White girls fair game - differing views.

[hejammy]

You missed the bit about 'SO COMMING TO BRITAIN..' at the beginning of the paragraph!!!!! Read it again!!!

whatever you said at the beginning of the paragraph doesnt mean anything when you specifically say "on the indian subcontinant" in that particular sentence, so I'd appreciate it if you took your "numpty" comment back. Also calling Pakistan "porkistan" is not tongue in cheek, specifically muslims are not permitted to eat Pork and you have used this word to disregard Muslims religious views and make a mockery of them. Using asterisks instead of the actual letters still does not make it ok!

You say you use facts - but all you merely do is find facts which mildly support your argument and negate others which don't.

I have lots of Sikh friends and they would be all embarrassed by your behaviour. I think you really need to take a good hard look at yourself and consider changing your attitude.

[MooseBreath]

Tongue in cheek or not, if acooling had used the word "porkistan" this thread would have already advanced several pages each filled with angry comments by the white liberals who wouldn't be far short of forming a violent lynch mob.

But I guess because Dr Singh is 'one of them' it's ok. The guardian would be proud.

[Alf Bentley]

My Porkistani thing is very tongue in cheek, and I hate the work PAKI in Pakistan!!! Nothing to do with sectrain hatred, I have no issues with muslims or Pakistanis per say. I'm shocked my observations are taken as such.

I don't think there has been any Sikhs in BNP marches, EDL definitely, infact Guramit Singh is quite high in EDL ranks...........and yes I agree it is due to there hatred of muslims due to there heritage background and history. Which I totally do not endorse, but unfortunately many Sikhs have this ingrained hatred for muslims.

Agree with everything you have said afterwards but tolerance and equality must come both sides

Fair enough, Dr. I suppose language that would be humorous when used "tongue in cheek" with friends can seem hostile when used in passionate rhetoric, to strangers on a public forum. I'm glad to hear that you disassociate yourself from the tiny minority of Sikhs who support EDL etc. I've generally found Sikhs whom I've known/met to be open, friendly people, though I'm sure you have your share of idiots as every group does - as an Anglo-Irishman, I was seriously pissed off when you started hearing Irish people (the emigrant race!) moaning about Eastern European immigrants in Ireland.

I hope the controversy over your language doesn't distract from your point about segregation, because I think that could become a massive problem over coming years; all the ingredients are there, unfortunately: high unemployment/poverty; (some) segregated Muslim communities with growing population; cuts in national/local public services; economic instability; racist groups stoking up suspicion & resentment...all seems worryingly like the 1920s/1930s...

Of course, on the narrow issue of the grooming/abuse of vulnerable girls: the perpetrators should be rooted out, punished and re-educated ASAP, whether they or their victims are Muslim, Christian, Atheist, Sikh or whatever.

[Reynard Bleu]

whatever you said at the beginning of the paragraph doesnt mean anything when you specifically say "on the indian subcontinant" in that particular sentence, so I'd appreciate it if you took your "numpty" comment back. Also calling Pakistan "porkistan" is not tongue in cheek, specifically muslims are not permitted to eat Pork and you have used this word to disregard Muslims religious views and make a mockery of them. Using asterisks instead of the actual letters still does not make it ok!

You say you use facts - but all you merely do is find facts which mildly support your argument and negate others which don't.

I have lots of Sikh friends and they would be all embarrassed by your behaviour. I think you really need to take a good hard look at yourself and consider changing your attitude.

You may be right or not? . But you are getting on my tits now.

[Dr The Singh]

I love you too davieg!!

I know it's rich comming from me.........I think as a society and on this forum we need to be able to question and debate in an open manner of issues that effect society, whether it includes race, culture and religion. Tip toeing around sensitivities only hides issues more underground!!

[Dr The Singh]

whatever you said at the beginning of the paragraph doesnt mean anything when you specifically say "on the indian subcontinant" in that particular sentence, so I'd appreciate it if you took your "numpty" comment back. Also calling Pakistan "porkistan" is not tongue in cheek, specifically muslims are not permitted to eat Pork and you have used this word to disregard Muslims religious views and make a mockery of them. Using asterisks instead of the actual letters still does not make it ok!

You say you use facts - but all you merely do is find facts which mildly support your argument and negate others which don't.

I have lots of Sikh friends and they would be all embarrassed by your behaviour. I think you really need to take a good hard look at yourself and consider changing your attitude.

