theessexfox Posted 26 February 2013 Posted 26 February 2013 What on earth are you going on about? Bringing Liverpool v Man City into this? I think I've got into your head a little too much, you need to cool off. I'm living in your head rent free. Or you can't discuss Football with me because you're incapable of doing so, I wrote you a counter paragraphs on discussing your points on Gareth Bale, you failed to answer any. You instead decided to try and have a pop at me and TPH, which is a bit low to bring someone into it who isn't on the forum to defend himself. He didn't really bring Liverpool v Man City 'into this' did he?
Jimothy Posted 26 February 2013 Posted 26 February 2013 What on earth are you going on about? Bringing Liverpool v Man City into this? I think I've got into your head a little too much, you need to cool off. I'm living in your head rent free. Or you can't discuss Football with me because you're incapable of doing so, I wrote you a counter paragraphs on discussing your points on Gareth Bale, you failed to answer any. You instead decided to try and have a pop at me and TPH, which is a bit low to bring someone into it who isn't on the forum to defend himself. I mentioned it because it clearly shows the "level" of football discussion you are capable of. Don't flatter yourself I just remember what I've read recently quite well, my minds a bit of a sponge for things like that. As for Bale, I made my points in my first post, yes you countered them but I'm not sure what else I could say in reply other than repeating what I've already said. To be fair this all began because you had a pop at me, if you can't take it don't dish it out. To be honest some of the drivel and downright rude things you've written at me or written in a round about way to me today what did you expect?
Danizen Posted 26 February 2013 Posted 26 February 2013 ....my minds a bit of a sponge for things like that. Can you tell me who recently said that Bale had replaced Ronaldo as the 2nd best player in the world, please? I want to laugh at that person.
Jimothy Posted 26 February 2013 Posted 26 February 2013 Can you tell me who recently said that Bale had replaced Ronaldo as the 2nd best player in the world, please? I want to laugh at that person. Don't think anyone has said that here have they? Think it was DanLCFC said his form was Ronaldo/Messi like, but can't remember anyone actually saying he was ahead of Ronaldo. See I remember some useless shit. I can still remember client numbers from a job I left over a year ago! What use is that?
Carl the Llama Posted 26 February 2013 Posted 26 February 2013 See I remember some useless shit. I can still remember client numbers from a job I left over a year ago! What use is that? Identity theft. Hear there's a lot of money in it.
Jimothy Posted 26 February 2013 Posted 26 February 2013 Identity theft. Hear there's a lot of money in it. Nothing that useful, just the reference numbers they use to file them. Totally useless to anyone who doesn't work there
Charl91 Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 Better. You can hold down a debate, congratulations. Tottenham will not be bothered who they sell too, but you're right maybe Spurs will price United out of Bale. Depends on how much Ferguson wants Bale, I think Ferguson will want Bale and like we all know Ferguson usually gets what Ferguson wants. Doubt Ferguson would go for him. Bale wont go for less then 40m. Ferguson doesn't like spending big most of the time, and they wont offer the excessive fee and wages that Real can and will offer. On top of that, Man U aren't exactly short in the attacking department; leaving aside the fact that Man U aren't exactly short in the winger deparment, Bale is being used more as an attacker in a free role rather than a winger, and they already have a lot of competition for those places - Kagawa and Rooney tend to take up those spaces. If Ferguson was going to spend big, I think he would be more likely to buy Wilshere to solve their weakness in midfield.
Dan Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 There's too many idiots on here with such poor opinions and can't back their opinion up, it does my head in. They just come out with crap like "Giggs wont sign for Real" what idiot says that, really? The moron clearly can't give me any reasons why Gareth Bale wouldn't sign for Man United so he comes out with that shit. I seriously think some of the idiots on here should go through a test before signing up to this forum. Most people won't agree or care about my opinions and I'm not too arsed if they don't agree with me but if someone questions my opinion I can engage in a debate with them and try and tell them why I think that opinion, not come out with some one line crap that isn't amusing or whatever else he was trying to achieve from that drivel. Calm down. It was a completely harmless joke.
Dan Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 Don't think anyone has said that here have they? Think it was DanLCFC said his form was Ronaldo/Messi like, but can't remember anyone actually saying he was ahead of Ronaldo. See I remember some useless shit. I can still remember client numbers from a job I left over a year ago! What use is that? I don't know about on here but plenty of people I've read stuff from have been saying he's on Ronaldo/Messi's level which is simply laughable, I just assumed people in this thread would've as well, I didn't fancy going through a few pages first.
