Matt Mills

[Corky]

I'm pretty sure it wasn't it's not even their current kit!

I reckon he wasn't being serious

[Kitchandro]

I reckon he wasn't being serious

So do I...I just wasn't sure if you were

[Corky]

So do I...I just wasn't sure if you were

I fell for that one.

Well done Jace

[Haydos]

Was Pearson 'Unprofessional' or an 'Arse hole' cause he stayed behind after the Leicester vs Hull game last season to see they players and sign autographs/take pictures with the fans?

Stay behind all the players 100% til they've officially left.

Shut up Matt.

[Out Foxed]

let's be honest. getting rid of hobbsy and buying mills was one of the worst decisions in the history of the club

[L4EV]

let's be honest. getting rid of hobbsy and buying mills was one of the worst decisions in the history of the club

Add to that the prices involved

[Guest Col city fan]

let's be honest. getting rid of hobbsy and buying mills was one of the worst decisions in the history of the club

Getting rid of Jack Hobbs was a mistake period...

As I said at the time, Jack was one of the best young centre backs this club had had in a long time.

One for the future who was let go for peanuts.

A disgrace really.

[LCFC_FAN_1995]

Like I said though, would you blame mills after all he has done not to sit in with are fans?

They are facts. Can't remember the thread title, but remember you expressing a great deal of anger at Pearson when the story broke. You definitely suggested you wouldn't attend another game whilst he was in charge. Not having a go, just think it's odd you're backtracking now you've realised Mills is a cvnt!

I love Pearson, he is the man for the job.

Think you mean someone else, I have a season ticket at Leicester and go to the home and the away games, only missed about 4 games all season, 2 of them were the ones against Cardiff.

I would love you to find evidence of me having a go at Pearson because I love the man, when the story broke I said the same thing to what I said about Ledger which was get rid of him, loan him away but Ledger apologised and worked hard whereas Mills hasn't done anything, I wouldn't be fussed if we got rid of mills which we will, even though we will lose money we will be getting one of the delusions of grandeur players.

[HEGGSY]

They are facts. Can't remember the thread title, but remember you expressing a great deal of anger at Pearson when the story broke. You definitely suggested you wouldn't attend another game whilst he was in charge. Not having a go, just think it's odd you're backtracking now you've realised Mills is a cvnt!

I think that was Danny the Fox 95 ( apologies Danny if it wasn't )

[Raw Dykes]

Although Pearson does seem to have personality clashes with certain players, nevertheless Pearson himself should be mature about matters too and let all that side of things ride - and pick the player on what he contributes to the team rather than whether or not he gets on with the player - Mills here surely being the latest case in point. I remember Pearson letting DJ Campbell go out on loan to Blackpool - and he helped fire them to the Prem. in the play offs that season when he quite easily could've done the same for us and so avoided us losing in that penalty shoot-out against the Taffs in the semis two seasons ago. Although I'm not condoning Mills' latest bout of petulant and seemingly reactive behaviour, Pearson should surely take a look at himself during occasions such as this too.

I agree with you to some extent - the manager should make an effort to rise above most arguments or disagreements he's had with any players. However, for one thing we don't know what Mills said or did. I'm guessing it must have been pretty serious for NP to drop him out the squad completely from picking him in the starting XI. How often has this sort of thing happened while NP has been in charge here? It happened to Wayne Brown, and deservedly so if what we heard was true. I just don't think NP would overreact to a petty argument, or make a mountain out of a molehill like some have suggested, because it would happen more often, and we'd have heard about it by now.

For another thing, Mills' performances have been poor under Sven and NP, and from what I've seen, I wouldn't expect the manager to pick Mills over SSL, Morgan or Bamba even if he hadn't fallen out with him.

I think you might have misremembered DJ Campbell as a Leicester player. He was rubbish here. He didn't fit in, he was constantly offside, his attitude was all wrong and he even told the press he didn't want to play for us while he was our player. For whatever reason, he was able to perform at Blackpool, but saying he could easily have done that here just isn't true. He was here, and he couldn't or wouldn't perform. He didn't perform, and that's why he left. Similar thing with Mills. For some strange reason, some players can perform very well at one club, and completely flop at another club, even in the same division.

[accessory]

Getting rid of Jack Hobbs was a mistake period...

As I said at the time, Jack was one of the best young centre backs this club had had in a long time.

