2011 Census (info re Leicester added)

[Daggers]

why focus on the 5% that are cvnts rather than the 95% that are decent, hard working, integrating, language learning, culturally well adjusted, welcome contributors to our society.

Because they have to breath fear.

They are fed fear by their papers, their televisions, their friends and their social contacts on forums such as this. They have to read "Yer mate, but wotch out or some'un'll call you racist" because it legitimises their bigotry.

They seem to think that it is important that everyone living on this hunk of land speaks the same language that they do. They seem to think that it is important that everyone living on this hunk of land shares their loose religion. And they are shit scared you pull them up on them spotting that people of different skin colours might not share their historical values.

Land is land, there are no rights to it by birth or heritage - the notion is ****ed in the extreme. There is no ownership of it because any title has been gained by virtue of theft. To challenge that, to intimate that anybody is allowed access to it, is the thing people fear most because it calls into question the entire notion of buying property, it calls into question the notion of control.

[The Year Of The Fox]

Are you just jealous that you can only speak one language and are therefore unable to communicate with the vast majority of the world - of your fellow human beings?

Howd you know i only speak English？

When i go to certain countries i do my best to integrate with locals whether im there for one day or a month.

Even if i can't, a smile and nod at someone walking past you in the street is a heck of a lot more you'd get off some Leicester residents.

Edit- given that English is the most widely dpoken language across the world, i can communicate with most people anyway!

[The Year Of The Fox]

Why do these threads always descend into crass generalisations exposing the extremes and those that exploit the system to their gain.

In the main immigration has been very beneficial to this country, whether it was west Indians on the windrush helping rebuild after the war, or eastern European immigration during the Blair years that helped the economy grow consistently.

Yes there are some work shy sponging cvnts from all walks of life and backgrounds, but they are the minority and not limited to immigrants.

It is this attitude which frustrates so many people, yes there are some immigrants that bring nothing to this country, but they are massively counterbalanced by the millions of immigrants over here that do.

As with everything in life you take the rough with the smooth, why focus on the 5% that are cvnts rather than the 95% that are decent, hard working, integrating, language learning, culturally well adjusted, welcome contributors to our society.

Just a quick question or point.

how do you know that it is the minority of immigrants who are out of work？ can you back this up any more thsn i can by saying the majority are out of work？

[Captain...]

Just a quick question or point.

how do you know that it is the minority of immigrants who are out of work？ can you back this up any more thsn i can by saying the majority are out of work？

Apart from knowing/meeting/working with plenty of Irish, Spanish, Indian, south African, Australian, Swedish... Etc

And all of them have been in gainful employment.

Yes.

Percentage of non British born living in London is 55% unemployment rate in London 8% even assuming, incorrectly, that all of these unemployed are non British born immigrants, that is still only 20% of immigrants.

So even in the most extreme circumstances 80% of immigrants in London are in employment, that is a majority, assuming an even spread across London, that is 90% of are in employment. 80-90% is the majority.

Nice of you to admit though your opinions are baseless and purely anecdotal.

[James.]

Regardless of what my opinions are about cultural diversity I think your attitude towards any criticism of it is wrong .

I accept that you believe it to be spiritually uplifting , but that is not a universal opinion , and these " if you don't live there you know nothing , so shut the fook up" tactics can be very tiresome.

Would you be quite so critical and damning of people that praised London's cultural diversity if they didn't actually live there ?

Should anyone who doesn't live in Leicester be allowed to praise it's cultural diversity ?

I suspect that praise of cultural diversity can come from anyone or anywhere ( especially the largely unaffected quaint villages and leafy suburbs) but it appears criticism can only come from within and easily dismissed .

People are allowed to have differing views to yours .

My original post was in response to comments such as "dark day" which was quite clearly borne out of naivety and ignorance as opposed to any knowledge regarding London and its ethnic make up. At no point did I say people should "shut the fúck up", not entirely sure why you brought that into your argument. But if people make ridiculous comments about London then I'll call them up on it. If anyone (and I haven't actually seen it so far) wants to offer a reasoned argument as to why a white British minority in London is a bad thing then I'll happily respond in kind... I won't hold my breath though.

