Guest ttfn Posted 5 November 2011 Posted 5 November 2011 You really are a fucking retard. Not just about this, the need to say this to you has been building all season. I've got no idea where you've come from but you are quite possibly the most blinkered, selectively-negative, consistently stupid poster on here. I mean the Father Teds of this world have an excuse, they're just silly children. You strike me as someone with two braincells to rub together but when it comes to football? Fuck me, you talk some complete and total bollocks, mate. The entire bloody team has been having "a negative effect on results" - we've been poor. We've struggled to create chances for our forwards (of which Beckford is one,) we've lacked width, we've lacked urgency in our attack, we've lacked penetration from the midfield and we've never, ever looked like being able to break down a side who park the bus. These things aren't uniquely Beckford's fault - in fact, he's a victim of most of them. Whilst some of them were Sven's I wouldn't even say they were entirely his doing, either, though you harped on about him like he was bleedin' Beelzebub from day one. You can't just throw ten or twelve new players together and expect them to operate immediately, needing time to gel isn't some silly cliché it's just obvious human psychology - it's observed at every level of every sport, from Sunday league right up to Manchester City and their slow, slow progress despite millions. Look how long Dzeko took to bed; or years before that, Didier Drogba at Chelsea. We've bought ourselves a fantastic squad but it's a little less Playmobil and a bit more AirFix (yeah, Thracian, I can make ridiculous analogies, too) - it's going to take time and care and experience to build a winning side from the resources we have - and it's going to take support from the stands. Not miserable, bitchy, whining little gobshites crying after a few months and desperately looking for scapegoats and hate-figures because we aren't flying top of the league. (Damnit, and I'd been doing so well not arguing with people on here. ) All your points are valid to an extent, but it still doesn't explain why we are scoring goals 3 times as frequently without Beckford than with him. The Drogba and Dzeko comparisons are also complete nonsense - each of those players was coming from a completely different country. Beckford probably hasn't moved house to be here (not a criticism, more an observation). I'm not fussed about us being top of the league. It'd be nice, sure, and with the players we have here it oughtn't be a million miles away. But the very least that we should demand of players is effort, shit service or not. It doesn't help that I've never rated Beckford anyway, so I probably came into this with a closed mind. But there's no way that, on present form, he should be anywhere near the first XI. Not only is Steve Howard showing a lot more desire to be in the team and play for the club, he is having a positive impact on the team. Beckford is not. Maybe he'll come good in time, but people pay their money and are entitled to call him out, because so far Beckford has been utterly terrible in a City shirt.
stoatish Posted 5 November 2011 Posted 5 November 2011 This whole subject drives me mad, we give someone 7 games and completely judge them! Yes he should be dropped to the bench, yes his attitude stinks but I hate the excuse of eyes at the city fans at West Ham. The only reason he gave "questioning eyes" is because the majority of fans had been on his back all game and then booed him as he left the field! 7 bloody games!! We all know the championship is one of the hardest leagues out there, yet someone who has never played in this league before is expected to hit the ground running?? Give the guy a break and when he does earn his place back in the team lets do what supporters should do and support him rather than get on his back straight away!! If you boo anyone in a lcfc shirt you should be ashamed of yourself
21st Century Fox Posted 5 November 2011 Posted 5 November 2011 Beckford has had piss poor service, I'm not surprised his motivation and attitude stinks, if we could work the ball into his feet properly instead of launching it up for him as if he were Howard he might actually produce the goods, he's obviously capable of. If NP were to come back I can't see this happening and I imagine we'd have DJ Mk II on our hands.
accessory Posted 5 November 2011 Posted 5 November 2011 This whole subject drives me mad, we give someone 7 games and completely judge them! Yes he should be dropped to the bench, yes his attitude stinks but I hate the excuse of eyes at the city fans at West Ham. The only reason he gave "questioning eyes" is because the majority of fans had been on his back all game and then booed him as he left the field! 7 bloody games!! We all know the championship is one of the hardest leagues out there, yet someone who has never played in this league before is expected to hit the ground running?? Give the guy a break and when he does earn his place back in the team lets do what supporters should do and support him rather than get on his back straight away!! If you boo anyone in a lcfc shirt you should be ashamed of yourself Beckford played 10 games in the Championship for Leeds. He didn't score once during that time - wonder why? It's clear that he was a panic buy on the last day of the transfer window. Everton were desperate for the money and Sven was desperate for the marquee signing we and the owners craved. However no thought was given as to how he would integrate with the rest of the squad, or fit into the style of play that Sven wanted to adopt. Maybe when the new manager comes in, Beckford will realise what it takes to force his way back into the side. At the moment he's below Jeff Schlupp in the pecking order of strikers, and while he's undoubtedly on a good salary, I'd hope that he'd have enough professional pride to want to demonstrate his undoubted talent to the new managerial regime. It's a two-way process. If he wants to put the effort in (something that was questionable during his last two appearances), the fans will back him.