Captain... Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 But to make matters (and comparisons) worse, Bale is 23, Giggs 39. That's one entire football generation. Imagine, Giggs could be Bale's dad. Thinking about how Giggs likes to put it about, maybe he is... (apologies in advance for any offence caused by this flippancy)
Soar Fox Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 Doubt Ferguson would go for him. Bale wont go for less then 40m. Ferguson doesn't like spending big most of the time, and they wont offer the excessive fee and wages that Real can and will offer. On top of that, Man U aren't exactly short in the attacking department; leaving aside the fact that Man U aren't exactly short in the winger deparment, Bale is being used more as an attacker in a free role rather than a winger, and they already have a lot of competition for those places - Kagawa and Rooney tend to take up those spaces. If Ferguson was going to spend big, I think he would be more likely to buy Wilshere to solve their weakness in midfield. Ferguson doesn't spend big? Van Nistelrooy £19 million Veron £28 million Rooney £27 million Ferdinand £27.5 million Berbatov £30 million And I could name another 10 players who all cost over £15 million. You say Real could offer more wages and fees, but I'm sure if Fergie really wanted him the board at Man Utd would pay whatever it would cost to get him.
Darkon84 Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 Don't Madrid have first option on him anyway, as part of their 'partnership' deal thing with Spurs?
Uncle Albert Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 Ferguson doesn't spend big? Van Nistelrooy £19 million Veron £28 million Rooney £27 million Ferdinand £27.5 million Berbatov £30 million And I could name another 10 players who all cost over £15 million. You say Real could offer more wages and fees, but I'm sure if Fergie really wanted him the board at Man Utd would pay whatever it would cost to get him. My point exactly, Anderson, Nani, Carrick and Hargreaves all £17-20million. If people honestly think Ferguson wouldn't spend close to £40million on Gareth Bale then you need to have a rethink, don't see why Bale would want to leave the Premier League when he hasn't won a trophy in England, or was he at Spurs when they won the Carling Cup in 2008? Surely he would want to win stuff in England before going to Spain, otherwise he would always be known as a player who left England trophyless and signed for one of the best teams in the World where they would still win numerous trophies even if they didn't have Gareth Bale.
Jimothy Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 Ferguson doesn't spend big? Van Nistelrooy £19 million Veron £28 million Rooney £27 million Ferdinand £27.5 million Berbatov £30 million And I could name another 10 players who all cost over £15 million. You say Real could offer more wages and fees, but I'm sure if Fergie really wanted him the board at Man Utd would pay whatever it would cost to get him. That's still not Bale big though. Spurs will want a lot more than £15-£30m. I can see Spurs slapping a £60m tag on him, and Fergie will never pay that.
Charl91 Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 Ferguson doesn't spend big? Van Nistelrooy £19 million Veron £28 million Rooney £27 million Ferdinand £27.5 million Berbatov £30 million And I could name another 10 players who all cost over £15 million. You say Real could offer more wages and fees, but I'm sure if Fergie really wanted him the board at Man Utd would pay whatever it would cost to get him. Exactly; the most he has paid for one transfer is 30 million (as far as I can recall), and those big transfer fees you quoted are spanning over ten years. You say you can name ten players who cost over £15 million, but Real probably spend that in a season. Like I said he doesn't like spending big most of the time, and I'm right; considering that Man United are the top club in England, the amount of excessively high transfer deals they make is pretty low, because Ferguson likes to get good value for money. He will, however, spend top money if they're worth the asking price. Looking at the big transfers he has made, most of the big them are undoubtably great bargains (Rooney, Ferdinand, RVN and also the 24m for RVP). The money for Veron wasn't too bad - he was a world class player, just didn't fit in at Man U. Berbatov is probably the only questionable one in value for money, but even he won a golden boot in his time. Alex Ferguson always complains that there's "no value in the marketâ€, and the point I'm trying to make is even when he signs big players, they are normally pretty good value for money (eg. He bought RVP because he could get him for a good price - if the asking price was 50m than he wouldn't have considered it). In contrast, if Bale is going to leave, then Levvy is not going to let him go on the cheap, in fact he will try and rape the buying club got every penny they have - I don't see Bale going for less than 40m, and it will probably be a lot more, it wouldn't suprise me if it was over 50m. Fergie already got ripped off for Berbatov (something he has probably realised by now) and I doubt he will let it happen again. And to top it of, United already have a world class attacking team in RVP, Rooney, Kagawa, Hernandez and Welbeck. It's not goals that they are struggling with this season. If he was going to strengthen an area with a big money signing, I highly doubt it would be with another attacker.
