The Doctor Posted 5 November 2012 Posted 5 November 2012 96% Jill Stein 85% Rocky Anderson 83% Barack Obama 2% Titt Romney Parties: Greens 97%, Democrats 91%, Libertarians 43%, Republicans 0%. It worries me that "Do you believe in evolution" is still a question though, there should be no need to ask that anymore - it should be a given, like believing the planet is a sphere.
purpleronnie Posted 5 November 2012 Posted 5 November 2012 96% Jill Stein 85% Rocky Anderson 83% Barack Obama 2% Titt Romney Parties: Greens 97%, Democrats 91%, Libertarians 43%, Republicans 0%. It worries me that "Do you believe in evolution" is still a question though, there should be no need to ask that anymore - it should be a given, like believing the planet is a sphere. respect, I was devasted to get 20%
Jon the Hat Posted 5 November 2012 Posted 5 November 2012 Pinko Commie! Ha. Just goes to show how centrist we are in the UK I think. GOP is well off the mark in terms of healthcare and welfare in general in my view.
Mark_w Posted 5 November 2012 Posted 5 November 2012 His father was a Muslim Atheist... I'm not sure if that video's funny or depressing.
Harry - LCFC Posted 5 November 2012 Posted 5 November 2012 90% Obama Surprised how many of us are siding with this Stein candidate, hadn't heard of her before, had her down for 73% myself. It isn't surprising though that so many of us are siding with Obama, Britain engages in more left wing politics on the whole. ....and thanks to the chap who posted the link! I've been wanting to find out where I stand.
BoneDog Posted 5 November 2012 Posted 5 November 2012 Jill Stein was tied to a chair for eight hours in October! "For daring to stand up and demand open debates". If that had happened to a candidate in another country Obama and Hil would be talking about possible war! Or sanctions that hurt the kids and the future of said country. The final third party deate is on RT live tonight. Hosted by Larry King I think. Gary Johnson sounds like my kind of candidate. I heard something about Texas threatening to arrest election monitors the other day. Seems like it was true.
Alf Bentley Posted 5 November 2012 Posted 5 November 2012 His father was a Muslim Atheist... I'm not sure if that video's funny or depressing. I'm not sure how well atheism would go down with many Muslims.... Back when I was at college, I did some voluntary work teaching English to the wives of foreign students (mainly from Muslim countries). They once asked about my religion but wouldn't accept that I was an atheist: "You're a Christian", was their response. Natural enough, I suppose, seeing as Islam is just a deviant branch of Christianity, just as Christianity is a deviant branch of Judaism... Bring back the Druids!
BoneDog Posted 5 November 2012 Posted 5 November 2012 My money's on Romney for this one. I'm still sticking with this. I'm not sure how well atheism would go down with many Muslims.... Back when I was at college, I did some voluntary work teaching English to the wives of foreign students (mainly from Muslim countries). They once asked about my religion but wouldn't accept that I was an atheist: "You're a Christian", was their response. Natural enough, I suppose, seeing as Islam is just a deviant branch of Christianity, just as Christianity is a deviant branch of Judaism... Bring back the Druids! I'm a Chrewslim. It's a mix of all three and I accept atheists.
Webbo Posted 5 November 2012 Posted 5 November 2012 Yea me, I'm a libertarian and I've never even heard of the bloke.
leicsmac Posted 5 November 2012 Posted 5 November 2012 Yea me, I'm a libertarian and I've never even heard of the bloke. Webbo = the only FTer who has taken the poll who has Romney ahead of Obama and Republican as the leading party in his poll. Therefore Webbo = most rightwing poster on FT.
leicsmac Posted 5 November 2012 Posted 5 November 2012 90% Stein 80% Obama 72% Johnson 19% Romney 95% Democrat 90% Green 54% Libertarian 13% Republican Pretty much what I expected really. On the economic side I quite like libertarianism, but social conservatism annoys the hell out of me.
Dr The Singh Posted 5 November 2012 Posted 5 November 2012 I watched an interview with Johnson, he's an intelligent guy, give it 12 years he could be in the running!!
MooseBreath Posted 5 November 2012 Posted 5 November 2012 I watched an interview with Johnson, he's an intelligent guy Well, that's me sold.
Webbo Posted 5 November 2012 Posted 5 November 2012 Webbo = the only FTer who has taken the poll who has Romney ahead of Obama and Republican as the leading party in his poll. Therefore Webbo = most rightwing poster on FT. And proud
leicsmac Posted 5 November 2012 Posted 5 November 2012 Johnson does say some damn good stuff and has some really good ideas as regards many economic and domestic policies. Letting businesses stand or fall rather than propping them up is good. Don't agree with his totally isolationist foreign policy though - not starting bullshit wars is one thing, totally withdrawing political presence at the UN etc is quite another. Like it or not the US is the most powerful nation on Earth and it has to maintain at least some presence in the international community. Also not sure where he stands on healthcare, social services et al. On another note.... Human beings evolved from other creatures. The Earth is a little over 4.5 billion years old, and the Universe near 13.7 billion. Amazing how many Americans don't get these two things.