Additionally it seems as if you're trying to belittle my argument by referring to me finding diversity spiritually uplifting, as if the benefits I see aren't tangible or practical. Alexikokopops summed it up nicely, the thing I love most about London is the sheer variety of food that immigration has brought about, it's wonderful (Alex you should add Dalston to your list, better Turkish food than Istanbul, no question). There's lots of other benefits though that go far beyond spiritual, if you want to know I'll tell you.

So anyway, by all means criticise London but back it up with an actual argument instead of tedious, uninformed rhetoric.

[purpleronnie]

My original post was in response to comments such as "dark day" which was quite clearly borne out of naivety and ignorance as opposed to any knowledge regarding London and its ethnic make up. At no point did I say people should "shut the fúck up", not entirely sure why you brought that into your argument. But if people make ridiculous comments about London then I'll call them up on it. If anyone (and I haven't actually seen it so far) wants to offer a reasoned argument as to why a white British minority in London is a bad thing then I'll happily respond in kind... I won't hold my breath though.

Additionally it seems as if you're trying to belittle my argument by referring to me finding diversity spiritually uplifting, as if the benefits I see aren't tangible or practical. Alexikokopops summed it up nicely, the thing I love most about London is the sheer variety of food that immigration has brought about, it's wonderful (Alex you should add Dalston to your list, better Turkish food than Istanbul, no question). There's lots of other benefits though that go far beyond spiritual, if you want to know I'll tell you.

So anyway, by all means criticise London but back it up with an actual argument instead of tedious, uninformed rhetoric.

[The Year Of The Fox]

Apart from knowing/meeting/working with plenty of Irish, Spanish, Indian, south African, Australian, Swedish... Etc

And all of them have been in gainful employment.

Yes.

Percentage of non British born living in London is 55% unemployment rate in London 8% even assuming, incorrectly, that all of these unemployed are non British born immigrants, that is still only 20% of immigrants.

So even in the most extreme circumstances 80% of immigrants in London are in employment, that is a majority, assuming an even spread across London, that is 90% of are in employment. 80-90% is the majority.

Nice of you to admit though your opinions are baseless and purely anecdotal.

Why use london as the example？the only exampke that backs you favourably maybe？

[Carl the Llama]

Stu, I'm a white Englishman and I too speak English. Can we be friends?

[Manwell Pablo]

Howd you know i only speak English？

When i go to certain countries i do my best to integrate with locals whether im there for one day or a month.

Even if i can't, a smile and nod at someone walking past you in the street is a heck of a lot more you'd get off some Leicester residents.

Edit- given that English is the most widely dpoken language across the world, i can communicate with most people anyway!

I can confirm he only speaks English

[Manwell Pablo]

Why use london as the example？the only exampke that backs you favourably maybe？

FFS Nearly all imigrants are in ****ing work.

That's the reason they come here.

They can't just rock up and claim benefits, you need to have a national insurance contribution to do that. Unless your a assylum seeker, in which case your fleeing your country for a rather good reason. Unless your an illegal immigrant, then fair enough you've probably got an arguement.

It's increadible. You get one arguement saying all these immigrants are taking our jobs and the same people come out with all these immigrants are on the sponge and out of work .

[James.]

It's increadible. You get one arguement saying all these immigrants are taking our jobs and the same people come out with all these immigrants are on the sponge and out of work .

Almost commented on the same thing earlier. It's brilliant irony.

"THEY TOOK OUR JOBS"

"THEY'RE ALL UNEMPLOYED"

Amazing.

[Carl the Llama]

It's about time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=768h3Tz4Qik

[Zingari]

FFS Nearly all imigrants are in ****ing work.

That's the reason they come here.

They can't just rock up and claim benefits, you need to have a national insurance contribution to do that. Unless your a assylum seeker, in which case your fleeing your country for a rather good reason. Unless your an illegal immigrant, then fair enough you've probably got an arguement.

It's increadible. You get one arguement saying all these immigrants are taking our jobs and the same people come out with all these immigrants are on the sponge and out of work .

At the lower end of the labour market , they take jobs and they add to unemployment , This in turn adds to the reasons that keep the low paid in society low paid.

Without blaming individual immigrants themselves , mass unfettered immigration does affect the jobs and housing market greatly at these levels .

