Happy Fox Posted 19 February 2013 Posted 19 February 2013 This is the City I know the inconsistent team, we reverted back to shit no confident football what the f**k has happened?
Saxondale Posted 19 February 2013 Posted 19 February 2013 OK, let's cut through all the shite: They did their homework, put the effort in and defended with endless concentration, determination and stamina. Very well played Charlton. We, lacking in momentum after a couple of bad results and shaken by an early-ish Kermo-nightmare, lacked the inspiration it would have taken to break them down. It's very, very disappointing, but it's not the end of the world.
Father Ted Posted 19 February 2013 Posted 19 February 2013 I'll put it simply... Konchesky not good enough Keane not up to it yet Schmeichel at fault for 2nd big time
inckley fox Posted 19 February 2013 Posted 19 February 2013 Shit but no need to panic While the manager appears to agree you, I do hope he has rather more than this to say on the subject. I'm not sure what people mean by panicking. If you mean 'to worry' then yes, we should worry rather than waiting for us to fall out of the play offs. If you mean to drive barefoot to Dundee and smear excrement over the windows while sobbing maniacally, then obviously no, we shouldn't. We need a new midfield presence and this was clear after the game against Boro (at the very latest). Why wait until you're on a losing run to sort these things out? We need to vary our tactics in order to surprise opposition (yes, we were 'sussed' before we signed Wood and now, after a brief respite, we've been 'sussed' again). We need to give these players a wake-up call (James saying the loss to Huddersfield was 'a blessing in disguise' and Konchesky rounding on the fans were very worrying signs indeed). Most of all, our manager needs to stop telling us that all is well and good and no-one needs to worry. Some of us actually believe him.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 19 February 2013 Posted 19 February 2013 Blackpool away next, another nailed on defeat then
5waller5 Posted 19 February 2013 Posted 19 February 2013 I said it from day one of the season ..... Our squad is too small ..... This is the time to freshen things up both during the game and for the next game after a loss ..... but we haven't got anyone on the bench better than the first 11. That has to be laid firmly at the feet of NP who bizzarely oversold and then failed to get enough quality players to replace. It was always going to happen and it was always going to happen when the season got to the business end.
sbfox Posted 19 February 2013 Posted 19 February 2013 My piece, then I'm off for the night/week/month/whatever: 1) this forum continually reminds me that we have some of the worst fans in the country. Some of you seem to actively want us to do badly, some of you seem to actively think that we should win every game against 'tinpot' teams and the rest of you only show your faces when we lose. Try contributing to the board when we win please. 2) we have NO divine right to dominate this league. As ever, the Championship is incredibly tight and our squad is not leagues ahead of anyone else's. The fact that we signed Chris Wood, a relatively unproven lad, does not mean that we're going to walk the rest of the season. 3) being beaten by a fantastic goal is not the sign of the apocalypse, or that NFP has 'lost it'. We were simply unlucky, it happens in football. The Squad isnt good enough, outside of a one or two signings and some players on loan, we are still relying on players that are miles away. We have a good run, however we still create alot of chances and dont score enough goals. The difference (in general) despite a good goal differnce is that our strikers do not score enough goals vs the chances created and Kasper does not make enough match winning saves, i dont think he is ever makes the differnce in winning a game. This is a perfect indication. How about Middlesboro, about 6 weeks ago... Do you even watch our team?
Guest Col city fan Posted 19 February 2013 Posted 19 February 2013 While the manager appears to agree you, I do hope he has rather more than this to say on the subject. I'm not sure what people mean by panicking. If you mean 'to worry' then yes, we should worry rather than waiting for us to fall out of the play offs. If you mean to drive barefoot to Dundee and smear excrement over the windows while sobbing maniacally, then obviously no, we shouldn't. We need a new midfield presence and this was clear after the game against Boro (at the very latest). Why wait until you're on a losing run to sort these things out? We need to vary our tactics in order to surprise opposition (yes, we were 'sussed' before we signed Wood and now, after a brief respite, we've been 'sussed' again). We need to give these players a wake-up call (James saying the loss to Huddersfield was 'a blessing in disguise' and Konchesky rounding on the fans were very worrying signs indeed). Most of all, our manager needs to stop telling us that all is well and good and no-one needs to worry. Some of us actually believe him. Great post.. Yes Wood scored, but Morrison and Cort had Nuge and Wood in their back pocket for most of the game. This wasn't about lack of effort on either strikers part. It was about the fact that Powell had done his homework. The pair were pretty ineffectual for the whole game.