Please, please do stop, i could easily say I have many muslim friends and often call P**kistan, porkistan, infact I call Indians, Bhindians.......as stated I took the Porkistan comment back, in my opinion your still a numpty!!

Thank you for the advice on attitude, I live in a world where I question and challenge, I don't hide behind race, colour or creed, and definitely do not protect or try to deflect on issues effecting my kin, heritage etc.

I feel i am wasting my breath on you, hiding or ignoring issues effecting the muslim population whether minor, or big or by a minority of them does not mean they do not exists. By bringing them out in the open, society will be more aware and hopefully mitigate or help.

[Dr The Singh]

Fair enough, Dr. I suppose language that would be humorous when used "tongue in cheek" with friends can seem hostile when used in passionate rhetoric, to strangers on a public forum. I'm glad to hear that you disassociate yourself from the tiny minority of Sikhs who support EDL etc. I've generally found Sikhs whom I've known/met to be open, friendly people, though I'm sure you have your share of idiots as every group does - as an Anglo-Irishman, I was seriously pissed off when you started hearing Irish people (the emigrant race!) moaning about Eastern European immigrants in Ireland.

I hope the controversy over your language doesn't distract from your point about segregation, because I think that could become a massive problem over coming years; all the ingredients are there, unfortunately: high unemployment/poverty; (some) segregated Muslim communities with growing population; cuts in national/local public services; economic instability; racist groups stoking up suspicion & resentment...all seems worryingly like the 1920s/1930s...

Of course, on the narrow issue of the grooming/abuse of vulnerable girls: the perpetrators should be rooted out, punished and re-educated ASAP, whether they or their victims are Muslim, Christian, Atheist, Sikh or whatever.

Sir Alf, there's bad in all communities, infact that as the human race we all have that failing. Another failing of the human race is the protection and ignorance when it comes to faults or issues regarding there 'own', whether that be same religion, culture, country. Plenty of idiots and numptys within the Sikhs buddy, being a minority, the idiots tend to surface less, which is a good thing I supose

Sir, any community or set of people that start isolating themselves, or become diss-associated with the rest of society, will become a threat and a problem. They will be stemmed into poverty, resulting in crime and ghettosation. Hatred will happen from both sides, and with the issues regarding radicalisation, those isolated will be far more easier to recruit and puppet. If as a society we are too afraid to talk about these issues and the consequences of those actions, because of being seen to be racist etc, then there's something really foooked up with society. I'm not afraid to say that pakistani brits have an issue, it maybe a minority, but there is a big enough of a problem. Unfortunately some people on here are accusing me of racial incitement, an that shows the level in which as a society we are undeveloped.

[Captain...]

Tongue in cheek or not, if acooling had used the word "porkistan" this thread would have already advanced several pages each filled with angry comments by the white liberals who wouldn't be far short of forming a violent lynch mob.

But I guess because Dr Singh is 'one of them' it's ok. The guardian would be proud.

Dr Singh has proven himself to normally be a fair and considerate poster, and so was given the benefit of the doubt over the porkistan comment when I called him up on it, I have often given acooling the benefit of the doubt, because I honestly believe his views are one of immaturity and that he often plays up the racist/bigoted internet persona he has acquired.

[Dr The Singh]

Tongue in cheek or not, if acooling had used the word "porkistan" this thread would have already advanced several pages each filled with angry comments by the white liberals who wouldn't be far short of forming a violent lynch mob.

But I guess because Dr Singh is 'one of them' it's ok. The guardian would be proud.

Point taken, unlike Acooling, I have accepted the error of my ways and did not want to offend, even though I don't see it. That's the thing about being considerate, and sensible!!

[Dr The Singh]

Dr Singh has proven himself to normally be a fair and considerate poster, and so was given the benefit of the doubt over the porkistan comment when I called him up on it, I have often given acooling the benefit of the doubt, because I honestly believe his views are one of immaturity and that he often plays up the racist/bigoted internet persona he has acquired.

Thanks Shrapnel

[Rincewind]

The fact remains some newspapers only report the negatives about segregation and this stirs things up amongst those that like to think negative about other groups and not broaden their mind. If there is a positive report about mixed communities it is regarded as leftish liberalism by those with extreme views who like to believe the worst in people.

I am not getting into a mudslinging argument with those few individuals as it is a waste of time.

