until we find a Manager.

Next we get a fortnight of complete silence from the club while fans and the media scratch around for tit bits.

The bookies end up having more favourites than Imelda Marcos in Jimmy Choo's warehouse.

Then we start getting horrific rumours about candidates in the running that would be nothing short of a disaster while it seems those who would do an OK job get fed up and rule themselves out.

In the meantime we are about to go into our 3rd rudderless game an whilst the mid week result was a decent one the clock is ticking and everyone, players included, is left in the dark and unsure of the future.

To top it all we all get so desperate that we are hanging on the every word of a bloke lurking in the King Power car park with a 20 deck of Bensons and his heater on full blast peering through the gloom at a Range Rover for any faint clue of what the **** is going on.

Not a farce??

Sacking spur of the moment? He could have gone at the end of last season, as the aim of the January splurge was obviously promotion, instead they stuck with him, heavily backed him, more so than any other manager in our history & he delivered mid-table football with plenty of evidence even that sub-standard performance was on the slide

No more news until we find a manager? Correct, the club have nothing to say until someone is appointed, they're hardly going to indulge in idle gossip are they

Fans & media scratching around for tit bits (tidbits?) So! the club is working to appoint someone, the media has copies of newspapers to shift and websites to get hits on, they're going to specualte & even print outright nonsense

Bookies have loads of favourites - So, that's a reflection of betting patterns, they also need to drum up business & rapidly changing odds does that

Horrific rumours - So, none of these come from the club, it's either people out of work putting themselves in the frame or just the media speculating. Keane is Irish, big Irish money has gone on him driving his odds down - it doesn't mean the club has any interest in him or anyone else whatsoever

3rd rudderless game - Hardly, the players have never looked so much "in it together" right back to the playoff defeat

After Sunday's game we have 2 weeks to the next game, if someone is not appointed during the 1st couple of days of that time then I think it will be a missed opportunity & if a week passes by I'll agree with you, but until then chill out, the farce is all of your own making and people who hang around forums trying to scrape a bit of news off a hivemind that knows nothing

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Sacking spur of the moment? He could have gone at the end of last season, as the aim of the January splurge was obviously promotion, instead they stuck with him, heavily backed him, more so than any other manager in our history & he delivered mid-table football with plenty of evidence even that sub-standard performance was on the slide

No more news until we find a manager? Correct, the club have nothing to say until someone is appointed, they're hardly going to indulge in idle gossip are they

Fans & media scratching around for tit bits (tidbits?) So! the club is working to appoint someone, the media has copies of newspapers to shift and websites to get hits on, they're going to specualte & even print outright nonsense

Bookies have loads of favourites - So, that's a reflection of betting patterns, they also need to drum up business & rapidly changing odds does that

Horrific rumours - So, none of these come from the club, it's either people out of work putting themselves in the frame or just the media speculating. Keane is Irish, big Irish money has gone on him driving his odds down - it doesn't mean the club has any interest in him or anyone else whatsoever

3rd rudderless game - Hardly, the players have never looked so much "in it together" right back to the playoff defeat

After Sunday's game we have 2 weeks to the next game, if someone is not appointed during the 1st couple of days of that time then I think it will be a missed opportunity & if a week passes by I'll agree with you, but until then chill out, the farce is all of your own making and people who hang around forums trying to scrape a bit of news off a hivemind that knows nothing

100% agree

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Sacking spur of the moment? He could have gone at the end of last season, as the aim of the January splurge was obviously promotion, instead they stuck with him, heavily backed him, more so than any other manager in our history & he delivered mid-table football with plenty of evidence even that sub-standard performance was on the slide

No more news until we find a manager? Correct, the club have nothing to say until someone is appointed, they're hardly going to indulge in idle gossip are they

Fans & media scratching around for tit bits (tidbits?) So! the club is working to appoint someone, the media has copies of newspapers to shift and websites to get hits on, they're going to specualte & even print outright nonsense

Bookies have loads of favourites - So, that's a reflection of betting patterns, they also need to drum up business & rapidly changing odds does that

Horrific rumours - So, none of these come from the club, it's either people out of work putting themselves in the frame or just the media speculating. Keane is Irish, big Irish money has gone on him driving his odds down - it doesn't mean the club has any interest in him or anyone else whatsoever

3rd rudderless game - Hardly, the players have never looked so much "in it together" right back to the playoff defeat

After Sunday's game we have 2 weeks to the next game, if someone is not appointed during the 1st couple of days of that time then I think it will be a missed opportunity & if a week passes by I'll agree with you, but until then chill out, the farce is all of your own making and people who hang around forums trying to scrape a bit of news off a hivemind that knows nothing

I disagree.

There has been a lot of talk today about Sir Alex Ferguson as he is in the United job 25 years this weekend.

As part of that Sky interviewed Martin Edwards, the Chairman of United when Ferguson was employed. He made the point that at that crucial moment to sack Ron Atkinson without first having a meeting with Ferguson in a motorway service station somewhere in Southern Scotland to ensure he was up for the job would have been madness.

His comment rang home as highly relevant to our situation, out owners appear to have sacked their most important management employee with no plan for what happens from there on.

At the time of Sven's sacking it was widely accepted by most media both local and national that the owners must have a person lined up or sounded out but that was not the case to many people's surprise including myself.

What I have learnt from this past 2 weeks is we have a 26 year old running our club who is Green to the football business, now that would not be an issue had the owners employed a CEO who was well clued up in the way football works, but they employed someone from their own retail business also with no football experience.

I'd never really thought about that and considered it a problem until it became obvious after sacking Sven they had absolutely no idea where they were going from there.

OK as a fan it's frustrating but imagine the players, how they are thinking, reacting, the talk around the camp. It cant be healthy.