One for the future who was let go for peanuts.

A disgrace really.

There are plenty of Sven's (ex) groupies who weren't saying that this time last year.

They were slating Hobbs then just as much as many are slating Mills now.

[ScouseFox]

Let's face it, after Pearson left Hobbs was one of the worst defenders in recent times.

For about 6 months he turned in shocking display after shocking display, and about 99% of fans on here and at games wanted him out the team as soon as possible. Just because, thus far, his replacement hasn't exactly been Paolo Maldini doesn't mean Hobbs is now a brilliant defender.

[blueharmie]

Pearson just needs to sit mills down, tweak his nipples, then do the Macarina.

Would solve this situation.

[Guest Col city fan]

Let's face it, after Pearson left Hobbs was one of the worst defenders in recent times.

For about 6 months he turned in shocking display after shocking display, and about 99% of fans on here and at games wanted him out the team as soon as possible. Just because, thus far, his replacement hasn't exactly been Paolo Maldini doesn't mean Hobbs is now a brilliant defender.

Brings me back to the point that certain players like to play for certain managers.

Sven didn't seem to rate Hobbs and Hobbs wanted out.

He went back to Pearson to form the meanest back four in the division at Hull.

Bad defender?

Course not...

Mills any better?

Not in my opinion no.

[accessory]

Let's face it, after Pearson left Hobbs was one of the worst defenders in recent times.

For about 6 months he turned in shocking display after shocking display, and about 99% of fans on here and at games wanted him out the team as soon as possible. Just because, thus far, his replacement hasn't exactly been Paolo Maldini doesn't mean Hobbs is now a brilliant defender.

Hobbs was better than anything we've seen in central defence since he left - including Bamba, Mills, St Ledger or Morgan.

The fact that he's captain of the side with the best defensive record in the league suggests he has more quality than you and other knee-jerk sections of the fanbase give him credit for.

[accessory]

Brings me back to the point that certain players like to play for certain managers.

Sven didn't seem to rate Hobbs and Hobbs wanted out.

He went back to Pearson to form the meanest back four in the division at Hull.

Bad defender?

Course not...

Mills any better?

Not in my opinion no.

But five times the fee (plus significantly-higher wages).

Shocking business by Sven, and sadly too typical of his lack of judgement in this league.

[ScouseFox]

Hobbs was better than anything we've seen in central defence since he left - including Bamba, Mills, St Ledger or Morgan.

The fact that he's captain of the side with the best defensive record in the league suggests he has more quality than you and other knee-jerk sections of the fanbase give him credit for.

He showed he was a good defender under Pearson, I'm not denying that. I'm very happy for him that he's doing well, showing more and more people that he's a good Championship defender. But under Sousa/Sven he was fvcking woeful, and that's being kind.

Did you expect Sven to keep him, just in case he got sacked and Pearson came back? Don't be silly. He was moved on in a move that, at the time, was best for everyone. In hindsight some can say he's better than some of the CBs we have here now, but at the time, he was shit. Also, I don't think he is better than anyone we've had since, but that's your opinion, you can have that.

[Guy]

I agree with you to some extent - the manager should make an effort to rise above most arguments or disagreements he's had with any players. However, for one thing we don't know what Mills said or did. I'm guessing it must have been pretty serious for NP to drop him out the squad completely from picking him in the starting XI. How often has this sort of thing happened while NP has been in charge here? It happened to Wayne Brown, and deservedly so if what we heard was true. I just don't think NP would overreact to a petty argument, or make a mountain out of a molehill like some have suggested, because it would happen more often, and we'd have heard about it by now.

For another thing, Mills' performances have been poor under Sven and NP, and from what I've seen, I wouldn't expect the manager to pick Mills over SSL, Morgan or Bamba even if he hadn't fallen out with him.

I think you might have misremembered DJ Campbell as a Leicester player. He was rubbish here. He didn't fit in, he was constantly offside, his attitude was all wrong and he even told the press he didn't want to play for us while he was our player. For whatever reason, he was able to perform at Blackpool, but saying he could easily have done that here just isn't true. He was here, and he couldn't or wouldn't perform. He didn't perform, and that's why he left. Similar thing with Mills. For some strange reason, some players can perform very well at one club, and completely flop at another club, even in the same division.

