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[Jimbo]

There's two different scenarios. Walking down the town on holiday with your family and standing at a bar ordering a couple of pints expecting the Spanish waitress to understand you.

I speak Spanish fairly well and it goes a long way when the locals hear you making the effort.

English is probably the hardest language to learn, I appreciate that. But surely people living here should at least have a grasp on the basics before arriving here. That's not me expecting too much of them, nor assuming they're lazy.

So they should know the basics, as I or you do with Spanish, or they should use English as their first language like you said earlier? Big, big difference.

You also said you would not interact with anyone who wasn't speaking English because it meant they were not bothered so why should you be.

Like I said, I deal with an awful lot of people who do not speak very good English, they only do so when it's necessary for them, the same as you and me when ordering "gambas al ajillo" or "dos cervezas" so you are making a generalistic assumption that because they don't use English as their first language then they don't speak English at all.

You speaking Spanish fairly well wouldn't get you very far if you lived there, so I credit those who come to our country and do make some effort. You on the other hand have said you expect it from them.

At the risk of facing the wrath of those who are truely PC then there are a minority who come the country and appear to make no effort, but it's another arguement to go into another time.

[Guest Col city fan]

I'm against any sort of 'ism'....

As a rather overweight, 43 year old male my biggest dislikes are ageism, sizeism and sexism..

[Captain...]

Not sure what you're getting at? Id probably not take the job.

Why are you trying to put words on my mouth? Separating families etc? I get well wound up with the priks on here who take the mick out of blueredswed

The point I am making is that if someone who can speak English but his wife can't gets a very good job in England a much better job than what they have in their home country, by your logic he can come to this country because he can speak English, but his wife can't.

Being able to speak English is not a pre-requisite to live in this country, all that is necessary, in my opinion, is a positive contribution to the society and the economy.

[dannythefox]

I'm not racist but I am sick of Collymore bang on about it every day on twitter! It's not nice to be around but it happens all over the world and it will never change imo.

[Captain...]

I'm not racist but I am sick of Collymore bang on about it every day on twitter! It's not nice to be around but it happens all over the world and it will never change imo.

Don't follow him them.

There have been a lot of very high profile incidents in the last few weeks so I think it is a valid current topic.

Also I think it is sad you don't think it will change, when you consider how much it has improved over the last 20 years I do think that we will reach a point when people stop judging people by the clour of their skin.

[The Year Of The Fox]

The point I am making is that if someone who can speak English but his wife can't gets a very good job in England a much better job than what they have in their home country, by your logic he can come to this country because he can speak English, but his wife can't.

Being able to speak English is not a pre-requisite to live in this country, all that is necessary, in my opinion, is a positive contribution to the society and the economy.

It is a requirement now though isn't it? Thought we had points system implemented now?

And I agree with your last sentance, though how can someone not speaking the language make a positive contribution?

[acooling08]

Haha are you kidding yourself? Racism is everywhere, and with such a diverse city racism is rife in Leicester.

[flowwolf]

I am a racist --Discuss :thumbup: :thumbup:

[acooling08]

I am a racist --Discuss :thumbup: :thumbup:

Against who? Blacks, Paks, Chings, Chongs, Macadangdangs, Krouts, Frogs, Chogs, Yanks, Tanks?

Spill the beans.

[Captain...]

It is a requirement now though isn't it? Thought we had points system implemented now?

And I agree with your last sentance, though how can someone not speaking the language make a positive contribution?

Very easily, you don't need to speak English to be a decent member of society, you just need to be good honest people, being good parents and neighbours. A lot of people have jobs in England without being able to speak English very well whether they are washing dishes, cleaning or working in a factory. All of this is a mor positive impact on our society than some people born here who speak English and commit crimes.

It would be better if everyone in the workd could communicate perfectly with everyone else, but limiting movement based on language is not going to improve matters. Discriminating by language is makes more sense than discriminating by skin colour but it is still discrimination.

[AdamN]

What a random post! I don't get this. If you felt that way why do you feel the need to post it? Are you trying to convince yourself?

I'm not racist, but I also don't give a fuk whether we're a diverse city or not. it has its good points, it also has its bad points. I just wish that whoever is in our city would speak English as their first language

Stu, you don't exactly do yourself any favours in threads like this. The problem is, you make it hard for people to agree with your [sometimes sensible] points, because you tend to be the catalyst in arguments about race. The original post wasn't made with the intention to spark an argument about racism (or at least I think it wasn't!), so why try and turn it into one?

I'm not having a go (seeing as to a certain extent, I agree with your point), I'm just pointing it out if you'd rather not keep coming across a ranting neo-Nazi

[dannythefox]

Don't follow him them.

There have been a lot of very high profile incidents in the last few weeks so I think it is a valid current topic.

Also I think it is sad you don't think it will change, when you consider how much it has improved over the last 20 years I do think that we will reach a point when people stop judging people by the clour of their skin.

I don't now! I think it will improve but it will NEVER stop. It will always be there from the school playing field to sport / work or going out etc its sad but that's the world we live in.

