Buce Posted 28 April 2014 Posted 28 April 2014 Pah, chequered pasts. But 'rogues and bad-eggs'? Come on, Strokes, educate me.
Strokes Posted 28 April 2014 Posted 28 April 2014 But 'rogues and bad-eggs'? Come on, Strokes, educate me.In all honesty, I don't know. I could only give you one name from the green party, as they don't really talk my language. I don't dislike them though. Do you support the greens buce?
Buce Posted 28 April 2014 Posted 28 April 2014 In all honesty, I don't know. I could only give you one name from the green party, as they don't really talk my language. I don't dislike them though. Do you support the greens buce? I wouldn't go so far as to say I support them, but they are the party closest to my political beliefs. Tbh, though, I am utterly disillusioned with mainstream politics - it's just different sides of the same coin, and the politicians are largely just a bunch of self-serving public schoolboys.
MooseBreath Posted 28 April 2014 Posted 28 April 2014 There was that green mp who got arrested last year for taking part in those hideously ugly riots at that fracking site, not only severely damaging the local economy but they were also storming the buildings, frightening the life out of people just trying to make a living. For the most part though we hear nothing about or from the greens, and with good reason, they've never been anything other than totally irrelevant and nobody cares what they do.
Strokes Posted 28 April 2014 Posted 28 April 2014 I wouldn't go so far as to say I support them, but they are the party closest to my political beliefs. Tbh, though, I am utterly disillusioned with mainstream politics - it's just different sides of the same coin, and the politicians are largely just a bunch of self-serving public schoolboys. I agree with most of that, I just differ on my politics. If enough people vote away from the mains, maybe they would offer us a real choice. Here's hoping anyway
Buce Posted 28 April 2014 Posted 28 April 2014 There was that green mp who got arrested last year for taking part in those hideously ugly riots at that fracking site, not only severely damaging the local economy but they were also storming the buildings, frightening the life out of people just trying to make a living. For the most part though we hear nothing about or from the greens, and with good reason, they've never been anything other than totally irrelevant and nobody cares what they do. If they are irrelevant it's because we have an undemocratic political system which favours the status quo, not because of their policies.
MooseBreath Posted 28 April 2014 Posted 28 April 2014 If they are irrelevant it's because we have an undemocratic political system which favours the status quo, not because of their policies. Well they're certainly irrelevant to me because of their policies. They're far more out of touch with reality than even labour.
lavrentis Posted 28 April 2014 Posted 28 April 2014 Do the Greens still want Transgender public toilets?
Buce Posted 28 April 2014 Posted 28 April 2014 Well they're certainly irrelevant to me because of their policies. They're far more out of touch with reality than even labour. Being irrelevant to you does not make them irrelevant per se.
davieG Posted 28 April 2014 Posted 28 April 2014 European elections: Green Party launches campaign COMMENTS (47) Green Party leader Natalie Bennett calls for a "society for the common good" Continue reading the main story Vote 2014 Guide to the 2014 elections European election candidates Clegg: Lib Dems must fight EU myths UKIP's Farage promises 'earthquake' The Green Party of England and Wales has launched its campaign for May's local and European elections. Leader Natalie Bennett said the party was a serious contender and was putting forward its largest ever number of local council candidates. Ms Bennett also said she was confident the party would increase its current tally of two MEPs. The launch took place at the Church House Conference Centre in Westminster, central London. The European Parliament elections take place on Thursday, 22 May, when elections will also take place for 161 councils in England and 11 brand new councils in Northern Ireland. 