m00nie Posted 19 April 2012 Posted 19 April 2012 Grayson no! Couldnt do it with Leeds Lennon would never leave Celtic to come here The other 3 are ok but no better at this level than NP. MM has a decent record but he didnt get it overnight, he built it up over time.... None of them are any better than Pearson at this level. how many teams has NP got promoted out this league then ?
Babylon Posted 19 April 2012 Posted 19 April 2012 I hope essex has the bollocks to print the yes list when NP gets ousted after 12 games and 14 points next season Why? Most people are saying he needs to be given a chance, not that he's actually going to do anything. If he's got his own squad in the summer and we're playing shit next year then it's a completely different kettle of fish. As it was for Sven.
Babylon Posted 19 April 2012 Posted 19 April 2012 how many teams has NP got promoted out this league then ? How many of the last 8 managers to get promoted from this league have ever been promoted from this league before (presuming Saints don't blow a 5 point gap). Answer = One.
Mark_w Posted 19 April 2012 Posted 19 April 2012 Why? Most people are saying he needs to be given a chance, not that he's actually going to do anything. If he's got his own squad in the summer and we're playing shit next year then it's a completely different kettle of fish. As it was for Sven. Exactly, thinking Nigel isn't going to succeed is no excuse for not giving him a proper chance.
Webbo Posted 19 April 2012 Posted 19 April 2012 When peeps say Mick McCarthy isn't better than NP of course he is, he has a record of getting teams automatically promoted from this division in Sunderland and Wolves? Did he manage it in 5 months?
chris_lcfc_85 Posted 19 April 2012 Posted 19 April 2012 how many teams has NP got promoted out this league then ? How many has Sven got? How many did Brendan Rodgers have? How about Brian McDermott? How about Paul Lambert..... The list goes on! Mick McCarthy needed time with both Sunderland and Wolves to get up. The key word being TIME and he proved it so far play to him. Maybe give NP and he might just prove it.....
Libertine Dream Posted 19 April 2012 Posted 19 April 2012 How many of the last 8 managers to get promoted from this league have ever been promoted from this league before (presuming Saints don't blow a 5 point gap). Answer = One. Oh and heres me thinking you are guarenteed to got promoted if you have a manager who's done it before. If only Swansea had sacked their manager last year, they'd be in PL now.
Happy Fox Posted 19 April 2012 Posted 19 April 2012 Did he manage it in 5 months? No of course not, I accept that, but he also got the teams in question conformably in the playoffs before their title challenge in all of his time as a championship manager, but if we do ever entertain the notion of sacking NP than Mick wouldn't be a bad proposition. But anyway the Thais will do as they wish and if that means backing NP than that is fine because he will get this team up eventually it might not be next season but the season after that It could happen it all depends on the Thais but seeing as they sacked Sven 14 games into this season they may give NP that similar time frame if we aren't in the top 4?
Burmesefox Posted 19 April 2012 Posted 19 April 2012 Can't believe you lot are stirring the hornet's nest by speculating on this - this is how tabloids start rumours! FFS, we need stability. NP needs to get rid of the deadwood and with 5/6 out and the same in we will be a top 6 team next season. The facts are we should never have pushed NP out when we did, we should never have appointed Sven, We should never have sacked Sven, we should not sack NP. It may seem to some an oxymoron to say we shouldn't have appointement Sven and that we shouldn't have sacked him but that's the thruth. If the Thai's sack NIge they will demonstrate a total ignorance to the mechanics of football and it will be pretty plain to see that they believe that titles are a right given to the rich. I want NP to be given all of next season, not just the first two months. Just look at Reading, they were looking like relegation fodder until around October/November when they started to turn things round.
flowwolf Posted 19 April 2012 Posted 19 April 2012 Why? Most people are saying he needs to be given a chance, not that he's actually going to do anything. If he's got his own squad in the summer and we're playing shit next year then it's a completely different kettle of fish. As it was for Sven. Hang on why bother having a poll if you are going to have some fvckwit like essexdummy being allowed to post things like named and shamed ? not exactly in the spirit of democracy is it . I have no problem in putting my name to any poll on here so why is that retard hinting I should be ashamed to have an opinion ?
m00nie Posted 19 April 2012 Posted 19 April 2012 How many of the last 8 managers to get promoted from this league have ever been promoted from this league before (presuming Saints don't blow a 5 point gap). Answer = One. so hes better because he may take a team up one day?
m00nie Posted 19 April 2012 Posted 19 April 2012 How many has Sven got? How many did Brendan Rodgers have? How about Brian McDermott? How about Paul Lambert..... The list goes on! Mick McCarthy needed time with both Sunderland and Wolves to get up. The key word being TIME and he proved it so far play to him. Maybe give NP and he might just prove it..... so hes proved himself already yet your saying hes no better than NP..
Mark_w Posted 19 April 2012 Posted 19 April 2012 so hes better because he may take a team up one day? Babylon didn't say he was better to be fair.
LCFC_FAN_1995 Posted 19 April 2012 Posted 19 April 2012 He is the best manager in the Championship is Holloway, shouldn't of got rid. Don't you know McDermott then, he's the best manager so far.
m00nie Posted 19 April 2012 Posted 19 April 2012 Babylon didn't say he was better to be fair. to be fair, were talking about him being better, i didnt actually say so YOU say hes because he may take a team up one day?