[foxoffderby]

Against who? Blacks, Paks, Chings, Chongs, Macadangdangs, Krouts, Frogs, Chogs, Yanks, Tanks?

Spill the beans.

Bet you loved that by Flowwolf, gave you a chance to say all those words and make it look like you were just giving examples. Most on here know your biggoted views on race, please don't use those words we don't need to read them. Your not being funny or clever.

[The Year Of The Fox]

Stu, you don't exactly do yourself any favours in threads like this. The problem is, you make it hard for people to agree with your [sometimes sensible] points, because you tend to be the catalyst in arguments about race. The original post wasn't made with the intention to spark an argument about racism (or at least I think it wasn't!), so why try and turn it into one?

I'm not having a go (seeing as to a certain extent, I agree with your point), I'm just pointing it out if you'd rather not keep coming across a ranting neo-Nazi

I don't want to 'do myself favours' If posters are scared to admit they agree with me (which does happen on here) then its a pretty sad forum. Its the same people who speak up every time about me, when they clearly haven't read the posts and made a considered response. Spherical fox, finnegan (to a less extent) and certainly samilktray. If i mention colour, race, religion, diversity etc and tend to disagree with their views on the subjects, then I'm automatically racist. To be fair, I love winding them up. Its easy to do, but yet as my mate says, they are losing an argument they should be winning because they either verbally insult me, or fail to answer my points, which looks like they're being ignored purely because they don't know how to answer them.

I'm sure the OP didn't intend to start an argument. My point was mainly that why people who state how much they love the diversity in the city etc feel the need to post it? They have more of an adverse effect pointing out our city is multicultural than if they just left it alone and didn't comment. Anyone who can see is able to notice its multicultural, we don't need people banging on about how great we are because of it,Its almost as if they're trying to persuade themsleves its a good thing

[Nick]

I don't want to 'do myself favours' If posters are scared to admit they agree with me (which does happen on here) then its a pretty sad forum. Its the same people who speak up every time about me, when they clearly haven't read the posts and made a considered response. Spherical fox, finnegan (to a less extent) and certainly samilktray. If i mention colour, race, religion, diversity etc and tend to disagree with their views on the subjects, then I'm automatically racist. To be fair, I love winding them up. Its easy to do, but yet as my mate says, they are losing an argument they should be winning because they either verbally insult me, or fail to answer my points, which looks like they're being ignored purely because they don't know how to answer them.

I'm sure the OP didn't intend to start an argument. My point was mainly that why people who state how much they love the diversity in the city etc feel the need to post it? They have more of an adverse effect pointing out our city is multicultural than if they just left it alone and didn't comment. Anyone who can see is able to notice its multicultural, we don't need people banging on about how great we are because of it,Its almost as if they're trying to persuade themsleves its a good thing

Don't you have an EDL meeting to go to?

[acooling08]

Bet you loved that by Flowwolf, gave you a chance to say all those words and make it look like you were just giving examples. Most on here know your biggoted views on race, please don't use those words we don't need to read them. Your not being funny or clever.

Yeah because those words are really offensive

I was just imitating a Lee Mack joke. Those who haven't seen it won't get it.

[The Doctor]

I don't want to 'do myself favours' If posters are scared to admit they agree with me (which does happen on here) then its a pretty sad forum. Its the same people who speak up every time about me, when they clearly haven't read the posts and made a considered response. Spherical fox, finnegan (to a less extent) and certainly samilktray. If i mention colour, race, religion, diversity etc and tend to disagree with their views on the subjects, then I'm automatically racist. To be fair, I love winding them up. Its easy to do, but yet as my mate says, they are losing an argument they should be winning because they either verbally insult me, or fail to answer my points, which looks like they're being ignored purely because they don't know how to answer them.

I'm sure the OP didn't intend to start an argument. My point was mainly that why people who state how much they love the diversity in the city etc feel the need to post it? They have more of an adverse effect pointing out our city is multicultural than if they just left it alone and didn't comment. Anyone who can see is able to notice its multicultural, we don't need people banging on about how great we are because of it,Its almost as if they're trying to persuade themsleves its a good thing

Rubbish. It's the internet, the place for anonymity, there are thousands of people on here, most of whom will likely never meet each other or know each other outside of the confines of this forum. If no-one is going to agree with you then it's probably because your view point is complete and utter tripe.

As for the second paragraph, I agree with what I think you're trying to say (If the multiculturalism doesn't bother you, why mention it?) but to turn it around a bit, why did you feel the need to turn it into a discussion about racism?

[sphericalfox]

I don't want to 'do myself favours' If posters are scared to admit they agree with me (which does happen on here) then its a pretty sad forum. Its the same people who speak up every time about me, when they clearly haven't read the posts and made a considered response. Spherical fox, finnegan (to a less extent) and certainly samilktray. If i mention colour, race, religion, diversity etc and tend to disagree with their views on the subjects, then I'm automatically racist. To be fair, I love winding them up. Its easy to do, but yet as my mate says, they are losing an argument they should be winning because they either verbally insult me, or fail to answer my points, which looks like they're being ignored purely because they don't know how to answer them.