jamieleeds Posted 5 November 2011 Posted 5 November 2011 :frusty:beckford is one of your players u need to give him a chance
Kitchandro Posted 5 November 2011 Posted 5 November 2011 You really are a fucking retard. Not just about this, the need to say this to you has been building all season. I've got no idea where you've come from but you are quite possibly the most blinkered, selectively-negative, consistently stupid poster on here. I mean the Father Teds of this world have an excuse, they're just silly children. You strike me as someone with two braincells to rub together but when it comes to football? Fuck me, you talk some complete and total bollocks, mate. The entire bloody team has been having "a negative effect on results" - we've been poor. We've struggled to create chances for our forwards (of which Beckford is one,) we've lacked width, we've lacked urgency in our attack, we've lacked penetration from the midfield and we've never, ever looked like being able to break down a side who park the bus. These things aren't uniquely Beckford's fault - in fact, he's a victim of most of them. Whilst some of them were Sven's I wouldn't even say they were entirely his doing, either, though you harped on about him like he was bleedin' Beelzebub from day one. You can't just throw ten or twelve new players together and expect them to operate immediately, needing time to gel isn't some silly cliché it's just obvious human psychology - it's observed at every level of every sport, from Sunday league right up to Manchester City and their slow, slow progress despite millions. Look how long Dzeko took to bed; or years before that, Didier Drogba at Chelsea. We've bought ourselves a fantastic squad but it's a little less Playmobil and a bit more AirFix (yeah, Thracian, I can make ridiculous analogies, too) - it's going to take time and care and experience to build a winning side from the resources we have - and it's going to take support from the stands. Not miserable, bitchy, whining little gobshites crying after a few months and desperately looking for scapegoats and hate-figures because we aren't flying top of the league. (Damnit, and I'd been doing so well not arguing with people on here. ) You say this about most people you disagree with. You really are just a tosser, just a tosser that other tossers agree with. He is not talking total bollocks at all, he is not a retard as far as I know either. He has made a valid point that you disagree with. Beckford IS, whether you like it or not, having a negative effect on results. He's not the only one playing badly, he isn't suggesting that. But his lack of effort and total incompetence on a football pitch is bad for the team. Who says he's making a scapegoat? You've made that up yourself. Beckford is merely standing out as a lazy poorly performing player. I don't care how you try and rationalise it, whether he's had poor service or not, the guy has been an utter disgrace and I haven't seen one OTT bit of criticism on this thread. If he wasn't the big name that he is and wasn't on a 4 year contract nobody would be complaining if he was got rid of tomorrow, like Bednar or some of the terrible short term loans/free transfers we've had in the last 10 years. In fact If this was Howard performing in the same fashion as him, you'd be slating him worse than anyone has on here. As it is, Beckford's lucky that he's already shown something in his career, that gives him time to prove that he's still the same player. Talking of calling people retards, for someone who is offended by the Yuki Abe dog chant, you seem a lot less sensitive about that term.
crisp packet Posted 5 November 2011 Posted 5 November 2011 You really are a fucking retard. Not just about this, the need to say this to you has been building all season. I've got no idea where you've come from but you are quite possibly the most blinkered, selectively-negative, consistently stupid poster on here. I mean the Father Teds of this world have an excuse, they're just silly children. You strike me as someone with two braincells to rub together but when it comes to football? Fuck me, you talk some complete and total bollocks, mate. The entire bloody team has been having "a negative effect on results" - we've been poor. We've struggled to create chances for our forwards (of which Beckford is one,) we've lacked width, we've lacked urgency in our attack, we've lacked penetration from the midfield and we've never, ever looked like being able to break down a side who park the bus. These things aren't uniquely Beckford's fault - in fact, he's a victim of most of them. Whilst some of them were Sven's I wouldn't even say they were entirely his doing, either, though you harped on about him like he was bleedin' Beelzebub from day one. You can't just throw ten or twelve new players together and expect them to operate immediately, needing time to gel isn't some silly cliché it's just obvious human psychology - it's observed at every level of every sport, from Sunday league right up to Manchester City and their slow, slow progress despite millions. Look how long Dzeko took to bed; or years before that, Didier Drogba at Chelsea. We've bought ourselves a fantastic squad but it's a little less Playmobil and a bit more AirFix (yeah, Thracian, I can make ridiculous analogies, too) - it's going to take time and care and experience to build a winning side from the resources we have - and it's going to take support from the stands. Not miserable, bitchy, whining little gobshites crying after a few months and desperately looking for scapegoats and hate-figures because we aren't flying top of the league. (Damnit, and I'd been doing so well not arguing with people on here. ) HERE HERE!!
