Langston Posted 18 November 2011 Posted 18 November 2011 Can anyone really leave Ashley Cole out of an England squad. Massve twat - definitely, but easily the most consistent performer this country has had in recent history. In my opinion, him, Hart and Parker are the first names on the team sheet.
FoxyPV Posted 18 November 2011 Posted 18 November 2011 GK: Given, Westwood, B. Murphy DR: S. Kelly, Wilson DC: St. Ledger, Dunne, O'Shea, O'Dea DL: S. Ward, Clark MR:McGeady, Coleman MC: Gibson, McCarthy, Whelan, Andrews ML: Duff, S Hunt ST: Keane, Walters, Long, Doyle All based on fitness (especially the forwards) That's the only way Coleman will get a game. He's far too attacking for a defender in Trapp's eyes.
stix Posted 18 November 2011 Posted 18 November 2011 Hart Foster Green Cole Baines Lescott Jones Jagielka Cahill Walker Richards Young Milner Wilshere Lampard Parker Rodwell Walcott A Johnson Rooney Defoe Bent Crouch
Haydos Posted 18 November 2011 Posted 18 November 2011 My 23 man squad- -Goalkeepers- Joe Hart (Man City), Ben Foster (WBA), David Stockdale (Ipswich Town) -Defenders- Micah Richards (Man City), John Terry (Chelsea), Rio Ferdinand (Man U), Kyle Walker (Tottenham), Leighton Banes (Everton), Phil Jones (Man U), Gary Cahill (Bolton) -Midfidlers- Gareth Barry (Man City), Ashley Young (Man U), Frank Lampard (Chelsea), Theo Walcott (Arsenal), Jack Rodwell (Everton), James Milner (Man City), Adam Johnson (Man C) & Steve Gerrard (Liverpool) -Forwards- Darren Bent (Aston Villa), Gabriel Agbonlahor (Aston Villa), Jermaine Defoe (Tottenham), Peter Crouch (Stoke) & Bobby Zamora (Fulham) CAPTAIN: Gareth Barry Hilarious on so many levels. Barry captain? No Parker? No Ashley Cole? Zamora? Crouch over Welbeck or Sturridge? No Wilshere? No Rooney? On that final point....If we don't get through the group stages without him then we don't deserve anything anyway. He still needs to be in the squad.
Bert Posted 18 November 2011 Posted 18 November 2011 My England 23 if everyone is fully fit would be: Hart, Green, Foster Richards, Walker, Cole, Baines, Terry, Cahill, Lescott, Jagielka Walcott, A. Johnson, Young, Downing, Wilshere, Gerrard, Parker, Milner, Lampard Rooney, Bent, Welbeck There's obviously plenty of time for players club form to improve/dip but based on current form that is who I would take. I like this.
NGoloMode Posted 18 November 2011 Posted 18 November 2011 Going to need more than 3 strikers if you are taking Rooney.
General Smuts Posted 18 November 2011 Posted 18 November 2011 That's the only way Coleman will get a game. He's far too attacking for a defender in Trapp's eyes. Yeah shame cos hes one of the best players in the squad. Coleman behind McGeady is teh sex. As for the English squad: GK: Hart, Carson (Foster retired) DR: Johnson, Richards DL: Cole, Baines DC: Terry, Jones, Smalling, Cahill DM: Parker, Barry MC: Lampard, Wilshere, MR: Walcott, Young, ML: Johnson, Downing All of the above: Milner ST: Rooney, Bent, Zamora, Sturridge Some quality players will miss out unfortunately, Lescott, Jagielka, Lennon, Walker, Rio, Dawson, Gerrard, Carroll, Rodwell, Defoe, Welbeck, Cleverley, Agbonlahor. You could make a half decent squad from them.