Maybe a more experienced football campaigner would have kept Sven as a 'Dead man walking' for another week or two while they sounded out their targets unofficially.

Either way it's not a productive situation and in such a vital season where so much has been staked on promotion.

In addition you also wonder how those candidates are now feeling that ave applied but now know that others have been interviewed without an appointment having been made. Are they second third or tenth choice? Or are others turning the job down because it's appears to be a poison chalice?

Does anyone know what the **** is going on?

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I disagree.

There has been a lot of talk today about Sir Alex Ferguson as he is in the United job 25 years this weekend.

As part of that Sky interviewed Martin Edwards, the Chairman of United when Ferguson was employed. He made the point that at that crucial moment to sack Ron Atkinson without first having a meeting with Ferguson in a motorway service station somewhere in Southern Scotland to ensure he was up for the job would have been madness.

His comment rang home as highly relevant to our situation, out owners appear to have sacked their most important management employee with no plan for what happens from there on.

At the time of Sven's sacking it was widely accepted by most media both local and national that the owners must have a person lined up or sounded out but that was not the case to many people's surprise including myself.

What I have learnt from this past 2 weeks is we have a 26 year old running our club who is Green to the football business, now that would not be an issue had the owners employed a CEO who was well clued up in the way football works, but they employed someone from their own retail business also with no football experience.

I'd never really thought about that and considered it a problem until it became obvious after sacking Sven they had absolutely no idea where they were going from there.

OK as a fan it's frustrating but imagine the players, how they are thinking, reacting, the talk around the camp. It cant be healthy.

Maybe a more experienced football campaigner would have kept Sven as a 'Dead man walking' for another week or two while they sounded out their targets unofficially.

Either way it's not a productive situation and in such a vital season where so much has been staked on promotion.

In addition you also wonder how those candidates are now feeling that ave applied but now know that others have been interviewed without an appointment having been made. Are they second third or tenth choice? Or are others turning the job down because it's appears to be a poison chalice?

Does anyone know what the **** is going on?

Again you seem to think that what other clubs do is right. Was it right for Mandy to have lined up Sousa while Pearson was still in the job? Is it right to be touting the job around while the manager is still in charge, rumours spreading left right and centre that he is going to be sacked as the press get wind of it? Is it right to have a "dead man walking" manager who has lost the dressing room and is just making a bad situation worse? In my opinion no to all of them.

Maybe the only reason they did it was to appeal to MON's sense of decency and openness, after what happened with West Ham where MON was supposed to take over but turned it down after the way it was spread all through the papers, they are keeping very tight lipped on the matter and rightly so. Maybe they are doing it because they don't believe that the clubs business should be dragged through the press and don't believe it is honourable to tout a man's job behind their back. Maybe they are completely ****wits and don't know what they are doing, but so far they have seemed pretty astute.

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Again you seem to think that what other clubs do is right. Was it right for Mandy to have lined up Sousa while Pearson was still in the job? Is it right to be touting the job around while the manager is still in charge, rumours spreading left right and centre that he is going to be sacked as the press get wind of it? Is it right to have a "dead man walking" manager who has lost the dressing room and is just making a bad situation worse? In my opinion no to all of them.

Maybe the only reason they did it was to appeal to MON's sense of decency and openness, after what happened with West Ham where MON was supposed to take over but turned it down after the way it was spread all through the papers, they are keeping very tight lipped on the matter and rightly so. Maybe they are doing it because they don't believe that the clubs business should be dragged through the press and don't believe it is honourable to tout a man's job behind their back. Maybe they are completely ****wits and don't know what they are doing, but so far they have seemed pretty astute.

Right or wrong it's the way football clubs operate, and I think that's accepted amongst those who would call themselves a football manager.

Will being honourable get us promoted? Sadly not.

I hope you are right mate and this whole saga leads us to the appointment of someone of high regard in the very near future.

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Again you seem to think that what other clubs do is right. Was it right for Mandy to have lined up Sousa while Pearson was still in the job? Is it right to be touting the job around while the manager is still in charge, rumours spreading left right and centre that he is going to be sacked as the press get wind of it? Is it right to have a "dead man walking" manager who has lost the dressing room and is just making a bad situation worse? In my opinion no to all of them.

Maybe the only reason they did it was to appeal to MON's sense of decency and openness, after what happened with West Ham where MON was supposed to take over but turned it down after the way it was spread all through the papers, they are keeping very tight lipped on the matter and rightly so. Maybe they are doing it because they don't believe that the clubs business should be dragged through the press and don't believe it is honourable to tout a man's job behind their back. Maybe they are completely ****wits and don't know what they are doing, but so far they have seemed pretty astute.

I am going for the complete ****wits. Clueless and dangerous.

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Again you seem to think that what other clubs do is right. Was it right for Mandy to have lined up Sousa while Pearson was still in the job? Is it right to be touting the job around while the manager is still in charge, rumours spreading left right and centre that he is going to be sacked as the press get wind of it? Is it right to have a "dead man walking" manager who has lost the dressing room and is just making a bad situation worse? In my opinion no to all of them.

Maybe the only reason they did it was to appeal to MON's sense of decency and openness, after what happened with West Ham where MON was supposed to take over but turned it down after the way it was spread all through the papers, they are keeping very tight lipped on the matter and rightly so. Maybe they are doing it because they don't believe that the clubs business should be dragged through the press and don't believe it is honourable to tout a man's job behind their back. Maybe they are completely ****wits and don't know what they are doing, but so far they have seemed pretty astute.

Astute in what way? :dunno: All they've done so far is pump millions in, let Sven spend it and still the team aren't anywhere near the position in the League they should be. Plus they employed Sven when just a cursory glance at his recent record at club/international level should surely have rung alarm bells?

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