Raw Dykes Posted 19 April 2012 Posted 19 April 2012 Babylon pointed out that out of the last eight managers to get a team promoted from the Championship, only one had ever done it beforehand. Some seem to be suggesting it would be a good idea to replace Pearson with someone who's already got a team promoted to the PL before. No-one is saying NP is better than, say, McCarthy, because he might one day get a team promoted to the PL. Maybe McCarthy would take us up next season, but maybe he'd fail. Maybe Pearson won't take us up next season, but maybe he will. What I'm saying is already having a promotion to the PL on your CV isn't a guarantee that you can repeat that with every attempt, or even ever again, and that not having that boast doesn't mean you will never achieve it in the future. It took McCarthy 3 seasons to get Wolves up, and 2 seasons to get Sunderland back up. Some of the people who want McCarthy as manager now would have wanted him sacked before he had achieved anything if they were fans of those clubs. Some people might say McCarthy's a bad example. Okay then, look at Warnock at Leeds. Not going so well there, is it? Would you want him sacked if you were a Leeds fan right now? It takes time to build a successful team that will win promotion. Pearson's had 5 months with someone else's squad, and no close season, and already there are people who are certain we need to get rid of him. It's far too early to judge! We've got no idea what's going to happen after some business in the summer, so why can't people just have a bit of patience? Past success doesn't guarantee future success, and lack of past success doesn't guarantee no future success.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 19 April 2012 Posted 19 April 2012 He hasn't been sacked and we don't need to replace him. This is the most pointless thread since the Maynard thread.
seenitall Posted 19 April 2012 Posted 19 April 2012 But he might be (if the owners have any brains/balls/football knowledge and then it would be a great thread
Trav Le Bleu Posted 19 April 2012 Posted 19 April 2012 But he might be (if the owners have any brains/balls/football knowledge and then it would be a great thread Sorry, I bow to your obviously superior football knowledge.
seenitall Posted 19 April 2012 Posted 19 April 2012 Sorry, I bow to your obviously superior football knowledge. At last......
m00nie Posted 19 April 2012 Posted 19 April 2012 Babylon pointed out that out of the last eight managers to get a team promoted from the Championship, only one had ever done it beforehand. Some seem to be suggesting it would be a good idea to replace Pearson with someone who's already got a team promoted to the PL before. No-one is saying NP is better than, say, McCarthy, because he might one day get a team promoted to the PL. Maybe McCarthy would take us up next season, but maybe he'd fail. Maybe Pearson won't take us up next season, but maybe he will. What I'm saying is already having a promotion to the PL on your CV isn't a guarantee that you can repeat that with every attempt, or even ever again, and that not having that boast doesn't mean you will never achieve it in the future. It took McCarthy 3 seasons to get Wolves up, and 2 seasons to get Sunderland back up. Some of the people who want McCarthy as manager now would have wanted him sacked before he had achieved anything if they were fans of those clubs. Some people might say McCarthy's a bad example. Okay then, look at Warnock at Leeds. Not going so well there, is it? Would you want him sacked if you were a Leeds fan right now? It takes time to build a successful team that will win promotion. Pearson's had 5 months with someone else's squad, and no close season, and already there are people who are certain we need to get rid of him. It's far too early to judge! We've got no idea what's going to happen after some business in the summer, so why can't people just have a bit of patience? Past success doesn't guarantee future success, and lack of past success doesn't guarantee no future success. how do you define a good manager then ?? surely they need to prove themselves before they can be deemed as good.
Raw Dykes Posted 19 April 2012 Posted 19 April 2012 how do you define a good manager then ?? surely they need to prove themselves before they can be deemed as good. Exactly. Pearson should be given a chance to prove himself.
m00nie Posted 19 April 2012 Posted 19 April 2012 Exactly. Pearson should be given a chance to prove himself. but untill he proves himself how can they say hes as good as those thats all ready done it..
Raw Dykes Posted 19 April 2012 Posted 19 April 2012 but untill he proves himself how can they say hes as good as those thats all ready done it.. Well, that's the thing, really. We don't know who's better yet. If we're served up the same rubbish, or worse, again next season I say we should look for a new manager, but until then, we don't know what's going to happen. Pearson might be able to turn the squad into something good over the summer, or he might not. I do see what you mean - a CV with a promotion on it is better than one without, but every manager who gets a club promoted has to do it for the first time at some point. I mean there was a time when Ferguson, Shankly, O'Neill and Clough all had blank CVs. I think what I'm trying to say is that you can't know how well any team will perform based on what their manager has done in the past, or how big the manager's reputation is. Looks like Brian McDermott will claim the title this season, with Nigel Atkins runner-up, beating the likes of Sven Goran Eriksson, Neil Warnock, Sam Allardyce, Steve McClaren, Chris Hughton and Paul Jewell. Who would have guessed that at the start of the season?
flowwolf Posted 19 April 2012 Posted 19 April 2012 Well, that's the thing, really. We don't know who's better yet. If we're served up the same rubbish, or worse, again next season I say we should look for a new manager, but until then, we don't know what's going to happen. Pearson might be able to turn the squad into something good over the summer, or he might not. I do see what you mean - a CV with a promotion on it is better than one without, but every manager who gets a club promoted has to do it for the first time at some point. I mean there was a time when Ferguson, Shankly, O'Neill and Clough all had blank CVs. I think what I'm trying to say is that you can't know how well any team will perform based on what their manager has done in the past, or how big the manager's reputation is. Looks like Brian McDermott will claim the title this season, with Nigel Atkins runner-up, beating the likes of Sven Goran Eriksson, Neil Warnock, Sam Allardyce, Steve McClaren, Chris Hughton and Paul Jewell. Who would have guessed that at the start of the season? Great post , great logic :chant: :chant:
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