Simo86 Posted 18 November 2011 Author Posted 18 November 2011 Going to need more than 3 strikers if you are taking Rooney. From the squad I posted I did think about 4 strikers because of taking Rooney, but I decided against it as I have Walcott, Young & Gerrard who are all effective as a 2nd striker if one is needed
ousefox Posted 18 November 2011 Posted 18 November 2011 Clueless?! Fact more like. This. Rooney is a liability, and what has he ever done for England? He is so thick it is unbelievable. I am hoping he gets a 4 match ban if they appeal his red card. He might be talented, but he can go off form at times, and generally he is an accident waiting to happen. Crouch, Bent, Sturridge, Defoe Okay then, lets just not take probably our best player to the Euro's He is thick as pigshit but he is very clever on the pitch- football wise. His temper is always going to be a problem but we have to take the risk. Crouch- will do **** all against any big teams Bent- not international quality at all, showed that by having hardly any impact in the England games he's played Sturridge- he would be my choice to start up top for the first three but he is unproven and certainly not prolific Defoe- has shown he's not good enough to play for England, especially as a lone striker, he'll have no chance. If we had other options, i'd understand not taking Rooney, but the truth is he is our only quality striker.
The Doctor Posted 19 November 2011 Posted 19 November 2011 Okay then, lets just not take probably our best player to the Euro's He is thick as pigshit but he is very clever on the pitch- football wise. His temper is always going to be a problem but we have to take the risk. Crouch- will do **** all against any big teams Bent- not international quality at all, showed that by having hardly any impact in the England games he's played Sturridge- he would be my choice to start up top for the first three but he is unproven and certainly not prolific Defoe- has shown he's not good enough to play for England, especially as a lone striker, he'll have no chance. If we had other options, i'd understand not taking Rooney, but the truth is he is our only quality striker. So quality that all he's got to show for his past two international tournaments is a red card? He's a decent enough player at that level but when he's suspended for half the entire tournament (and 3/4's of the usual length of england's challenge) he'd be a bit of a waste of a place would he not?
Bert Posted 19 November 2011 Posted 19 November 2011 So quality that all he's got to show for his past two international tournaments is a red card? He's a decent enough player at that level but when he's suspended for half the entire tournament (and 3/4's of the usual length of england's challenge) he'd be a bit of a waste of a place would he not? He's not been sent off in the last two international tournaments. Getting sent off doesn't make crap. Along with A. Cole and maybe Gerrard he's the only player in our squad that you could genuinely say "he's world class".
Langston Posted 19 November 2011 Posted 19 November 2011 Yeah shame cos hes one of the best players in the squad. Coleman behind McGeady is teh sex. As for the English squad: GK: Hart, Carson (Foster retired) DR: Johnson, Richards DL: Cole, Baines DC: Terry, Jones, Smalling, Cahill DM: Parker, Barry MC: Lampard, Wilshere, MR: Walcott, Young, ML: Johnson, Downing All of the above: Milner ST: Rooney, Bent, Zamora, Sturridge Some quality players will miss out unfortunately, Lescott, Jagielka, Lennon, Walker, Rio, Dawson, Gerrard, Carroll, Rodwell, Defoe, Welbeck, Cleverley, Agbonlahor. You could make a half decent squad from them. I'd take Lescott over Cahill and Smalling. Walker over Johnson, Welbeck over Sturridge, Defoe over Zamora. One thing about our squad that does strike me is how lacking we are in quality 'keepers (available ones, anyway) we are should Hart get injured / suspended. Would taking someone like Stockdale, Fielding or Loach be a risk? Or do we take the 'experience' that has let us down in the past in the likes of Carson and Green? Like I stressed in the other thread, I honestly don't understand the hype surrounding Sturridge. He's a decent little talent but his actual striking of the ball is near abysmal, especially in comparison to Defoe and Bent.
The Doctor Posted 19 November 2011 Posted 19 November 2011 He's not been sent off in the last two international tournaments. Getting sent off doesn't make crap. Along with A. Cole and maybe Gerrard he's the only player in our squad that you could genuinely say "he's world class". The past two england have made: WC 2010 - No goals, No assists WC 2006 - No goals, No assists, 1 red card. Don't know about your definition of "all he's got to show for his last two international tournaments is a red card" but to me that looks like a red card and nothing else in the last two. I never said he was crap, but he's suspended for the group stage and, it's been what, 15 years since England made it past the quarter finals of a tournament, so why take a player who, on past tournament form, hasn't performed and would likely only be available for 1 game anyway?
kingfox Posted 19 November 2011 Posted 19 November 2011 England... GK- Hart, Foster, Stockdale RB - Johnson, Walker LB - Cole, Baines CB - Terry, Ferdinand, Cahill, Jagielka RM - Walcott, Lennon LM - Young, Downing CM - Lampard, Gerrard, Parker, Wilshere ST - Rooney, Sturridge, Bent, Defoe Very hard to choose, especially leaving out the Man Utd youngsters of Smalling, Jones and Welbeck. Loads of others missing out aswell, but that would be my 23.
