Guest MattP Posted 16 February 2013 Posted 16 February 2013 Wasn't Kisnorbo queer? It's amazing how it's still a big deal tbh, we all know its been happening for years. Speak to any Southampton fan and they will tell you about when they had half a team of them, I had a pint with Neil Maddison once and told me the shower story about Francis Benali and 'Big' Ken Monkou, couldn't control themselves.
whoareyaaa Posted 16 February 2013 Posted 16 February 2013 Wasn't Kisnorbo queer? It's amazing how it's still a big deal tbh, we all know its been happening for years. Speak to any Southampton fan and they will tell you about when they had half a team of them, I had a pint with Neil Maddison once and told me the shower story about Francis Benali and 'Big' Ken Monkou, couldn't control themselves. No , he was banging some fit blonde bird, done some painting at there house when he was at leicester.
Guest MattP Posted 16 February 2013 Posted 16 February 2013 No , he was banging some fit blonde bird, done some painting at there house when he was at leicester. Good lad. I've got a lot more respect for him now.
Guest Posted 16 February 2013 Posted 16 February 2013 Good lad. I've got a lot more respect for him now. So you didn't have respect for him when you thought he was gay but you do when you've been told he isn't.
stevelcfc Posted 16 February 2013 Posted 16 February 2013 Who gives a shit? Good on him though, this should never be an issue, let alone make national/international news.
Guest BlueBrett Posted 16 February 2013 Posted 16 February 2013 What about Big Gay Sol? Who gives a shit? Good on him though, this should never be an issue, let alone make national/international news. Completely agree with this. It's the media's fault if players feel afraid to come out because they always make such a massive deal out of it. The fans clearly don't care. Even if a small section did the chants wouldn't last long they'd get frowned out like the racist ones. However in this case I think it is worth considering that the guy's career was petering out anyway and I don't think it is much of a stretch to imagine that perhaps he made the calculation that he could do more for himself through the publicity he would get from coming out and walking away than he was ever likely to playing as a loanee at Stevenage
General Smuts Posted 16 February 2013 Posted 16 February 2013 First Tabou - now this. Can't believe I've turned another un!
sphericalfox Posted 16 February 2013 Posted 16 February 2013 St Andrews and Fairfield Dynamo Which side do you play for?
21st Century Fox Posted 16 February 2013 Posted 16 February 2013 This was a good article... http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/mar/12/the-secret-footballer-gay-players
act smiley Posted 16 February 2013 Posted 16 February 2013 What about Big Gay Sol? Completely agree with this. It's the media's fault if players feel afraid to come out because they always make such a massive deal out of it. The fans clearly don't care. Even if a small section did the chants wouldn't last long they'd get frowned out like the racist ones. However in this case I think it is worth considering that the guy's career was petering out anyway and I don't think it is much of a stretch to imagine that perhaps he made the calculation that he could do more for himself through the publicity he would get from coming out and walking away than he was ever likely to playing as a loanee at Stevenage Bullshit. Absolute bullshit. The racist chants and people shouting racist things get frowned at actively by a vast number of people at almost all clubs - it gets a thread on here when something happens - but similar stuff gets directed at Brighton repeatedtly with nothing like that level of outrage. Even on here where people should ****ing well know better some absolutely vile shit gets defended as "banter". The number of times I've felt uncomfortable at a football match due to racist behaviour can be counted easily, the amount of times I've felt uncomfortable due to homophobic behaviour is far higher as it is so much more pervasive even if its often a lower intensity. The guy's career isn't at its high point, but he's highly enough regarded that he's always got the option to go back to America and be a success there or could have a solid if unspectacular lower league career here. If you actually read the statement it reads a lot more like he's been using the footballing career as an outlet to keep his mind off other issues even if he wasn't enjoying it and is now coming to terms with that. Why the hell would money come into expressing a deeply personal statement like this ? Just because you want to spend your weekends watching sport and idolise it doesn't mean everyone wants to dedicate their lives to the sport rather than do something else for a career and just play recreationally. There are plenty of cases out there of people finding that one of the fastest ways to destroy a passionate interest is to make a career of it and I don't see why football should be an exception to that. Frankly half the replies on this thread make me feel sick.