Guest MattP Posted 5 November 2012 Posted 5 November 2012 Surprised. I side with Mitt Romney on most issues in the 2012 Presidential Election. Candidates you side with... 88% Mitt Romney Republican on social, economic, immigration, domestic policy, and environmental issues 74% Virgil Goode Constitution on immigration, domestic policy, environmental, foreign policy, and healthcare issues 67% Gary Johnson Libertarian on economic, domestic policy, and foreign policy issues 46% Barack Obama Democrat on science and environmental issues 51% American Voters on economic, science, environmental, domestic policy, and foreign policy issues.
Alexikokopops Posted 5 November 2012 Posted 5 November 2012 Candidates you side with... 91% Jill Stein Green on foreign policy, environmental, science, social, domestic policy, economic, and immigration issues 86% Barack Obama Democrat on foreign policy, environmental, science, social, economic, and healthcare issues 74% Rocky Anderson Justice on social, foreign policy, and environmental issues 74% Gary Johnson Libertarian on social, domestic policy, and immigration issues 7% Mitt Romney Republican no major issues 4% Virgil Goode Constitution no major issues 62% American Voters on foreign policy, domestic policy, environmental, science, social, healthcare, and immigration issues. Parties you side with... 94%Green 93%Democrat 36%Libertarian 2%Republican Mostly Green, least Republican. It's what I was expecting.
THEFATBASTARD Posted 5 November 2012 Posted 5 November 2012 Don't know if this has been posted before.. but if romney wins he will be the first president who wears "special" underpants. and so will the first lady. morons, sorry I mean mormons wear them as part of their faith..
BoneDog Posted 5 November 2012 Posted 5 November 2012 Don't know if this has been posted before.. but if romney wins he will be the first president who wears "special" underpants. and so will the first lady. morons, sorry I mean mormons wear them as part of their faith.. Yes I've seen a picture of the magic underpants! It's like an all in one vest/Y-Front type thing with funny symbols on it.
Jordan Posted 5 November 2012 Posted 5 November 2012 Hope nobody you know got caught up in the storm disaster, Jordan - and that you had some good sporting and drinking in New Hampshire...and have returned ready to resume your "mission to explain".... Some queries regarding the voting inclinations of particular states, if you have a spare minute - and please forgive my implicit ignorance about the USA....I'm very interested in the place but have only ever spent 2.5 days there (LA-Phoenix-Nogales): These are all great questions. The link Smudge provided is a good primer on America's political geography, but if there is anything not mentioned there that needs to be elaborated upon, I'll give it a shot. - How come Obama has a chance in Florida? I know there's a sizeable working-class black population, but also presumably a hell of a lot of property-owning white retirees and anti-Castro Cubans...maybe a lot of low-paid service sector employees or are many of the white retirees East Coast liberals as opposed to Southern Bible Belt types? Florida still resembles a southern state, but it doesn't look as much like its neighbors than it used to. People from all over the country and the Caribbean move to southern Florida. Most of the snowbirds that move to Florida are more liberal than typical Southerners, naturally, but they're not necessarily too far to the left. Retirees that made their living in the public sector or in union jobs will be more likely to vote Democratic, as are Jews from New York. Cuban American voters have been some of the Republican Party's staunchest supporters, but younger Cuban Americans are becoming more likely to vote Democratic. Puerto Ricans and Dominicans will vote overwhelmingly Democratic. - Why is New Hampshire more marginal than other New England states: are people there now more into the "free outdoor" libertarian or hunting/shooting/fishing lifestyle or are there particular economic/political/demographic factors that I'm unaware of? That is one reason. There's a bigger libertarian streak in Maine than NH, and there is a bigger environmentalist streak in Vermont; NH is in the middle of those two (both figuratively and literally) and more level-headed. Historically, Granite Staters have been classic Northeast Republicans: pro-business, in favor of small government, but understanding of certain areas where government should fill in for the private sector and socially liberal. Today, these beliefs overlap the Democratic Party and the Republican Party. I spent the weekend in Nashua, and I remarked that it is hardly a city, but rather like one giant suburb. The same can be said about the entire southern New Hampshire, where most of its citizens live. White suburbanites are more likely to vote Republican. People in New Hampshire seem to me to be more civic minded than most Americans and more likely to participate in the political process, but perhaps not as fiercely partisan as those in other states. Candidates that appear far to the left or right have no chance at winning in centrist New Hampshire. NHers know Mitt Romney more as "moderate Mitt" than the "severely conservative" Mitt than ran in the GOP primaries. - Why are Nevada & Colorado marginal (and New Mexico an Obama probable), yet Arizona is solid Republican? I'd assumed that Nevada & Colorado are fairly wealthy places, but maybe they have a lot of service sector (Las Vegas, Aspen) or I.T. jobs or something? I know that Arizona has a lot of Hispanics, but then so does Bush's adopted Texan homeland, I suppose.. Nevada should go to Obama, but that is counterintuitive to me, too, considering that the economy sucks there, and Democrats aren't wildly popular. I think one of the biggest reasons why Obama will fare well is because the