Dr The Singh Posted 24 July 2012 Posted 24 July 2012 I think hejammy is a getting a pretty hard time considering the blatant racism from DrSingh. Strangely a lot of it coming from people who you would usually expect to be the most offended by those kind of comments had they come from a white person... weird Really, blatant racism, i often use that term at my Muslim p**kistani friends, plus p**kistan is not a race it's a country, pork and p**k is what i call tongue in cheek but i can understand why it could offend and hence stopped using it, and put my hands up. I've used this term loads of times, none of the other muslim posters have ever mentioned anything, i suppose maybe we all should get abit sensitve and if that's the case I will be suing the papers etc at the term Turbinator, calling a article of Sikh faith in line with humour or tongue in cheek is blatant racism!!
Dr The Singh Posted 24 July 2012 Posted 24 July 2012 I think hejammy is a getting a pretty hard time considering the blatant racism from DrSingh. Strangely a lot of it coming from people who you would usually expect to be the most offended by those kind of comments had they come from a white person... weird He got a hard time for the crap he was posting, he accused me of being anti muslim, and when asked to prove evidence, ......the rest is history!!
Captain... Posted 24 July 2012 Posted 24 July 2012 Really, blatant racism, i often use that term at my Muslim p**kistani friends, plus p**kistan is not a race it's a country, pork and p**k is what i call tongue in cheek but i can understand why it could offend and hence stopped using it, and put my hands up. I've used this term loads of times, none of the other muslim posters have ever mentioned anything, i suppose maybe we all should get abit sensitve and if that's the case I will be suing the papers etc at the term Turbinator, calling a article of Sikh faith in line with humour or tongue in cheek is blatant racism!! The thing with offence is you don't get to choose who does or doesn't take it, I had never heard the term before, so I didn't know if it was offensive or not, but if it is offending someone then by definition it is offensive. But you did stop using that term, so I think by that logic and my current good news spin on things, it means we cured a racist
Dr The Singh Posted 24 July 2012 Posted 24 July 2012 The thing with offence is you don't get to choose who does or doesn't take it, I had never heard the term before, so I didn't know if it was offensive or not, but if it is offending someone then by definition it is offensive. But you did stop using that term, so I think by that logic and my current good news spin on things, it means we cured a racist The thing with offence is you don't get to choose who does or doesn't take it, I had never heard the term before, so I didn't know if it was offensive or not, but if it is offending someone then by definition it is offensive. But you did stop using that term, so I think by that logic and my current good news spin on things, it means we cured a racist Some very good points there Captain, and i agree! I don't know about being cured but definitely more aware!!!
Daggers Posted 24 July 2012 Posted 24 July 2012 p**kistan is not a race it's a country In a nutshell. Lovely that the collected trolls don't appreciate that. And I thought the thick twat was leaving and taking his lack of knowledge about proper nouns & capitalisation with him? Dang.
MooseBreath Posted 24 July 2012 Posted 24 July 2012 I'm well aware that nationality differs from race, but that doesn't make what he said any less offensive, unless you believe that it's evil to discriminate based on pure race but perfectly fine to discriminate on nationality.
Captain... Posted 24 July 2012 Posted 24 July 2012 I'm well aware that nationality differs from race, but that doesn't make what he said any less offensive, unless you believe that it's evil to discriminate based on pure race but perfectly fine to discriminate on nationality. Apparently discrimination based on country is also racist, even if it is aimed at the Irish, who'd a thunk it. http://www.telegraph...n-One-Show.html The double Olympic champion, who has been tipped to light the Olympic torch during the opending ceremony on Friday, was criticised by viewers of The One Show.BBC bosses were forced to apologise after a string of complaints. Thompson made the gaffe during last Thursday's show when he was shown a photo of a torch bearer with 'Oylmpic torch bearer' tattooed on her arm. The Decathlon gold-medalist quipped that the tattooer must have been Irish.
Daggers Posted 24 July 2012 Posted 24 July 2012 12 year old boys, huh? Thanks to the wonders of Twitter: During a war with Brazil, Francisco Solano Lopez of Paraguay sent out a battalion of 12yr old boys wearing false beards. That is a fvcking top 12yr old boy fact. Does anyone else have another one?