Yes, you're bang on the money as regards certain players seeming to perform better for certain clubs rather than others! The reasons for this could be multiple though. Maybe it's the management, the expectation levels heaped on certain players, the feel of a place (how the fans are, etc) and the fellow players that are to do with that phenomenon.......whereby a particular individual thrives and fits in a treat at one club yet flatters to deceive at another one, especially if they've gone there for big money and to supposedly better themselves, as well as their bank account! - even if they are only seperated by just a few league places in the same division! The likes of DJ Campbell and Matt Mills are text book examples of this pretty common occurrence in football - and particularly with how both appear(ed) not to rub along with NP.

Although I haven't been a regular attendee at Leicester since I moved to the south west seven years ago (like I was before), I had seen DJ Campbell on a number of occasions for us and he wasn't the greatest was he?! - and he will probably always be remembered for being one of those modern day players that goes where the money is. How he transformed into another player altogether during his purple patch at Blackpool two years ago perhaps shows how a player can perform to his full potential when in the environment that's right for them though, as regards the area, the personel and fans. It seems that was the case for DJC although he seems to have been put out to pasture once again since he arrived at Loftus Road, unless he's injured or something? As for Mills, we don't know what caused NP to expunge him from the team altogether recently - and with seemingly no way back either if the reports of him being all cosy with the Reading fans on Saturday and applauding their three goals are true. It must've been pretty serious though. Maybe he undermined Pearson to the extent that the manager felt like he had no option but to drop him - and will now maybe sell him back to where he came from for a loss in the summer........

[Mack]

Yes, you're bang on the money as regards certain players seeming to perform better for certain clubs rather than others! The reasons for this could be multiple though. Maybe it's the management, the expectation levels heaped on certain players, the feel of a place (how the fans are, etc) and the fellow players that are to do with that phenomenon.......whereby a particular individual thrives and fits in a treat at one club yet flatters to deceive at another one, especially if they've gone there for big money and to supposedly better themselves, as well as their bank account! - even if they are only seperated by just a few league places in the same division! The likes of DJ Campbell and Matt Mills are text book examples of this pretty common occurrence in football - and particularly with how both appear(ed) not to rub along with NP.

Although I haven't been a regular attendee at Leicester since I moved to the south west seven years ago (like I was before), I had seen DJ Campbell on a number of occasions for us and he wasn't the greatest was he?! - and he will probably always be remembered for being one of those modern day players that goes where the money is. How he transformed into another player altogether during his purple patch at Blackpool two years ago perhaps shows how a player can perform to his full potential when in the environment that's right for them though, as regards the area, the personel and fans. It seems that was the case for DJC although he seems to have been put out to pasture once again since he arrived at Loftus Road, unless he's injured or something? As for Mills, we don't know what caused NP to expunge him from the team altogether recently - and with seemingly no way back either if the reports of him being all cosy with the Reading fans on Saturday and applauding their three goals are true. It must've been pretty serious though. Maybe he undermined Pearson to the extent that the manager felt like he had no option but to drop him - and will now maybe sell him back to where he came from for a loss in the summer........

What you are saying here suggests that Mills was actually a decent player elsewhere prior to his arrival.

From what I have picked up from the Reading fans he had a bad attitude there and wasn't all that great on the pitch either.

Just seems like a bad decision from Sven and the staff at the time.

Mind you, Sven would have let Mills trample all over the dressing room I suspect.

[Jenksy]

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[accessory]

What you are saying here suggests that Mills was actually a decent player elsewhere prior to his arrival.

He was - always looked quality whenever he played against us. For example, remember how he kept Yakubu in his pocket when we played Reading last season. He also had several Premier managers chasing him and offering big money. Even now, bosses like Neil Warnock and Sam Allardyce are keeping their eyes on him.

From what I have picked up from the Reading fans he had a bad attitude there and wasn't all that great on the pitch either.

A lot of that could have been seen as bitterness that he'd left for what he (and we) thought was a bigger and better club. Those royals weren't whinging when he led them to Wembley, were they?

Just seems like a bad decision from Sven and the staff at the time.

Although the fee and accompanying terms were way over the odds, the team badly lacked leadership (as it still does) and Eriksson thought that Mills would be able to provide that. But he wasn't able to handle him in the way that Brian McDermott did.

Mind you, Sven would have let Mills trample all over the dressing room I suspect.

Yeah, that would be why Mills was dropped after only TWO games. He had very little to do with the manager losing the dressing room.