[davieG]

The fact remains some newspapers only report the negatives about segregation and this stirs things up amongst those that like to think negative about other groups and not broaden their mind. If there is a positive report about mixed communities it is regarded as leftish liberalism by those with extreme views who like to believe the worst in people.

I am not getting into a mudslinging argument with those few individuals as it is a waste of time.

Some/most newspapers and magazines only report on the bad and negative about every facet of society - why? Because they know that's what sells. If newspapers were full of good news sales would probably plummet even further.

It would seem that people in general like reading about other people's mishaps and downfalls.

Even this forum has more threads about things that have gone wrong and what is bad in our society. Society itself is too blame.

I'm guilty of it myself sometimes with the threads I've started although the good stuff I post usually slips off the front page quickly.

[Daggers]

Again I am asking you to stop using the word "Porkistan" if you continue to do so I WILL report your for inciting religious hatred

I guess you are either used to being laughed at or are seriously dim.

Go on - phone up the police. Do it. I'll pay for the call or I'll happily ride over to Leicester so you can use my phone for free.

Inciting religious hatred?

[Captain...]

Some/most newspapers and magazines only report on the bad and negative about every facet of society - why? Because they know that's what sells. If newspapers were full of good news sales would probably plummet even further.

It would seem that people in general like reading about other people's mishaps and downfalls.

Even this forum has more threads about things that have gone wrong and what is bad in our society. Society itself is too blame.

I'm guilty of it myself sometimes with the threads I've started although the good stuff I post usually slips off the front page quickly.

I don't think it is necessarily the story that is the problem, but the spin papers put on it, take the story that started all this, a peadophile gang was caught.

That is good news we caught some Peados the streets are safer than they were, the girls that were abused are now getting the help and care to deal with it the peados are being kept secure and safe and being rehabilitated, the world is a better place than it was before they were caught

Instead it is spun into evil muslim terrorist peado gangs are everywhere, no one is safe, all muslims groom white girls, if you have a girl, and she is white, it could be her!!!!!

Even though the statistical odds of that happening have just been reduced by removing 6 nonces from the streets.

It is news, and it is important and relevant to the UK, but it is this constant attempt to browbeat people into a state of fear and panic that drives me up the wall.

Take the sudanese immigrant peado story from last week, convicted peadophile deemed safe to return to the streets, yay, rehabilitation works, but he will still be monitored and on the sex offenders register because we are not stupid, yay society wins and nobody had to be tortured or chemically castrated.

Instead it got twisted into more scaremongering.

[Rincewind]

DaveG

True. Not disagreeing with you. Sice being out of work I have met people who have made a difference to certain aspects in societ. An online news agency started by someone who spent time in prison and upon release wanted a voice to be heard abouth myths about prison. There is now an agency for young people ex offenders asylum seekers and many others. Docfilm festivals have been put on. The local politicians have woken up and though if I dont get involved I'll be out. The idea of the agency has been taken aboard by other cities and seek help how to run one of their own. I have learnt that not all homeless people are drunks and drug abusers. That also goes for all the different races we have in leicester. So when I see articles that say there is a muslim terrorist on every street corner I get annoyed as it preaches to the converted.

[davieG]

I don't think it is necessarily the story that is the problem, but the spin papers put on it, take the story that started all this, a peadophile gang was caught.

That is good news we caught some Peados the streets are safer than they were, the girls that were abused are now getting the help and care to deal with it the peados are being kept secure and safe and being rehabilitated, the world is a better place than it was before they were caught

Instead it is spun into evil muslim terrorist peado gangs are everywhere, no one is safe, all muslims groom white girls, if you have a girl, and she is white, it could be her!!!!!

Even though the statistical odds of that happening have just been reduced by removing 6 nonces from the streets.

It is news, and it is important and relevant to the UK, but it is this constant attempt to browbeat people into a state of fear and panic that drives me up the wall.

Take the sudanese immigrant peado story from last week, convicted peadophile deemed safe to return to the streets, yay, rehabilitation works, but he will still be monitored and on the sex offenders register because we are not stupid, yay society wins and nobody had to be tortured or chemically castrated.

Instead it got twisted into more scaremongering.

You've proved my point they obviously know they'll sell more newspapers/get more notice/publicity by focusing on the 'bad'. Society in general or at least those buying all the 'bad news' newspapers/mags. does not appear to be as interested in the good story in there, look at the coverage of the Olympics there's been a whole raft of bad news stories relating to little more than hiccups.