Dems are much better prepared and more well-organized than the Republicans. Senator Harry Reid, despite not being such a popular figure, has been a successful candidate in his own elections due to his outstanding campaign team and staff of volunteers. There are few teams in the country that are as good at getting out the vote than his. Reid endorsed Obama early in the 2008 campaign, so when it was time for Obama to campaign in NV for the general election, he effectively inherited an excellent campaign infrastructure already in place. Colorado is a classic swing state this time around. The state is mostly well-off, well-educated and healthy. There are a lot of IT jobs in CO (my uncle works for IBM there) but a lot of those IT jobs are going to immigrants on work visas or being outsourced. Denver is a liberal town and Boulder is famous for being far to the left. The Mexican immigrant community in CO is growing rapidly. But Westerners (not Pacific coasters) seem more comfortable with Romney than Obama and have rallied around him a lot more than they did McCain. Westerners are much more in favor of small government than those on the East Coast. By the time the 2008 election came around, nobody liked Bush, and Westerners perhaps saw McCain as an establishment candidate. Mitt Romney, who has made his career in the private sector aside from a stint as governor of Massachusetts, is not looked upon as a Washington insider. Western Dems that do well in state and local elections are often of a different breed than their Eastern counterparts. They will support gun rights, low taxes, and lower government regulations in a lot of areas, except for environmental areas, where they will support conservation efforts. New Mexico has a higher Hispanic population than Arizona, and Arizona has also become one of the most politically polarized states in the country. People like Gov. Jan Brewer and Sheriff Joe Arpaio have become heroes to the Tea Party faction and have led controversial anti-immigrant initiatives in Arizona. The political landscape of AZ and Texas is expected to change in the coming years due to an increasing Mexican American population. - How come Virginia & North Carolina are "battleground states", yet West Virginia & Georgia seem to be solidly pro-Romney? I thought West Virginia used to be big on mining/industry (maybe the "used to" is the clue?), while I have this image of Virginia & North Carolina as quite genteel, mainly white southern-ish states. I think Georgia has a bigger black population, doesn't it...yet doesn't figure among Obama's targets....Is it because there are more white evangelists down in Georgia so Obama would glean very few white votes (as per Deep South states, where I assume that the vote divides strongly down racial lines)? West Virginia is definitely coal country, but the gradual decline of the coal industry and unions in WV, and realignment of the parties that finally coalesced in the 1990s have deeply eroded the state's Democratic base. Appalachia is also deeply socially conservative. VA and NC have seen very large demographic shifts in recent decades. Virginia's minority population is growing, and a lot of professional liberals that live and work in the DC area have moved to VA. The rise of a few industries in NC (e.g. Banking in Charlotte) in the 1990s and early 2000s, along with the appeal cheap real estate and costal living along the Atlantic, have also increased the state's Democratic voting population. Georgia is similar (the state is also starting to get a lot more Latino immigrants relative to the past), but just not there yet. One big difference has much to do with what you say: its white voters (outside of those that recently moved to the state) are more conservative than VA and NC white voters and there's less of a middle ground from which the Democratic Party can siphon votes. The Obama team was considering making a big play at GA in 2008 and took 45% of the vote, which wasn't bad. But in the end, their push at NC paid off. The Dems like their future chances at GA and NC, but in 2008 they took advantage of an enthusiasm gap between Dem and GOP voters that was deeper in NC than it was in GA. That has also made it more cost-efficient for the Obama team to put resources into NC, where Obama For America is already well-organized from 2008, than GA, where they would have to start a lot of high-intensity campaigning from scratch. As an aside, it is almost unthinkable that Southern conservatives, who are among the most reactionary of Republicans, were (until recently) Democrats almost to a man. Politics can make strange bedfellows... - How about Iowa? Is that more industrial than I imagine it? I imagine lots of prairies, agribusiness and small towns (Des Moines is no Chicago, is it?)...naturally Republican territory in my imagining, but presumably I'm missing something... Iowa is a classic big-agriculture state, yes. Iowa, though, was largely spared by the recession, and voters there are more likely to believe they are better off now than they were four years ago. Iowa is in the Chicago (and Twin Cities) media hinterland, and there are also a lot of college students in Iowa. Obama always talks about how much he loves Iowa because of how important his upset win over Hillary Clinton in the Iowa Democratic caucuses (the traditional start of the primary season) was to his campaign, and Obama--while not massively popular in Iowa--still remains somewhat of a sentimental favorite among many Democrats in the state because of that. Until such time as I finally manage to achieve my dream and go on an American road trip, this is about the closest that I get to understanding a bit more about that fascinating, diverse, complex and bonkers country over there! I will post my final predictions either later tonight or tomorrow morning.
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