'The 99%' Speaking to the BBC after the campaign launch, Ms Bennett said the party hoped to treble its number of MEPs to six, and would need a swing of just 1.6% to do so. Even with a small number of representatives in the European Parliament, it is "possible to make a real difference" she continued, "as we have done on issues like bankers' bonuses, on fishing policy, on making Europe more friendly and more social". The party aims to scrap tuition fees and prescription charges in England and Wales, increase child benefit, and renationalise the railways and energy companies. These policies would be costed by the 2015 general election, she said, but the party was considering imposing a top rate of income tax of more than 50% on the highest earners. "We need a society that works for the common good, not just the good of the few, which it does at the moment," Ms Bennett said. "We need real change in our society. It's working for the 1%, not the 99% of us. We need decent benefits, we need to make the minimum wage a living wage, and we need to insure that privatisation doesn't keep costing us an absolute fortune. "What we need is for multinational companies, rich individuals, to be paying their taxes, which they're simply not doing at the moment." Appearing on BBC One's Andrew Marr Show on Sunday, Ms Bennett acknowledged that the Greens were "identified with" campaigns against the extraction of shale gas, or fracking. It was a "very uncertain industry that may very well not get off the ground", she added, and there is "massive and growing public resistance to it" with her party on the "front line" of protests against fracking. 'Party of fear' She also criticised the government's immigration policy for "cutting our nose off to spite our face". "This year, for the first time, the number of foreign students applying to British universities has gone down, and that's a huge cost that has come from our immigration policy." And she said the Greens aimed to position themselves as the "anti-UKIP party". "UKIP is the party of fear, saying, 'Be fearful, vote for us,'" she explained. "We're saying, 'Hope for a better society, a society that works for the common good,' so vote Green for that." Last week, UK Independence Party leader Nigel Farage said there would be "an earthquake" in politics if he triumphed in the European elections. Launching his party's manifesto in Sheffield, Mr Farage said: "We want to have, post-EU, a sensible, open immigration policy that says we welcome people, but we have got to control the quantity and the quality of who comes to Britain."
purpleronnie Posted 28 April 2014 Posted 28 April 2014 Well, I shall vote UKIP. I'm sick of the calculated, systematic degrading of the indigenous working population - and that includes a whole stack of immigrants who are as fed-up with finding themselves on the employment scrapheap as the broadly white English population that were here before they arrived. Admission to the UK should be a privilege not a right and the bar should be set at such a level as our nation might likely benefit from those coming in rather than being taken advantage of. We have enough of the latter among our existing population. Immigration restrictions are not necessary to protect British workers.
MooseBreath Posted 28 April 2014 Posted 28 April 2014 Being irrelevant to you does not make them irrelevant per se. Of course not. They are, though.
Webbo Posted 28 April 2014 Posted 28 April 2014 Do the Greens still want Transgender public toilets? I think they have them in Brighton where they run the council.
Guest MattP Posted 28 April 2014 Posted 28 April 2014 I'm becoming increasingly sceptical about the freedom of movement policy but when you get adverts like that and you hear the kind of rhetoric coming out of some quarters of UKIP it blows all chance of debate out of the water. What kind of rhetoric? Again, if you seriously can't have a debate regarding immigration because of these posters I think you need to look in the mirror, there is nothing wrong with them at all. Also, some people get very irate about Europe and immigration, but the vast majority decide their votes on other issues: traditional loyalties, the economy, employment/pay/living standards, public services for them, their children/parents, credible leadership etc. William Hague & Michael Howard ran very Eurosceptic, anti-immigration election campaigns in 2001 & 2005 against an incumbent Labour government....and Labour won large majorities both times! The fact the country was booming and Tony Blair was PM was the reason for those victories, let's not kid ourselves into thinking it was the anti-EU campaign that got him elected, had IDS or Howard ran against Brown after a couple of years of his leadership I'm sure they would be sat in number 10 now. Blair was to Labour what Thatcher was to the Tories, both great leaders who appealed to the masses who actually wanted to better themselves, both would have been elected against any other Labour/Tory leader of my lifetime from the opposite side. Can I just add this for mattp as for some reason what he said has irked me, yes I have saville row suits but the first suit was purchased when I was a postman and I worked bloody hard for it and didn't go on holiday or have a car or piss my money away all for the sole purpose of getting the suit, not sure why i have to justify that but I felt it was a cheap shot and I expected more from an intelligent bloke. Come on Ron you're a big boy. The fact you did that should make you think about your position even more, that dream you had of buying your Savile Row suit is being taken away from our low paid because of the