[Kitchandro]

He was - always looked quality whenever he played against us. For example, remember how he kept Yakubu in his pocket when we played Reading last season. He also had several Premier managers chasing him and offering big money. Even now, bosses like Neil Warnock and Sam Allardyce are keeping their eyes on him.

A lot of that could have been seen as bitterness that he'd left for what he (and we) thought was a bigger and better club. Those royals weren't whinging when he led them to Wembley, were they?

Although the fee and accompanying terms were way over the odds, the team badly lacked leadership (as it still does) and Eriksson thought that Mills would be able to provide that. But he wasn't able to handle him in the way that Brian McDermott did.

Yeah, that would be why Mills was dropped after only TWO games. He had very little to do with the manager losing the dressing room.

Actually they were whinging about him all season, specifically about him mouthing off all the while and having digs at the fans. At the time we thought it was sour grapes but now we know they were talking sense. Why? Because he's shown all the faults that they noticed.

It's not Sven's fault Mills isn't a good leader. It's only Sven's fault he bought him and picked him as captain.

How do you know he didn't have anything to do with the dressing room? Considering he's a loud mouth, arrogant tosser who's reportedly slated his teammates, took the piss out of the manager and celebrated other team's goals against us, I'd suggest it was a good possibilty. Oh wait...it was Wellens' one man mission to destroy the dressing room, wasn't it?

You can always tell someone's irrationally biased when they'll go out of their way to defend someone like Matt Mills who's shown no professionalism or respect for the club.

[accessory]

You have Mills marked down as Dennis Wise mark 2. He's not.

He led Reading to a play-off final ahead of bigger clubs like Cardiff, Leeds and us. Since when were their tinpot fans an authority on anything? They seemed friendly enough to him on Saturday when he was signing autographs for them.

If Mills was (is?) really as toxic an influence as you imply, why were so many experienced managers (who knew more about this league than Eriksson did) queuing to sign him?

Describing him as a "loudmouthed arrogant tosser" hardly suggests you're open-minded about him. But he still has a better record as a captain for us than Wellens does.

For the record, I cannot see any way back for him at the Way and hope he moves on in the summer,. He'll probably end up as another lost talent alongside Gradel, Campbell, Hobbs and others.

[Saxondale]

Here is a link to the pre-match post I did for the Royals Rendezvous site, which was centred largely around Mills, and a few subsequent responses from the Reading fans.

http://royalsrendezvous.co.uk/topic/9441730/1/

[Kitchandro]

You have Mills marked down as Dennis Wise mark 2. He's not.

He led Reading to a play-off final ahead of bigger clubs like Cardiff, Leeds and us. Since when were their tinpot fans an authority on anything? They seemed friendly enough to him on Saturday when he was signing autographs for them.

If Mills was (is?) really as toxic an influence as you imply, why were so many experienced managers (who knew more about this league than Eriksson did) queuing to sign him?

Describing him as a "loudmouthed arrogant tosser" hardly suggests you're open-minded about him. But he still has a better record as a captain for us than Wellens does.

For the record, I cannot see any way back for him at the Way and hope he moves on in the summer,. He'll probably end up as another lost talent alongside Gradel, Campbell, Hobbs and others.

1. Because they watched him play for them for a while, and before we did. 2. Because they've been spot on.

It's not that I want to agree with them, they've simply been proved right. Are they wrong? Explain how they're wrong if so.

Managers sign players who they end up falling out with all the while. You make out like it's unheard of. Managers can't be expected to know players' personalities inside out when they sign them. But Mills has turned out to be an arsehole, and has been dealt with as such.

Talent? There's not much talented about him. He's got little footballing ability, he's just a 'no nonsense' (can't kick it properly but has a big head and throws his weight around a lot) centre back. One of your other buddies Jack Hobbs could be described the same but he showed much more quality whilst he was here. And if you're going to keep bringing up DJ Chavbell I'm going to have to keep thinking you're clueless.

Since when is Dennis Wise the benchmark? **** me, he's had an outburst at the players and manager and disrespected the manager, but that's OK, as long as he didn't try to bankrupt the club on purpose and break his teammates jaw, he's cool!

You do talk some shit.

The problem is you have the nerve to question my open-mindedness but at least I am basing my thoughts about Mills on something other than bias. You have those you hate (Wellens, Pearson, Sven) and you'll argue black is white til your dying day as long as it's against them.