stoatish Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 Beckford played 10 games in the Championship for Leeds. He didn't score once during that time - wonder why? It's clear that he was a panic buy on the last day of the transfer window. Everton were desperate for the money and Sven was desperate for the marquee signing we and the owners craved. However no thought was given as to how he would integrate with the rest of the squad, or fit into the style of play that Sven wanted to adopt. Maybe when the new manager comes in, Beckford will realise what it takes to force his way back into the side. At the moment he's below Jeff Schlupp in the pecking order of strikers, and while he's undoubtedly on a good salary, I'd hope that he'd have enough professional pride to want to demonstrate his undoubted talent to the new managerial regime. It's a two-way process. If he wants to put the effort in (something that was questionable during his last two appearances), the fans will back him. When did he play those? Was it at the beginning of his Leeds career before they went down? It certainly wasn't at the end of his career because Leeds cancelled his contract early to allow him to join Everton of a free in May 2010. As regards a panic buy that's your opinion and maybe it was but we'll never know, I don't think it was as he was rumoured to join us for over a month before he joined us so clearly there was some thought behind signing him.
Thracian Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 Look how long Dzeko took to bed; or years before that, Didier Drogba at Chelsea. We've bought ourselves a fantastic squad... (Damnit, and I'd been doing so well not arguing with people on here. ) If Beckford had shown just one or two of Drogba's countless qualities I might have some sympathy with your comments but he hasn't. He's been a dead weight and a liability who hasn't merited his place. I suppose your friend Abe still needs time to bed in as well! As for buying ourselves "a fantastic squad" I don't know what you've been drinking pre-match but it sure is good. Truth is that we've still got many of the weaknesses we had before Sven arrived. Yes, some areas have been improved considerably but the weaknesses remain and still constrain us like a giant anchor. So does our lack of flexibility and our unwillingness to deal with basic shortcomings that shouldn't exist in any professional side. I know you'll never change your views - it doesn't seem part of your nature - but Beckford won't get anywhere with the attitude he's shown so far and I don't see one sensible reason why we should effectively go out with 10 committed players and one who just seems to go his own way. .
Thracian Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 HERE HERE!! Yes, if I heard that sort of urgency and desire from Beckford it would be a start!
Finnegan Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 You say this about most people you disagree with. Not at all, there are some fantastically bright, intelligent, thoughtful people on here whose views on life (and occasionally sport) I just simply don't see eye-to-eye with. I don't think I've ever felt the need to unleash some hostile, frustrated rage on the likes of Webbo or Jon the Hat despite our vastly different stances on.. everything. I'm just fed up of coming on here and reading the same inane, blinkered, negative garbage from the cc_stars and somebums of this world who find something or someone to bemoan after every, single, bloody result. I should be used to it by now and, for the most part, I generally ignore it. But my word that straw hurt this camel's back. You really are just a tosser, just a tosser that other tossers agree with. Guilty as charged, kiddo. Talking of calling people retards, for someone who is offended by the Yuki Abe dog chant, you seem a lot less sensitive about that term. I'm not offended by the Yuki Abe chant, I'm extremely fucking embarrassed by the Yuki Abe chant. It manages to make our fans look both racist AND incredibly, incredibly stupid at the same time. Go team! If Beckford had shown just one or two of Drogba's countless qualities I might have some sympathy with your comments but he hasn't. He's been a dead weight and a liability who hasn't merited his place. I suppose your friend Abe still needs time to bed in as well! If Beckford had one or two of Drogba's countless qualities he wouldn't be at Leicester City, would he?
damolcfc Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 No to beckford, gotta earn a recall. On the bench for me.