freedom of movement policy, you might have been sat on the scrapheap back then had we had the same immigration rules now. I've always been a little naive when it comes to politics, if truth be told. Unlike some on here that seem to have a real grasp of it (MattP, 'Finners' for example), I'm really no expert. One thing, however, that I've usually thought about Farage (when I've heard him on Question Time etc) is that he seems to just say it how it is. He doesn't appear to bull-shit particularly. And usually, I find myself agreeing when I'm listening to him. That's why he has appealed to so many, when he speaks you actually get a straight answer rather than a pre planned party line, we need characters like him in parliament, can you imagine politics being full of Harriet Harman's and Grant Schapp's saying the same thing every week and not having an opinion on anything? UKIP's support has came mainly from the Tories and working class Labour, but the other forgotten area is they are picking up a lot of voters from people who never did before or have long since stopped bothering. The Greens? You mean the ones who see no problem with stopping people and business going about their day and normal life because they disagree with it? Even if it's in an area nothing to do with them, let's not pull any punches, these people are nutters, the World has moved on, we wouldn't have had an Industrial revolution had these sort had their way. One of the local Greens here wants to ban teeth. They are no better than the BNP in terms of the control and autocracy they want over people lives. I think they have them in Brighton where they run the council. "Gender-Neutral" I think they call them (though if any City in Britain did need them ), the Greens will be off in 2015 anyway if the polls in Brighton hold up, it's a middle class affluent liberal area but most of them even seem sick of them now. Easy to support the Greens when you know they won't take control of your own area. People should take note if they are kicked out after one term.
lavrentis Posted 28 April 2014 Posted 28 April 2014 I can tell Ronnie is a closet Ukip supporter , come out of the closet Ronnie I know who you are voting in May
Strokes Posted 28 April 2014 Posted 28 April 2014 I can tell Ronnie is a closet Ukip supporter , come out of the closet Ronnie I know who you are voting in May It was his suit that gave it away, wasnt it?
oxford blue Posted 28 April 2014 Posted 28 April 2014 There now appears to be a cross party campaign to brand UKIP as a racist party: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/28/ukip-european-election-accused-of-racism It would appear that anyone that dos not agree with unlimited migration within Europe should be considered a racist. I think this will have the opposite effect of what they intend by encouraging more people to vote UKIP in the Euro elections.
MPH Posted 28 April 2014 Posted 28 April 2014 I have no problem with Nigel Farage- he actually makes alot of sense. But some of the mind numbingly stupid things some other UKIP members have said is what would stop me from voting for them..
Webbo Posted 28 April 2014 Posted 28 April 2014 *Ahem* As you were. So in 2010 when net migration was at it's highest unemployment was climbing too?In fact both started to rise in 2008. What's your point?
Captain... Posted 28 April 2014 Posted 28 April 2014 So in 2010 when net migration was at it's highest unemployment was climbing too?In fact both started to rise in 2008. What's your point? Not making a point, just thought that instead of everyone offering unfounded opinion and rhetoric, I thought I would inject some facts.
Webbo Posted 28 April 2014 Posted 28 April 2014 Not making a point, just thought that instead of everyone offering unfounded opinion and rhetoric, I thought I would inject some facts. The facts seem to be on the side of the Ukippers on that graph, are you sure that's what you intended?
purpleronnie Posted 28 April 2014 Posted 28 April 2014 I can tell Ronnie is a closet Ukip supporter , come out of the closet Ronnie I know who you are voting in May Its he purple bit that gave me away isn't it? Come on Ron you're a big boy. The fact you did that should make you think about your position even more, that dream you had of buying your Savile Row suit is being taken away from our low paid because of the freedom of movement policy, you might have been sat on the scrapheap back then had we had the same immigration rules now I don't believe for one second it's being taken away and certainly not by freedom of movement. And we did have the same immigration rules back then, I'm not that old like webbo you know.
Captain... Posted 28 April 2014 Posted 28 April 2014 The facts seem to be on the side of the Ukippers on that graph, are you sure that's what you intended? Why? I am interested in the truth not scoring political points:
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