Daggers Posted 24 July 2012 Posted 24 July 2012 ...and if any of you thickies wants to accuse my mate of being racist countryist then I have a lager with your name on it.
Captain... Posted 24 July 2012 Posted 24 July 2012 Found this and Glenn Beck really is a self promoting smug cvnt, and is probably a could example of everything that is wrong with america, watch with a sick bucket/shotgun/non prescription medication to hand.
Daggers Posted 24 July 2012 Posted 24 July 2012 The internetz police is going to be going bananas over football forum gay paedo possibilities as Google is flooded with dubious search strings!
The Doctor Posted 24 July 2012 Posted 24 July 2012 The thing with offence is you don't get to choose who does or doesn't take it, I had never heard the term before, so I didn't know if it was offensive or not, but if it is offending someone then by definition it is offensive. But you did stop using that term, so I think by that logic and my current good news spin on things, it means we cured a racist I think the bigger point about offence is: why should you care if someone finds something offensive?
ADK Posted 24 July 2012 Posted 24 July 2012 Surely using a derogatory word to refer to a country is at least slightly provocative? Just out of interest, would people have a problem with using the term "paki"?
Captain... Posted 24 July 2012 Posted 24 July 2012 I think the bigger point about offence is: why should you care if someone finds something offensive? Because if you don't you're an ignorant cvnt, of course there are things that you have a right to say that some find offensive, but saying something to deliberately cause offence is twattish. Unknowingly causing offence is understandable and forgiveable, but to continue saying something, once you know you are offending someone, when there is no need to say it is, again, twattish. Surely using a derogatory word to refer to a country is at least slightly provocative? Just out of interest, would people have a problem with using the term "paki"? In the context you have just used it, no. It is all about context. (although I do find that word much more offensive than nigger and probably any other word, but again that is contextual from my childhood)
The Doctor Posted 24 July 2012 Posted 24 July 2012 Because if you don't you're an ignorant cvnt, of course there are things that you have a right to say that some find offensive, but saying something to deliberately cause offence is twattish. Unknowingly causing offence is understandable and forgiveable, but to continue saying something, once you know you are offending someone, when there is no need to say it is, again, twattish. To an extent I disagree - obviously there are a few things that clearly shouldn't be said, but frankly, the whole "I'm offended by that" notion is bullshit. It's not a point, it doesn't (or at least shouldn't) change a thing, it's nothing more than pathetic whining.
Captain... Posted 24 July 2012 Posted 24 July 2012 To an extent I disagree - obviously there are a few things that clearly shouldn't be said, but frankly, the whole "I'm offended by that" notion is bullshit. It's not a point, it doesn't (or at least shouldn't) change a thing, it's nothing more than pathetic whining. It depends, like I said, on context, you make a joke about dead babies down the pub one week, everyone laughs, you make the same joke another week and nobody laughs because one of them had just lost their child and he is offended, so do you continue to reel off you 20 odd dead baby jokes, or do you stop because you realise it is offensive? I don't worry about offending people, but if I do offend someone I will apologise and if possible avoid offending them again, unless it is unreasonable, such as finding me talking about Leicester City offensive.
hejammy Posted 24 July 2012 Posted 24 July 2012 ...and if any of you thickies wants to accuse my mate of being racist countryist then I have a lager with your name on it. This sentence right here is evidence enough of your ignorance, you condone racism, next time you think about calling me thick twat, take a look at your previous posts. Perhaps the definition of "thick twat" eludes you. I was going to leave until you opened your dumb ass trap and made a fool of yourself.
hejammy Posted 24 July 2012 Posted 24 July 2012 To an extent I disagree - obviously there are a few things that clearly shouldn't be said, but frankly, the whole "I'm offended by that" notion is bullshit. It's not a point, it doesn't (or at least shouldn't) change a thing, it's nothing more than pathetic whining. So let me ask you this, if your mother or your father or your child had a mental illness, and someone called them an 'effin retard, or something along them lines, you think that you would be ok with that? or would you resort to "pathetic whining?" Personally I believe if you think something is offensive to someone else you should try to resolve the situation, regardless of if you think its offensive or not. I guess thats just how I was brought up, with MANORS. Like I said, I think Dr Singh WAS using "porkistan" in a derogatory way. If his so called Pakistani friends are ok with that then I think perhaps these friends need to stand up and stick up for their country. Is it ok for a white person to call his friends "nigger"? I think not, an offensive word is an offensive word, no matter how much you dress it up!
