purpleronnie Posted 31 December 2012 Posted 31 December 2012 Nice to see most are sensible posts, there's always some morons who will try and defend the Baby squad ...sorry that name always makes me laugh. Funny how some of the ones defending them are the same ones who go on about how leniant we are with crime and how criminals should be locked up in victorian esque prison....the irony is lost on them.
Rincewind Posted 31 December 2012 Posted 31 December 2012 Nice to see most are sensible posts, there's always some morons who will try and defend the Baby squad ...sorry that name always makes me laugh. Funny how some of the ones defending them are the same ones who go on about how leniant we are with crime and how criminals should be locked up in victorian esque prison....the irony is lost on them. I noticed that too. If the same people was to run down their street smashing windows they would want hanging brought back.
FilbostreetPen1 Posted 23 January 2014 Posted 23 January 2014 Fantastic book to be honest. Just finished reading it, would recommend it to anyone over the age of 25 who can remember back in the day. I'll never forget that night in Vienna. How nobody got killed I'll never know.
Uncle Albert Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 And I thought the 'Am I wasting my time?' thread was bad.. Well this entertained me for a bit, have no intentions of reading the book, I did all my Hooligan reading and what not back when I was 16-19, like some have said I guess you just grow out of it. Know a number of lads who haven't grown out of it, but that is their choice. Let them get on with it. I knew reading through this thread I would stumble upon Heysel, both sets of fans were in the wrong for that fateful day, unfortunately it was 39 Juventus fans who lost their lives, no Football fan should ever go to a game and lose their life, even if they get into a fight supporting their team. Life is too short as it is and for young lads and grown men to be losing their lives at a game of football is sad.
Captain... Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 Fantastic book to be honest. Just finished reading it, would recommend it to anyone over the age of 25 who can remember back in the day. I'll never forget that night in Vienna. How nobody got killed I'll never know. I thought the book was a bit shit, to be honest, maybe if you were around at the time it would make a lot more sense, but for me it was poorly written. It did make one thing very clear, that it wasn't about the football, the club and the results barely got a mention, but the obsession with clothes was a bit, well, you know, a bit gay. Seriously it read more like a fashion magazine at times than football hooliganism. This is what pisses me off the most about the whole thing football has been dragged through the mud, overly sanitised and some would say ruined, because of the actions of people like Khan who didn't even give a shit about football.
Rincewind Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 You'll be told off for giving away the price.
foxoffderby Posted 25 January 2014 Posted 25 January 2014 I thought the book was a bit shit, to be honest, maybe if you were around at the time it would make a lot more sense, but for me it was poorly written. It did make one thing very clear, that it wasn't about the football, the club and the results barely got a mention, but the obsession with clothes was a bit, well, you know, a bit gay. Seriously it read more like a fashion magazine at times than football hooliganism. This is what pisses me off the most about the whole thing football has been dragged through the mud, overly sanitised and some would say ruined, because of the actions of people like Khan who didn't even give a shit about football. But thats the point the book is called memories of Asian football CASUAL. Its about the casual culture of the 80's which by definition was about the clothes and brand names like FILA for example and subcultures of the time and being accepted into them. Its not about football results period and doesn't mean to be. You've missed the point entirely.
Dr The Singh Posted 25 January 2014 Posted 25 January 2014 Being brought up in the BS era, and around being brought up around near Filbert street, it's fair to say these guys were tyrants. Post match destruction of peoples houses, public property, threatening ordinary folk. We used to avoid them as much as possible, in pubs, the streets etc, seen many get a beating for being in the wrong place, wrong time with these morons around!!! I was fortunate that I grew up with people that had connections to them, but others weren't.
Mickey O'Neil Posted 25 January 2014 Posted 25 January 2014 Its too easy for fans to say negative things but it is true about firms protectin g their own fans abroad Slightly off-topic, but some Wolves and Forest fans saved my skin abroad in Amsterdam in the early 90s. This is the main reason I don't hate these clubs anymore. The Dutch police pulled their guns on us and when we walked over to them with our hands up, they set their fvcking German Shepherds on us. The dogs were the size of donkeys. Love all the Mongies giving it out about the BS. Guarantee a) you wouldn't say it to anyone's face who has / is involved and b) if it went off and you where on to get an hiding and the BS appeared, you'd be begging for help ! Wrap it up little boys, stu, Hugo and Ashley have got it spot on. I watched one of those stupid 'Firm' programmes (Danny bell-end Dyer probably???) where they came to Leicester. They were interviwing some of the BS in a pub and my eyes could not believe what they were seeing. Someone who I grew up with in Thurnby Lodge giving it the big one about being in the BS. I don't recall him being that hard. Or that involved with the Squad. So, yes I would say it to their faces.
