sphericalfox Posted 30 October 2012 Posted 30 October 2012 Top contributors to Mitt Romney's presidential campaign: Goldman Sachs; Bank of America; Morgan Stanley; JPMorgan Chase & Co; Credit Suisse Group Top contributors to Obama's presidential campaign: University of California; Microsoft Corp; Google Inc; US Government; Harvard University
Alf Bentley Posted 31 October 2012 Posted 31 October 2012 ****'s sake! I thought that I was bonkers until I watched that video, now I realise that I'm sane... Not sure who's worse, Romney with his apparent weirdness (stitch-up surely? Gahd help us if not) or those hysterical presenters...or Obama promoting his interest in solid shoes, for that matter. What's wrong with humanity, for Jesu's sake!?
Alf Bentley Posted 31 October 2012 Posted 31 October 2012 Top contributors to Mitt Romney's presidential campaign: Goldman Sachs; Bank of America; Morgan Stanley; JPMorgan Chase & Co; Credit Suisse Group Top contributors to Obama's presidential campaign: University of California; Microsoft Corp; Google Inc; US Government; Harvard University Hmmm! Shall I get my campaign promoted by Hitler or Stalin? It's a tough choice! Minor preference for the latter bundle, but wouldn't it be slightly undemocratic for the US Government to promote one presidential candidate? Bullshit detector alert! I know Monbiot is an annoying, sanctimonious git, but his article in today's Grauniad was good: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/29/capitalism-bankrolls-politics-pay-price
Jordan Posted 31 October 2012 Posted 31 October 2012 SAB, a few quick points: 1) When we file our federal income tax returns here, we can elect to have $3 of our tax revenue used to go the "Presidential Election Campaign Fund." Long story short, the use of public funding for elections was originally implemented as a way to give individual donors more of a voice relative to richer donors and corporations, and to level the playing field between major candidates. Republicans get matching funds from the PEFC, too. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_election_campaign_fund_checkoff 2) Recent changes to law and Supreme Court decisions have allowed corporations to spend a lot more money to help influence elections, as mentioned in your link. The Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission case (often called just "Citizens United") has drastically changed the game under the guise of "free speech," and President Obama has suggested using a constitutional amendment to limit corporate political spending. Monbiot was remiss in not mentioning Citizens United, a direct cause of a boom in campaign spending this cycle. 3) continuing on this topic, opensecrets.org has to be the best resource for tracking campaign donations. 4) Oh, and as for the Romney Google search video... It's from The Onion.
Tom17LCFC Posted 31 October 2012 Posted 31 October 2012 I've not really been following it, but from what I can see, if Romney wins, I genuinely fear for everything.
Alexikokopops Posted 31 October 2012 Posted 31 October 2012 ****'s sake! I thought that I was bonkers until I watched that video, now I realise that I'm sane... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onion_News_Network
Alf Bentley Posted 31 October 2012 Posted 31 October 2012 That'll teach me to come on here late at night after a few pints....seriously hinders judgment! Still the case that corporate control of politics in both the US and UK is scary. Also still the case that the "Onion" clip is very funny!
Guest Posted 1 November 2012 Posted 1 November 2012 So New Yorker hugging from the candidates. Will Politics ever return to policies and not celebrities?
Guest Posted 1 November 2012 Posted 1 November 2012 Does anyone have the uptodate "campaigning" total for all republicans and democrats this year?
Jon the Hat Posted 1 November 2012 Posted 1 November 2012 Obama seems to be looking good out of the Sandy mess. Of course looking presidential is much easier when you are the president. A timely reminder than the Republicans are in fact not great for a huge proportion of Americans perhaps. Who needs FEMA?
Jordan Posted 1 November 2012 Posted 1 November 2012 So New Yorker hugging from the candidates. Will Politics ever return to policies and not celebrities? No. Does anyone have the uptodate "campaigning" total for all republicans and democrats this year? No.
Guest MattP Posted 1 November 2012 Posted 1 November 2012 Went through the voting map today and the Republicans look like they will take Florida, most bookies have them in as well odds on now. Pretty much means the election will come down to Ohio, Democrats have a big lead there from the polls I can see so Romney has it all to do.
Babylon Posted 1 November 2012 Posted 1 November 2012 My general rule of thumb on who to vote for is.... Would you buy a car from that man?
sphericalfox Posted 1 November 2012 Posted 1 November 2012 My general rule of thumb on who to vote for is.... Would you buy a car from that man? We'd all end up on bikes if we followed that rule
Babylon Posted 1 November 2012 Posted 1 November 2012 We'd all end up on bikes if we followed that rule I know I wouldn't buy one from Romney... he's like Cameron on crack.