Guest BlueBrett Posted 16 February 2013 Posted 16 February 2013 Bullshit. Absolute bullshit. The racist chants and people shouting racist things get frowned at actively by a vast number of people at almost all clubs - it gets a thread on here when something happens - but similar stuff gets directed at Brighton repeatedtly with nothing like that level of outrage. Even on here where people should ****ing well know better some absolutely vile shit gets defended as "banter". The number of times I've felt uncomfortable at a football match due to racist behaviour can be counted easily, the amount of times I've felt uncomfortable due to homophobic behaviour is far higher as it is so much more pervasive even if its often a lower intensity. The guy's career isn't at its high point, but he's highly enough regarded that he's always got the option to go back to America and be a success there or could have a solid if unspectacular lower league career here. If you actually read the statement it reads a lot more like he's been using the footballing career as an outlet to keep his mind off other issues even if he wasn't enjoying it and is now coming to terms with that. Why the hell would money come into expressing a deeply personal statement like this ? Just because you want to spend your weekends watching sport and idolise it doesn't mean everyone wants to dedicate their lives to the sport rather than do something else for a career and just play recreationally. There are plenty of cases out there of people finding that one of the fastest ways to destroy a passionate interest is to make a career of it and I don't see why football should be an exception to that. Frankly half the replies on this thread make me feel sick. So the 'does your boyfriend know you're here' chant is 'vile shit'? You can call it poor banter but I hardly think it is vile. I don't even think it can be called homophobic, it is simply a reference to the well known fact that there are a lot of gay people living in Brighton. Money comes into everything. I wasn't saying this is definitely the reason he chose to make his announcement, just a possibility that seems more likely given that it comes at a time when his career is at an all time low. Gay people are capable of making rational calculations too you know.
Guest MattP Posted 16 February 2013 Posted 16 February 2013 So you didn't have respect for him when you thought he was gay but you do when you've been told he isn't. If you are looking for limp wristed apologies you are speaking to the wrong man.
act smiley Posted 16 February 2013 Posted 16 February 2013 So the 'does your boyfriend know you're here' chant is 'vile shit'? You can call it poor banter but I hardly think it is vile. I don't even think it can be called homophobic, it is simply a reference to the well known fact that there are a lot of gay people living in Brighton. And I suppose Leicester being a "town full of Pakis" is merely poor banter too; In fact maybe it can't even be racist as its simply a reference to the well known fact that there are a lot of people of a South-Asian ethnic background living in Leicester. OK, it doesn't have the word "faggot" in there, but its still pretty damn unpleasant.
Tielemans63 Posted 16 February 2013 Posted 16 February 2013 Wasn't David Oldfield gay? Or was it just the way he ran? In all seriousness, wish the media didn't make such a big deal of this - I don't blame gay players one bit for keeping schtum. It's a shame RR feels he has to retire after this - I know he has said coming out is nothing to do with it but it must've had a bearing on his decision.
Guest MattP Posted 16 February 2013 Posted 16 February 2013 Let's be honest he isn't retiring because he's queer, he's retiring because he's shit.
Voll Blau Posted 16 February 2013 Posted 16 February 2013 I hate the word 'banter' . It's usually the people who use it the most that understand it the least.
broughtonblue Posted 16 February 2013 Posted 16 February 2013 Let's be honest he isn't retiring because he's queer, he's retiring because he's shit. Let's be honest he isn't retiring because he's queer, he's retiring because he's 'BEEN IN THE' shit
foxfanazer Posted 16 February 2013 Posted 16 February 2013 Wasn't Kisnorbo queer? no but his boyfriend was
Haydos Posted 16 February 2013 Posted 16 February 2013 So the 'does your boyfriend know you're here' chant is 'vile shit'? You can call it poor banter but I hardly think it is vile. I don't even think it can be called homophobic, it is simply a reference to the well known fact that there are a lot of gay people living in Brighton. We do this every time. It's not fvcking hard (It might be for thick as pig shit people like you) but here it is again: It's the negative connotations that chanting that shit brings. Why should the number of gay people living there even be worth mentioning? Why should the number of Asians in Leicester be worth mentioning? It all comes down to the same fvcking thing, it's not the 70's any more, there's no room for this shit, period. Also, it's not even remotely funny, if you're going to chant about poofters and pakis you deserve a decking for not only being a neanderthal **** but an unfunny cvnt as well.
Thracian Posted 16 February 2013 Posted 16 February 2013 Honestly who on Earth gives a shit - or should that be a damn? Perhaps players should go out with placards in future giving details of exactly what they've got up with whom and how often in the previous week! I'd never heard of the guy, anyway and certainly won't remember his name because of this. But i might start selling placards - if only to solicit a better news story than this pathetic excuse.
Jon the Hat Posted 16 February 2013 Posted 16 February 2013 Honestly who on Earth gives a shit - or should that be a damn? Perhaps players should go out with placards in future giving details of exactly what they've got up with whom and how often in the previous week! I'd never heard of the guy, anyway and certainly won't remember his name because of this. But i might start selling placards - if only to solicit a better news story than this pathetic excuse. Some good missing the point there. The story is that all the famous gay players are in the closet.
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