Captain... Posted 24 July 2012 Posted 24 July 2012 So let me ask you this, if your mother or your father or your child had a mental illness, and someone called them an 'effin retard, or something along them lines, you think that you would be ok with that? or would you resort to "pathetic whining?" Personally I believe if you think something is offensive to someone else you should try to resolve the situation, regardless of if you think its offensive or not. I guess thats just how I was brought up, with MANORS. Like I said, I think Dr Singh WAS using "porkistan" in a derogatory way. If his so called Pakistani friends are ok with that then I think perhaps these friends need to stand up and stick up for their country. Is it ok for a white person to call his friends "nigger"? I think not, an offensive word is an offensive word, no matter how much you dress it up! As I said to Dr Singh, he doesn't get to decide if someone takes offence to his comments or not, likewise you don't get to decide if other people should be offended by it, it is all about context, I call my close friends cvnts all the time, sometimes worse, but they never get offended (probably because they know it is true), but I have dropped the C-bomb on less well acquainted amigos and I sometimes cause offence, which is my bad. There is no such thing as an offensive word, even innocent words, like black or monkey, can be used to cause offence, the offence is in the intent, not the word, and if Dr Singh has said he didn't intend to cause offence, but has stopped using the word because you were offended by it, then I think it is time to drop it.
The Doctor Posted 24 July 2012 Posted 24 July 2012 So let me ask you this, if your mother or your father or your child had a mental illness, and someone called them an 'effin retard, or something along them lines, you think that you would be ok with that? or would you resort to "pathetic whining?" Personally I believe if you think something is offensive to someone else you should try to resolve the situation, regardless of if you think its offensive or not. I guess thats just how I was brought up, with MANORS. Like I said, I think Dr Singh WAS using "porkistan" in a derogatory way. If his so called Pakistani friends are ok with that then I think perhaps these friends need to stand up and stick up for their country. Is it ok for a white person to call his friends "nigger"? I think not, an offensive word is an offensive word, no matter how much you dress it up! Well, perhaps your parents could have taught you manners rather than stately homes. yes it's insulting, but my point remains - saying you're offended means nothing, and should not change anything - I could say I find Cam-moron's incessant bullshit offensive, does that mean he should be forced to shut up? No. I mean, he still should, but not because I'm offended, more because what he's saying is both wrong and stupid. Frankly, like swearing - it's just a fucking word, it means nothing unless you intend it to mean something.
Bryn Posted 24 July 2012 Posted 24 July 2012 Skimmed this, I have no intention of wading into the debate, but the repeated use of the term "porkistan" is patently on the xenophobic/racist spectrum and its tolerance by the staff of the forum is disgraceful. The fact that members are rallying around the user of the term because he's a regular is laughable.
Dr The Singh Posted 25 July 2012 Posted 25 July 2012 So let me ask you this, if your mother or your father or your child had a mental illness, and someone called them an 'effin retard, or something along them lines, you think that you would be ok with that? or would you resort to "pathetic whining?" Personally I believe if you think something is offensive to someone else you should try to resolve the situation, regardless of if you think its offensive or not. I guess thats just how I was brought up, with MANORS. Like I said, I think Dr Singh WAS using "porkistan" in a derogatory way. If his so called Pakistani friends are ok with that then I think perhaps these friends need to stand up and stick up for their country. Is it ok for a white person to call his friends "nigger"? I think not, an offensive word is an offensive word, no matter how much you dress it up! Hejammy, stop being so pathetic, I could turn around the stuff you have said regarding Sikhs and alcohol, or your comments accusing me of being anti muslim but I don't, the comments you have made are offensive. Racism is about intent, and in my comments there were no intent, 'porkistan', there is no 'power' in the word, it is made up word and not affiliated with racism and racial history like words like n*gger or p*ki, so I warn you again, if u accuse me of racial abuse, take it to the police, report me!!! Just stop whinging about it!!! I think you need to concentrate on being a good muslim, and helping your muslim brethren!
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