It's like an employer's dream come true .

[Guest MattP]

It's increadible. You get one arguement saying all these immigrants are taking our jobs and the same people come out with all these immigrants are on the sponge and out of work .

Of course, that's because it generally effects the bottom rung of the employment ladder though.

These Poles aint rocking up taking company director positions. :xmassmile:

[Alexikokopops]

My original post was in response to comments such as "dark day" which was quite clearly borne out of naivety and ignorance as opposed to any knowledge regarding London and its ethnic make up. At no point did I say people should "shut the fúck up", not entirely sure why you brought that into your argument. But if people make ridiculous comments about London then I'll call them up on it. If anyone (and I haven't actually seen it so far) wants to offer a reasoned argument as to why a white British minority in London is a bad thing then I'll happily respond in kind... I won't hold my breath though.

Additionally it seems as if you're trying to belittle my argument by referring to me finding diversity spiritually uplifting, as if the benefits I see aren't tangible or practical. Alexikokopops summed it up nicely, the thing I love most about London is the sheer variety of food that immigration has brought about, it's wonderful (Alex you should add Dalston to your list, better Turkish food than Istanbul, no question). There's lots of other benefits though that go far beyond spiritual, if you want to know I'll tell you.

So anyway, by all means criticise London but back it up with an actual argument instead of tedious, uninformed rhetoric.

Ah yes, Dalston! I've been there a few times and had my hair cut in a Turkish hairdressers but never actually eaten there!

Why use london as the example？the only exampke that backs you favourably maybe？

Because Lavrentis said it was a dark day because of the figures of foreign born people living there and James was replying to that?

[Rincewind]

had my hair cut in a Turkish hairdressers but never actually eaten there!

I should try a Turkish restaurant next time.

[Alexikokopops]

Of course, that's because it generally effects the bottom rung of the employment ladder though.

These Poles aint rocking up taking company director positions. :xmassmile:

That said, I've worked in my team of three for two years and been the only UK person, and (at the risk of sounding like a TWAT) I'm far from the bottom rung of the ladder. In that time my team mates have been French, Thai and Norwegian. And our CEO is a Kiwi.

I'm not actually making any real point her, I just realised the above when reading your post

[Guest MattP]

had my hair cut in a Turkish hairdressers but never actually eaten there!

I should try a Turkish restaurant next time.

Fairly decent one in Syston a Turk I worked with used to go to.

[Alexikokopops]

had my hair cut in a Turkish hairdressers but never actually eaten there!

I should try a Turkish restaurant next time.

I've had my hair cut in a Turkish hairdresser but never actually eaten in Dalston

[Guest MattP]

That said, I've worked in my team of three for two years and been the only UK person, and (at the risk of sounding like a TWAT) I'm far from the bottom rung of the ladder. In that time my team mates have been French, Thai and Norwegian. And our CEO is a Kiwi.

I'm not actually making any real point her, I just realised the above when reading your post

That's what I mean though, most people who are in work and doing ok won't be moaning. I drink with 2/3 people who expoilt migrant workers quite often. CEO's wont be the ones who come over here from Poland, they'll already be wealthy fcukers from other companies that have done well.

The ones on the dole who genuinely want work and know the jobs they used to do for a shit but at least decent wage can now be done by a Pole for £3 an hour will be the ones who do. The Champagne Socialists who have never faced that problem will then take the piss out of them for it.

It's a pretty fcuked up situation.

[Guest MattP]

Not calling you a Champagne Socialist there btw I meant in general terms a lot of the time it is those trumping cheap economic immigration that only ever benefit from the positive effects of it.

[Captain...]

Why use london as the example？the only exampke that backs you favourably maybe？

First of all we were talking about London, but the same logic applies to Leicester, I don't know if unemployment stats are split by national demographics.

The point was that without even trying I've just proved that the majority of immigrants in London are in work, and the same logic applies to any city with a large immigrant population.

[Pride_Of_The_Midlands]

Some 40.7 per cent of people in Leicester class themselves as English

'You used to be English, you're not anymore'

Can't really complain when Forest fans sing that now.

[Corky]

'You used to be English, you're not anymore'

Can't really complain when Forest fans sing that now.

It was a dig at our ownership, apparently