Leicester Lass Posted 19 November 2011 Posted 19 November 2011 The past two england have made: WC 2010 - No goals, No assists WC 2006 - No goals, No assists, 1 red card. Don't know about your definition of "all he's got to show for his last two international tournaments is a red card" but to me that looks like a red card and nothing else in the last two. I never said he was crap, but he's suspended for the group stage and, it's been what, 15 years since England made it past the quarter finals of a tournament, so why take a player who, on past tournament form, hasn't performed and would likely only be available for 1 game anyway? Seeing as he didn't get sent off in WC 2010 and we weren't at 2008 I class that as the last 2 international tournaments. We'll be taking him because if we do get through the group stage he's better than any other striker we have, regardless of his tournament record. Look at as his domestic stats and honours, the boy is class. (this is Bert btw)
The Doctor Posted 19 November 2011 Posted 19 November 2011 Apologies, perhaps I should have been clearer with what I meant - in the last two international tournaments england have been involved in (i.e. qualified for), Rooney has done nothing but pick up a red card. There's no denying he is a quality player, but is there really much point taking him when he misses at least half the tournament? As far as I can see it would just be placing a bit of an unnecessary limitation on your squad options for the group stage.
shen Posted 19 November 2011 Posted 19 November 2011 Apologies, perhaps I should have been clearer with what I meant - in the last two international tournaments england have been involved in (i.e. qualified for), Rooney has done nothing but pick up a red card. There's no denying he is a quality player, but is there really much point taking him when he misses at least half the tournament? As far as I can see it would just be placing a bit of an unnecessary limitation on your squad options for the group stage. Arshavin, whose situation Rooney's is ironically compared to, made quite an impression in 2008 despite missing the two first games... And obviously the whole "no goals, no assists" argument is so utterly flawed it's unreal. He hasn't been at his best in those tournaments, but then England have generally been poor in major tournaments for some time now. Rooney shouldn't be blamed for that. He's done more than enough with Man Utd to prove he can be the star player against top opposition. He's by some distance England's best player and if they are serious about challenging, they'll need him for the latter stages. Seeing as he didn't get sent off in WC 2010 and we weren't at 2008 I class that as the last 2 international tournaments. We'll be taking him because if we do get through the group stage he's better than any other striker we have, regardless of his tournament record. Look at as his domestic stats and honours, the boy is class. (this is Bert btw)
Jimothy Posted 19 November 2011 Posted 19 November 2011 Apologies, perhaps I should have been clearer with what I meant - in the last two international tournaments england have been involved in (i.e. qualified for), Rooney has done nothing but pick up a red card. There's no denying he is a quality player, but is there really much point taking him when he misses at least half the tournament? As far as I can see it would just be placing a bit of an unnecessary limitation on your squad options for the group stage. Well you did say his last two tournaments, so I would have thought it was pretty obvious you were referring to the last two he played in. If a player wasn't at a tournament for whatever reason, it obviously has no relevance to his tournament record. Rooney did nothing at Euro 2008, because he wasn't there, so it wasn't one of his tournaments.
Mrfox452 Posted 19 November 2011 Posted 19 November 2011 Portugal GK : Patricio, Eduardo, Beto Defenders : Pereira, Bosingwa, Rolando, Pepe, Bruno Alves, Fabio Coentrao, Sereno. Mid : Mereiles, Nani, Quaresma, Veloso, Moutinho, Carlos Martins, Ruben Micheal, Varela, Duda, Strikers : Ronaldo, Postiga, Almeida, Danny.
Heart-Shaped Fox Posted 19 November 2011 Posted 19 November 2011 Okay then, lets just not take probably our best player to the Euro's He is thick as pigshit but he is very clever on the pitch- football wise. His temper is always going to be a problem but we have to take the risk. Crouch- will do **** all against any big teams Bent- not international quality at all, showed that by having hardly any impact in the England games he's played Sturridge- he would be my choice to start up top for the first three but he is unproven and certainly not prolific Defoe- has shown he's not good enough to play for England, especially as a lone striker, he'll have no chance. If we had other options, i'd understand not taking Rooney, but the truth is he is our only quality striker. He is missing three games. Potentiall yhat is a slot wasted in the squad if we get a hard group and go out, which I could see happening. You say the others arent good enough, and not got the quality, but they have done just as much as Rooney has in recent years for Englad - FA. Forgetting the ban, even if he could play the group games he will be ever anonymous and poor just ike he always is internationally.