Jordan Posted 1 November 2012 Posted 1 November 2012 My general rule of thumb on who to vote for is.... Would you buy a car from that man? Well, Mitt Romney's father was the chairman of American Motors Corporation... Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) recently said that it would be unfair to call Mitt Romney a used car salesman becuase that would be "an insult to used car salesmen." Oh, and the Romney campaign just put out online ads featuring "Joe Isuzu," a 1980s TV ad character that was a sleazy pitchman for cars. I think you've found your candidate! Went through the voting map today and the Republicans look like they will take Florida, most bookies have them in as well odds on now. Pretty much means the election will come down to Ohio, Democrats have a big lead there from the polls I can see so Romney has it all to do. Right. Most pundits were all in line with the "it all comes down to Ohio" analysis early in the campaign season. Plus ça change... Obama is gaining ground in the polls in Florida, and it is a close race there, but I'd still take an even bet on Romney winning that state. Romney has a slight edge on the polls in FL, and early voting suggests a narrower gap between Democratic voters and Republican voters than 2008, and I expect Romney to outperform Obama among FL voters that cast their ballots on Election Day. And it, essentially, is all coming down to Ohio. With OH, Obama looks like he's got enough of a cushion to hold on even if he performs below expectations and his electoral "firewall" starts cracking. Plus, I cannot see Romney grabbing OH without grabbing a bunch of other battleground states. Republican partisans are holding out hope for an upset other Rust Belt states, but I don't see Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan flipping. I've been stuck on my prediction of Obama 281, Romney 257 for about a week. It's a smaller margin of victory what the statheads (e.g. Nate Silver, the Princeton Election Consortium, etc.) are predicting. Silver is giving Obama a little over a 60% chance to hold Colorado and Virginia, but my guess is that Romney will squeak by in both states. Despite a strong performance by Obama in 2008, a solid campaign organization in the state, and changing voter demographics that favor Democrats, Republican voters are far more enthusiastic about voting this year than they were in 2008. Early voting is not nearly as important in VA as it is in some other battleground states due to state laws, but when you look at who's requesting to vote early and where those requests are coming from, early voting is noticeably down in pro-Obama areas from 2008 and up in more in areas that tend to vote Republican. I have had Colorado going to Romney, but I might actually switch that before the election back from red to blue, because Obama has been polling much better there lately and his campaign there has been more active lately.
Captain... Posted 1 November 2012 Author Posted 1 November 2012 My general rule of thumb on who to vote for is.... Would you buy a car from that man? We'd all end up on bikes if we followed that rule I don't agree with that rule, for example, I would by a car off Bush or off Osbourne, they are fvcking idiots and have no idea of the true value of money, I reckon a 5 year old could out negotiate these fvcktards, unfortunately Osbourne is not trying to sell me a car, he is fvcking up the economy instead.
Captain... Posted 1 November 2012 Author Posted 1 November 2012 Well, Mitt Romney's father was the chairman of American Motors Corporation... Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) recently said that it would be unfair to call Mitt Romney a used car salesman becuase that would be "an insult to used car salesmen." Oh, and the Romney campaign just put out online ads featuring "Joe Isuzu," a 1980s TV ad character that was a sleazy pitchman for cars. I think you've found your candidate! Right. Most pundits were all in line with the "it all comes down to Ohio" analysis early in the campaign season. Plus ça change... Obama is gaining ground in the polls in Florida, and it is a close race there, but I'd still take an even bet on Romney winning that state. Romney has a slight edge on the polls in FL, and early voting suggests a narrower gap between Democratic voters and Republican voters than 2008, and I expect Romney to outperform Obama among FL voters that cast their ballots on Election Day. And it, essentially, is all coming down to Ohio. With OH, Obama looks like he's got enough of a cushion to hold on even if he performs below expectations and his electoral "firewall" starts cracking. Plus, I cannot see Romney grabbing OH without grabbing a bunch of other battleground states. Republican partisans are holding out hope for an upset other Rust Belt states, but I don't see Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan flipping. I've been stuck on my prediction of Obama 281, Romney 257 for about a week. It's a smaller margin of victory what the statheads (e.g. Nate Silver, the Princeton Election Consortium, etc.) are predicting. Silver is giving Obama a little over a 60% chance to hold Colorado and Virginia, but my guess is that Romney will squeak by in both states. Despite a strong performance by Obama in 2008, a solid campaign organization in the state, and changing voter demographics that favor Democrats, Republican voters are far more enthusiastic about voting this year than they were in 2008. Early voting is not nearly as important in VA as it is in some other battleground states due to state laws, but when you look at who's requesting to vote early and where those requests are coming from, early voting is noticeably down in pro-Obama areas from 2008 and up in more in areas that tend to vote Republican. I have had Colorado going to Romney, but I might actually switch that before the election back from red to blue, because Obama has been polling much better there lately and his campaign there has been more active lately. Jordan, you are a massive politics geek, and I love it, this is exactly the kind of stuff I want to know about what is going on over there, really appreciate it.
Guest MattP Posted 1 November 2012 Posted 1 November 2012 Jordan, you are a massive politics geek, and I love it, this is exactly the kind of stuff I want to know about what is going on over there, really appreciate it. I'd like to add to this, every post you make on the subject is informative and gives an extremely intelligent point of view, always read every word you write.
Alexikokopops Posted 1 November 2012 Posted 1 November 2012 I'd like to add to this, every post you make on the subject is informative and gives an extremely intelligent point of view, always read every word you write. I concur!
Babylon Posted 1 November 2012 Posted 1 November 2012 What's Romneys stance on blowing other countries up? If he gets in would I be wise to dig out the nuclear bunker plans I started under Bush?
Captain... Posted 1 November 2012 Author Posted 1 November 2012 What's Romneys stance on blowing other countries up? If he gets in would I be wise to dig out the nuclear bunker plans I started under Bush? He's already threatened to give china a slap, and said something unwise about Russia too, not to mention pissing off his biggest ally, us.
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