I'm sure the OP didn't intend to start an argument. My point was mainly that why people who state how much they love the diversity in the city etc feel the need to post it? They have more of an adverse effect pointing out our city is multicultural than if they just left it alone and didn't comment. Anyone who can see is able to notice its multicultural, we don't need people banging on about how great we are because of it,Its almost as if they're trying to persuade themsleves its a good thing

Yes I'm always making reactionary posts and never read anything before I make them. And as your mate says, I always fail to answer the points being made, because I don't know how to answer them.

It's futile getting or engaging in debate with you as you always defeat me with your excellent objectivity and knowledge, especially when it comes to racism, a keen topic which you clearly have finger on the pulse of. What do I know of such a subject.

I won't bother going over old ground, hence my 'classic lcfc stu post'. That's all I'm offering you on this subject, as I've made my points before on previous threads on this subject.

Using my name as though you know me, therefore have some advantage in an argument is an oddity also. Perhaps you should practice your language skills abroad and not your fighting technique eh?

[MPH]

Why's it wrong to expect people who live in England speak English?

No, frankly, if there's someone who's walking around town speaking in their own language, why should I want to interact or feel the need to integrate with them, when they're clearly not that arsed about it themselves?!

For the record, I say the same about the English when they're abroad. I despise it when you've got you're typical English bloke shouting over the bar, 'two pints please mate' at least try and learn the language and make the effort

But you are not racist you think? .

[Guest Col city fan]

Stu, I think you are trying to say that 'foreign' people don't want to learn English?

This actually couldn't be further from the truth.

Any courses teaching English to non-English speaking peoples are always massively over subscribed and I believe that people coming into the country and wanting to stay are required to go onto courses in basic English.

I am very proud of Leicester's multi-cultural heritage and know many Asian and Afro-Caribbean people.

My g/f herself is of dual heritage.

Try learning about some other cultures. They can be fascinating, the food fantastic and I know some very friendly people.

This thread wasn't really about race. I thought it was about the football club embracing other cultures as the City has done?

You come across as massively ignorant with your posts and narrow minded in the extreme.

Multi culturalism is here to stay in Leicester. Great.. I say

[MPH]

this thread has turned into a bit of a Blatter moment for Stu....

" I'm not racist but..."

[He's not bald]

What a random post! I don't get this. If you felt that way why do you feel the need to post it? Are you trying to convince yourself?

I'm not racist, but I also don't give a fuk whether we're a diverse city or not. it has its good points, it also has its bad points. I just wish that whoever is in our city would speak English as their first language

Is this a wind up?

I mentioned it because it's relevant and topical and your comment about convincing myself is idiotic bearing in mind you know nothing about me!

[The Year Of The Fox]

Yes I'm always making reactionary posts and never read anything before I make them. And as your mate says, I always fail to answer the points being made, because I don't know how to answer them.

It's futile getting or engaging in debate with you as you always defeat me with your excellent objectivity and knowledge, especially when it comes to racism, a keen topic which you clearly have finger on the pulse of. What do I know of such a subject.

I won't bother going over old ground, hence my 'classic lcfc stu post'. That's all I'm offering you on this subject, as I've made my points before on previous threads on this subject.

Using my name as though you know me, therefore have some advantage in an argument is an oddity also. Perhaps you should practice your language skills abroad and not your fighting technique eh?

so you do know peas brother ! That was one big mess, and something I'm not proud of, though i was caught up in it and not an instigator!

[The Year Of The Fox]

Rubbish. It's the internet, the place for anonymity, there are thousands of people on here, most of whom will likely never meet each other or know each other outside of the confines of this forum. If no-one is going to agree with you then it's probably because your view point is complete and utter tripe.

As for the second paragraph, I agree with what I think you're trying to say (If the multiculturalism doesn't bother you, why mention it?) but to turn it around a bit, why did you feel the need to turn it into a discussion about racism?

Exactly, forum anonymity equals keyboard warriors in some respects. And no, I'm not a keyboard warrior, I speak my mind, and I wouldn't do so if I believed I'd personally upset someone- whether face to face or online.

People still post what they think should be said, or don't comment at all. Mainly, I think, because any other posts are then discredited by the other users, regardless of the subject being debated. Afterall, people like me are just knuckle draggers with nothing between the ears.

Multiculturalism doesn't bother me either way, but I just dislike this self congratulary thing we have. Like we're congratulating ourselves on not being knuckle draggers. Surely its the norm?

[21st Century Fox]

If you saw a couple of Polish people shopping in Tesco at 2pm would you instantly assume they were lazy, spongers who obviously don't have jobs, because they were in a shop at 2pm? Its as narrow minded as assuming that two immigrants talking to one another in their mother tongue haven't bothered to learn English! Why would they be speaking to each other in English when they've probably spent 20+ years speaking in their own language. If they'd attempted to speak to you in their language you might have a case, but from personal experience I've only ever come across foreigners atleast making an attempt to speak English in a shop etc etc.