Mickey O'Neil Posted 26 January 2014 Posted 26 January 2014 But thats the point the book is called memories of Asian football CASUAL. Its about the casual culture of the 80's which by definition was about the clothes and brand names like FILA for example and subcultures of the time and being accepted into them. Its not about football results period and doesn't mean to be. You've missed the point entirely. Spot on. When I think about Casuals, the first team I think of (and relate this to) is Aberdeen. I remember them coming to Filbert Street in '84. Couple of years later, I was reading about them and the thing that sticks out in my mind is how important it was to be wearing labels. I guess most on here will think of the Chelsea's and the like for casuals but for me it's Aberdeen. Although saying that about labels, didn't Chelsea have some twat in white painters overalls called Tall Eric who was with their casuals and enjoyed a scrap but obviously didn't do the 'casual' thing!!!?
Finnaldo Posted 26 January 2014 Posted 26 January 2014 Did the Baby Squad use knives ???? I thought they were infamous for using Stanley knives.
lavrentis Posted 26 January 2014 Posted 26 January 2014 I thought they were infamous for using Stanley knives. Yeah thats what I thought, pretty shameful that. Pretty bad for firms to use knives
Uncle Albert Posted 26 January 2014 Posted 26 January 2014 Did the Baby Squad use knives ???? More than likely, most did.
lavrentis Posted 26 January 2014 Posted 26 January 2014 More than likely, most did. Strange that, always thought hoolies didn't go out to kill anyone just to knock em out but leave it at that. Just fun to them I thought, nothing more
Finnaldo Posted 26 January 2014 Posted 26 January 2014 Strange that, always thought hoolies didn't go out to kill anyone just to knock em out but leave it at that. Just fun to them I thought, nothing more I don't think they set out to kill anyone. A Stanley knife would most likely give you a slash, unless it was at the neck or the wrists I wouldn't imagine that it could kill anybody.
Uncle Albert Posted 26 January 2014 Posted 26 January 2014 It's a small minority but usually a small number in a firm will have a blade on them, sad really. Remember when a couple of Leicester lads were stabbed v Coventry in 2008.
Captain... Posted 26 January 2014 Posted 26 January 2014 But thats the point the book is called memories of Asian football CASUAL. Its about the casual culture of the 80's which by definition was about the clothes and brand names like FILA for example and subcultures of the time and being accepted into them. Its not about football results period and doesn't mean to be. You've missed the point entirely. Asian FOOTBALL casual, yet he didn't give a shit about football, just used it as an excuse to get into fights, now football is overly sanitised and stadiums are soulless and health and safety rules, because of people like Khan who didn't give a shit about football.
foxoffderby Posted 26 January 2014 Posted 26 January 2014 Asian FOOTBALL casual, yet he didn't give a shit about football, just used it as an excuse to get into fights, now football is overly sanitised and stadiums are soulless and health and safety rules, because of people like Khan who didn't give a shit about football. Nobody is saying the people in the book did care about football. Its hard to explain without trying to be patronising to someone who wasen't around in the 80's but working class youth had different subcultures to the majority of todays youth. Khan was lost as being a second generation Asian kid lost between cultures and having no firm identity. He found some belonging in the casual culture of football clothes and music and his own Afgan fighting heritage. He found belonging within a minority group despite their racial differnces found the casual culture bought them together. The FOOTBALL part of the casual culture was one small aspect of growing up in Thatchers Britain. Films like The Firm, (original and remake) show characters within it obsessed with the casual culture of music, clothes and fighting and football just being a side thought.
Captain... Posted 27 January 2014 Posted 27 January 2014 Nobody is saying the people in the book did care about football. Its hard to explain without trying to be patronising to someone who wasen't around in the 80's but working class youth had different subcultures to the majority of todays youth. Khan was lost as being a second generation Asian kid lost between cultures and having no firm identity. He found some belonging in the casual culture of football clothes and music and his own Afgan fighting heritage. He found belonging within a minority group despite their racial differnces found the casual culture bought them together. The FOOTBALL part of the casual culture was one small aspect of growing up in Thatchers Britain. Films like The Firm, (original and remake) show characters within it obsessed with the casual culture of music, clothes and fighting and football just being a side thought. I understand what you are saying, but it is football that has been ruined because of this, not fashion shows, not gigs, but football that has been irreparably tarnished in this country because of people who didn't care about football. That pisses me off, I don't care that he, or anyone else, got into violence because they felt alienated, or to find a sense of belonging, you want to have a fight with other people who want to fight, then whatever, knock yourself out, literally, but why intrinsically link it to football, when it was one small aspect, and risk innocent fans getting caught up in it. If anything it is even more stupid to tie it in with football, when you know that the police are going to be out in force because it is a match day.
Webbo Posted 27 January 2014 Posted 27 January 2014 i prefer Memoirs of an Invisible Man He was so transparent.
Ross-Kemp Posted 27 January 2014 Posted 27 January 2014 He was so transparent.Almost didn't see that one coming.
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