Langston Posted 20 November 2011 Posted 20 November 2011 You say the others arent good enough, and not got the quality, but they have done just as much as Rooney has in recent years for Englad - FA. Forgetting the ban, even if he could play the group games he will be ever anonymous and poor just ike he always is internationally. Not really done 'FA' and been anonymous internationally though has he, really. There was a reason why everyone thought he'd have a storming World Cup - he'd almost single handedly won us qualification by being on a different level, he was starting to look like the England player that would've won us Euro 2004 had he not picked up that ankle injury against Portugal. He was fantastic in qualification for South Africa - stop making silly comments.
Charl91 Posted 20 November 2011 Posted 20 November 2011 My England 23 if everyone is fully fit would be: Hart, Green, Foster (Carson if Foster stands by his retirement) Richards, Walker, Cole, Baines, Terry, Cahill, Lescott, Jagielka Walcott, A. Johnson, Young, Downing, Wilshere, Gerrard, Parker, Milner, Lampard Rooney, Bent, Welbeck There's obviously plenty of time for players club form to improve/dip but based on current form that is who I would take. This for me, only without Terry. Would take Phil Jones, though only as a 4th choice. Other then that, can't complain - while I'd like Lennon in there somewhere (or even Cleverely if he returned from injury and started playing well), I can't really justify taking out any of those midfielders. I agree with Peterboro's comments about Rooney though; while he's great for Man U, he's vastly over-rated for England, and rarely has a great game. If you only watched England games, you certainly wouldn't believe he was a World Class player. I'd almost be reluctant to take him, especially with the ban, if it wasn't the fact that when he's on form, he's such a game changer. Bent- not international quality at all, showed that by having hardly any impact in the England games he's played Bent is horribly under-rated for England (in fact, very under-rated overall). While he might just be a goal poacher, I'd argue that recently he has had more impact then Rooney. In 2010/2011 he has 4 goals in 8 games for England. Plus the fact that he essentially got us the goal vs. Spain. Just because he doesn't run around alot and show "passion".... for me, he would be a certain place on the team-sheet at the moment. Compare that to Rooney 2010/2011 - 16 appearances, 3 goals. We have also statistically won more games when Rooney doesn't play then when he does. While stats lie, it hardly helps his case as being vastly influential to England. So yes, I would take him, in the hope that he would come good. But he hasn't been great so far....
Leicester Boy 46 Posted 20 November 2011 Posted 20 November 2011 England: Hart, Stockdale, we won't use the third so Green/Carson Richards, Kelly, Jones, Smalling, Jagielka, Lescott, Baines, Gibbs, Cahill in reserve Walcott, Rodwell, Wilshere, A.Johnson, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Sturridge, Welbeck, Carroll, mainly young players i know that's not 23 but i'm out of ideas, my principle is: forget the old guard let's get the youngsters ready for 2014 qualifiers and all that.
Bryn Posted 20 November 2011 Posted 20 November 2011 GKs: Hart, Ruddy, Stockdale Defenders: Richards, Walker, Cole, Baines, Terry, Ferdinand, Jones, Lescott Midfielders: Parker, Wilshere, Lampard, Barry, Gerrard Attackers: Walcott, Young, Johnson, Downing, Rooney, Bent, Agbonlahor Hart Richards Jones Terry ColeParkerWilshere GerrardJohnson-----------------------------YoungWalcott Rooney to come back in for the knockouts.
Swalker Posted 20 November 2011 Posted 20 November 2011 Not sure about my squad but my starting 11 would be: Hart (undisputed) Richards (most underrated English player IMO) Terry (undisputed) Cahill/ Ferdinand (not sure, bring different things to the position) Cole (undisputed) Wilshere (to good not to play, links up the play) Parker (work horse) Walcott (effective player) Lampard (better team player than Gerrard and both can't play) Young (undisputed) Crouch (effective player, always gets goals for england)
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