[Rincewind]

I think Alan Sugar on Twitter said, we have a great event in England for the first time in years yet al the £$%^ talks about is the security fiasco and terrorist pickpockets.

[hejammy]

I guess people quickly forget the arrests over the muamba tweets, one thing is for sure yes speak freely, but there has to be some sensitivity, calling Pakistan porkistan is unacceptable. Would you ever refer to Africa as 'niggerica'? No? Then why say porkistan when it's clearly offensive to Muslims? I must make it clear I am British born and bred, my parents came to england in the 60's from Africa and they have Indian backgrounds. No way am I affiliated with Pakistan but will not keep quiet to racism.

[Bellend Sebastian]

Tongue in cheek or not, if acooling had used the word "porkistan" this thread would have already advanced several pages each filled with angry comments by the white liberals who wouldn't be far short of forming a violent lynch mob.

But I guess because Dr Singh is 'one of them' it's ok. The guardian would be proud.

I was just about following what you were saying until we got to the last sentence, then I got confused and I expect that you did a little bit too

[Dr The Singh]

I guess people quickly forget the arrests over the muamba tweets, one thing is for sure yes speak freely, but there has to be some sensitivity, calling Pakistan porkistan is unacceptable. Would you ever refer to Africa as 'niggerica'? No? Then why say porkistan when it's clearly offensive to Muslims? I must make it clear I am British born and bred, my parents came to england in the 60's from Africa and they have Indian backgrounds. No way am I affiliated with Pakistan but will not keep quiet to racism.

Yep, whatever mate!!

[hejammy]

Also I agree there is a problem with a small proportion of pakistanis in the UK. Pakistan is poverty stricken and education is non existent. They don't integrated with society because they don't know how to. How about educating these people rather than complaining about them. Perhaps they gather in one area as they feel they are not given an opportunity to integrate. A lady with a hijab will be stared at and frowned upon in a mixed area. People will say she is oppressed even if it's her decision to wear a hijab. So perhaps they think if they stick to their 'own' they won't get abused or stared at. Perhaps both sides need to change their attitudes somewhat. Things will not change by name calling and complaining

[hejammy]

Yep, whatever mate!!

ignorant much?

[Darkon84]

Also I agree there is a problem with a small proportion of pakistanis in the UK. Pakistan is poverty stricken and education is non existent. They don't integrated with society because they don't know how to. How about educating these people rather than complaining about them. Perhaps they gather in one area as they feel they are not given an opportunity to integrate. A lady with a hijab will be stared at and frowned upon in a mixed area. People will say she is oppressed even if it's her decision to wear a hijab. So perhaps they think if they stick to their 'own' they won't get abused or stared at. Perhaps both sides need to change their attitudes somewhat. Things will not change by name calling and complaining

You kinda had a point before, but stop it now. Non existant education in Pakistan? None of them know how to integrate with society? Yea, OK.

I could see where you were coming from with the 'Porkistan' thing, as I can understand someone might get offended. Singh said it was tongue in cheek and hes been a decent poster on here for quite some time and gives valid views on occasion (though usually about pu$$y ), but Im falling asleep now.

Also, the bit in bold is a throw away bullshit opinion.

[AoWW]

You kinda had a point before, but stop it now. Non existant education in Pakistan? None of them know how to integrate with society? Yea, OK.

I could see where you were coming from with the 'Porkistan' thing, as I can understand someone might get offended. Singh said it was tongue in cheek and hes been a decent poster on here for quite some time and gives valid views on occasion (though usually about pu$$y ), but Im falling asleep now.

Also, the bit in bold is a throw away bullshit opinion.

This.

[hejammy]

You kinda had a point before, but stop it now. Non existant education in Pakistan? None of them know how to integrate with society? Yea, OK.

I could see where you were coming from with the 'Porkistan' thing, as I can understand someone might get offended. Singh said it was tongue in cheek and hes been a decent poster on here for quite some time and gives valid views on occasion (though usually about pu$$y ), but Im falling asleep now.

The prime minister of Pakistan was asked a couple of years ago "what are you going to do about number of educated people leaving the country, there are so little youth being educated and they leave the country, surely to make this country stronger we need to keep our educated youth?" his answer was "Let them leave"

You really cannot understand the level of poverty within Pakistan until you visit. 85% of children are only educated up until 11.