RonnieTodger Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 Beckford didn't score as many goals for Leeds as he did or 10 for Everton (including cup games) in his time there no reason. Yes he's been awful, but this whole issue seems to sum up our "fans". It's pathetic the way he was booed at West Ham, he's still wearing blue and white and it's not as if he's doing it on purpose. He'll come good because he is a good striker. Fed up of our fickle fans moaning at our own players. Even Yakubu wasn't good enough for some. Pathetic.
Thracian Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 Not at all, there are some fantastically bright, intelligent, thoughtful people on here whose views on life (and occasionally sport) I just simply don't see eye-to-eye with. I don't think I've ever felt the need to unleash some hostile, frustrated rage on the likes of Webbo or Jon the Hat despite our vastly different stances on.. everything. I'm just fed up of coming on here and reading the same inane, blinkered, negative garbage from the cc_stars and somebums of this world who find something or someone to bemoan after every, single, bloody result. I should be used to it by now and, for the most part, I generally ignore it. But my word that straw hurt this camel's back. Guilty as charged, kiddo. I'm not offended by the Yuki Abe chant, I'm extremely fucking embarrassed by the Yuki Abe chant. It manages to make our fans look both racist AND incredibly, incredibly stupid at the same time. Go team! If Beckford had one or two of Drogba's countless qualities he wouldn't be at Leicester City, would he? Just because we can't buy a limo doesn't mean we should settle for a three-wheeler bike.
lcfcsnow Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 The fact he wanted an increase in wages for dropping down to the Championship says it all, I can't believe we've fallen for it again after 4 years of Dj Campbell doing exactly the same.
MC Prussian Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 Beckford played 10 games in the Championship for Leeds. He didn't score once during that time - wonder why? It's clear that he was a panic buy on the last day of the transfer window. Everton were desperate for the money and Sven was desperate for the marquee signing we and the owners craved. However no thought was given as to how he would integrate with the rest of the squad, or fit into the style of play that Sven wanted to adopt. Maybe when the new manager comes in, Beckford will realise what it takes to force his way back into the side. At the moment he's below Jeff Schlupp in the pecking order of strikers, and while he's undoubtedly on a good salary, I'd hope that he'd have enough professional pride to want to demonstrate his undoubted talent to the new managerial regime. It's a two-way process. If he wants to put the effort in (something that was questionable during his last two appearances), the fans will back him. Well, Andrew Neville admitted during one RL Phone-In somewhere in late August/early September that they had been watching Beckford for quite a while. So much for your "panic buy" theory.
MC Prussian Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 If Beckford had shown just one or two of Drogba's countless qualities I might have some sympathy with your comments but he hasn't. He's been a dead weight and a liability who hasn't merited his place. I suppose your friend Abe still needs time to bed in as well! As for buying ourselves "a fantastic squad" I don't know what you've been drinking pre-match but it sure is good. Truth is that we've still got many of the weaknesses we had before Sven arrived. Yes, some areas have been improved considerably but the weaknesses remain and still constrain us like a giant anchor. So does our lack of flexibility and our unwillingness to deal with basic shortcomings that shouldn't exist in any professional side. I know you'll never change your views - it doesn't seem part of your nature - but Beckford won't get anywhere with the attitude he's shown so far and I don't see one sensible reason why we should effectively go out with 10 committed players and one who just seems to go his own way. . Correct. We still have a lot of idiotic fans who are very apt at spouting nonsense, know it better than the owners or the manager and are quite talented at dishing out a plethora of negative criticism. In fact, I believe the number of imbecile Leicester City fans keeps on growing with each new season.
lcfcsnow Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 He was more bothered about hanging out with his Leeds mates pre match.
Guest Col city fan Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 He was more bothered about hanging out with his Leeds mates pre match. I noticed that and thought the same thing
berniethebolt Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 He was more bothered about hanging out with his Leeds mates pre match. when you play against your old club with fond memories and your new clubs fans are booing your after only a handful of games then I can hardly blame him.
Bert Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 He looked as sharp and as dangerous as he has done for us. Clapped the Leeds fans more than he did us, which is annoying.
blueredswed Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 He looked as sharp and as dangerous as he has done for us. Clapped the Leeds fans more than he did us, which is annoying. Perhaps he´s only get shit from leicester so called supporters! :scarf:
Ross 'LCFC' Turner Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 Credit were credit's due he came on and acctually gave it a real go. Shouldnt need to be playing against his old club for him to be fired up though!!!
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