Captain... Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 Levy will not let Bale go cheap, and 40million is cheap in this market, he is the best player in the premiership at the moment. The talk is that he will be bought by Madrid if they sell Ronaldo in the summer, which is apparently quite likely, especially if Mourinho goes. Personally, I would love to see him go and be a success in Spain or Italy, I think that we need to get rid of this reluctance for British players to play anywhere else in Europe, it is damaging to our national team, and the development of good young English players. There is so much foreign dross in the Premiership benefiting from the best coaches, while lots of potential dwindles away in the lower leagues. The more Brits playing abroad the better for our national teams. Incidentally if we do leave Europe will we be able to return to the 3 foreigners rule?
Uncle Albert Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 Levy will not let Bale go cheap, and 40million is cheap in this market, he is the best player in the premiership at the moment. The talk is that he will be bought by Madrid if they sell Ronaldo in the summer, which is apparently quite likely, especially if Mourinho goes. £40million isn't so cheap when Suarez and Van Persie signed for Liverpool and Man Utd for less than £25million each - especially when both have had much better seasons. I 100% agree that Bale is the best player in the League right now but he hasn't been the best all season and Clubs aren't going to pay much more than £40million because of his form in the last month. Bale has been relatively quiet for much of the Season, it's his form in the last month that has got everyone talking. I honestly can't see Bale going to Madrid under any circumstances, whether that's Ronaldo being sold or Mourinho leaving. I wouldn't be surprised either if Man City didn't come in for Bale either, they can blow all possible buyers out of the water.
Finnegan Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 In my personal opinion, if Real trump up fourty to fifty million for Bale then United will be priced out. If not literally, then culturally. Transfer prices may be rising but that's still incredible money and I don't think Ferguson puts that value in individuals. Van Persie was an unusual signing from him as it is but he was only twenty five odd. As for Bale wanting to go, if you're a twenty three, twenty four year old and arguably the world's most glamorous club want to put you on the opposite wing to Cristiano Ronaldo, competing for La Liga and the Champs League every year in sunny Madrid I don't think you're going to say no purely because you don't have a Prem winners medal.
Charl91 Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 £40million isn't so cheap when Suarez and Van Persie signed for Liverpool and Man Utd for less than £25million each - especially when both have had much better seasons. I 100% agree that Bale is the best player in the League right now but he hasn't been the best all season and Clubs aren't going to pay much more than £40million because of his form in the last month. Bale has been relatively quiet for much of the Season, it's his form in the last month that has got everyone talking. I honestly can't see Bale going to Madrid under any circumstances, whether that's Ronaldo being sold or Mourinho leaving. I wouldn't be surprised either if Man City didn't come in for Bale either, they can blow all possible buyers out of the water. Not really comparable though. Van Persie is 29, so not much resale value, known to be prone to injuries, and had a year length left on his contract I believe. Suarez didn't play in one of the major leagues, hence his lower price (he'd be worth a lot more now) and also had one year left on his contract I believe. And even then, both these players I would consider great bargains at the price they went for. Bale signed a new 4 year contract in 2012. He's going to go for more than 40m.
Uncle Albert Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 Not really comparable though. Van Persie is 29, so not much resale value, known to be prone to injuries, and had a year length left on his contract I believe. Suarez didn't play in one of the major leagues, hence his lower price (he'd be worth a lot more now) and also had one year left on his contract I believe. And even then, both these players I would consider great bargains at the price they went for. Bale signed a new 4 year contract in 2012. He's going to go for more than 40m. Yeah true, I never looked at it from that view. I think he will be in the Premier League next season, with who I don't really know - I wouldn't be too surprised if he was to stay at Spurs. I think Bale has the desire and ambition to succeed in the Premier League before he goes out to Spain.
Fox92 Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 Levy won't let Bale go cheap, he is a great businessman. Look at players in the past with the likes of Modric (brought for £16.5million and sold for £33million) and Carrick (brought for £3.5million and sold for £14million).
Uncle Albert Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 If Bale is to move in the Summer his price will have a lot to do with how he performs in these remaining 'big' games.. Arsenal (H) Liverpool (A) Everton (H) Chelsea (A) Man City (H) They're big games for Bale to prove his value and to show potential buyers what they're getting.
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