Thrill Bert Fox Posted 19 February 2013 Posted 19 February 2013 Think I might buy a slot on that horrendous advertising hoarding just to make a point - no midfield and I bet the flashing lights really helped the players. Unreal commercial benefit in front of football success. Heads should roll in our commercial department. Why did NP allow them to do that??
inckley fox Posted 19 February 2013 Posted 19 February 2013 Why "should" we win? Why do we have a right to win any match in this topsy-turvy league? What questions need answering? How did Haynes score a wonder goal? Why do some of ours fans insist on blaming the players, without considering how well the oppo played? Kermo had a fantastic game tonight, he was simply too good for us tonight. You appear to be saying that there was nothing we could have done to avoid losing tonight. We've conceded a lot of wonder goals because we allow players room to shoot on the edge of our box. See Wolves and countless other games. If we choose not to look at what we've done wrong ('why do some of our fans insist on blaming our players...?') then we accept that we are helpless to avoid defeats against anyone who plays well against us. So we may as well just forget promotion now and leave everyone blissfully blame-free.
sbfox Posted 19 February 2013 Posted 19 February 2013 Again... Excuses Of course we should have won the game! We are a near the top of the table side, with a full strength squad, at home, against a very average Charlton team. Yes they thwarted us very well tonight but they aren't a good team.. Look at their league position. We SHOULD absolutely have had enough in the tank to break them down and to win this match. Again, this shows to me that actually, we are still lacking sufficient quality to 'get the job done' when we bloody need to. Hull won again, Watford go matching on.. But we lose. So YES! Questions do need answering and pretty quickly. Even Forest look like they could come up in the rails, rejuvenated by Davis. What excuse? You're saying that Kermo didn't play brilliantly? You're saying that we SHOULD be winning every match? You do realise that sometimes...wait for it... Hull lose and we win. Remember that 5 game winning streak? Yeah. Not everyone can win every match, to think we should continue winning is utterly delusional. I mean, you are absolute mental. Forest win ONE match and suddenly they're world beaters? So again, what SPECIFIC questions need answering?
Guest Col city fan Posted 19 February 2013 Posted 19 February 2013 You appear to be saying that there was nothing we could have done to avoid losing tonight. We've conceded a lot of wonder goals because we allow players room to shoot on the edge of our box. See Wolves and countless other games. If we choose not to look at what we've done wrong ('why do some of our fans insist on blaming our players...?') then we accept that we are helpless to avoid defeats against anyone who plays well against us. So we may as well just forget promotion now and leave everyone blissfully blame-free. Goals conceded from around the edge of our area STILL come back to haunt us. They have done all season.
Dan Posted 19 February 2013 Posted 19 February 2013 Not good enough, or even close. We're bang off form and that was a shambles, there was nothing from the players or the fans from the start to get things up and going. We lose far too many to be a top two side, Hull, Watford & Cardiff are simply better sides. Hate Tuesday games at that place. Swear we hardly ever win.
sbfox Posted 19 February 2013 Posted 19 February 2013 You appear to be saying that there was nothing we could have done to avoid losing tonight. We've conceded a lot of wonder goals because we allow players room to shoot on the edge of our box. See Wolves and countless other games. If we choose not to look at what we've done wrong ('why do some of our fans insist on blaming our players...?') then we accept that we are helpless to avoid defeats against anyone who plays well against us. So we may as well just forget promotion now and leave everyone blissfully blame-free. Yes, that's the nature of any game... Sometimes you WILL lose when the opposition plays well. Sometimes it won't be your fault. Other times, you will win through a huge slice of luck. Its really quite simple.
inckley fox Posted 19 February 2013 Posted 19 February 2013 Goals conceded from around the edge of our area STILL come back to haunt us. They have done all season. Yes but it's not our fault...
kingfox Posted 19 February 2013 Posted 19 February 2013 Again... Excuses Of course we should have won the game! We are a near the top of the table side, with a full strength squad, at home, against a very average Charlton team. Yes they thwarted us very well tonight but they aren't a good team.. Look at their league position. We SHOULD absolutely have had enough in the tank to break them down and to win this match. Again, this shows to me that actually, we are still lacking sufficient quality to 'get the job done' when we bloody need to. Hull won again, Watford go matching on.. But we lose. So YES! Questions do need answering and pretty quickly. Even Forest look like they could come up in the rails, rejuvenated by Davis. On paper we are better than them, but just because their league position ain't anything to shout about, it doesn't mean they are going to be crap against us. Despite them being low down the table, they were physical in the air, Kermorgant dominated and we couldn't handle him, their midfield was more in the game, and when that happens we tend to lose, they didn't really dominate our midfield, but Matty James in particular was average and went missing for long periods of the game. We made stupid errors which they capitalised on, and the quality from out wide from our point of view was very poor, Knockaert is one of our main sources, and when he doesn't play well, we usually struggle, and Marshall despite some good crossing, was also average again. Doesn't matter what league position Charlton are in, the likes of Peterborough turned up at Cardiff and Hull and won.
Happy Fox Posted 19 February 2013 Posted 19 February 2013 I am pissed off with that performance we haven't been good for the past couple of games and the body language of the players doesn't seem to be right. A 9 point gap between second place and us we are going to have to go on another winning run to overhaul that gap hopefully we can but NP needs to bring in some loan players asap.
5waller5 Posted 19 February 2013 Posted 19 February 2013 It seems to me the delusions of grandeur thing has really created a cult of anti success zombies ..... The fans that after every defeat, yes the one to bottom of the league, and the two following ones to poor sides, are met with, "Your an idiot if you think we should win" or "We don't have a devine right to win against mediocre sides" or "what are we meant to do about sides putting 11 behind the ball". Wake up. We have spent heavily to get promotion ..... if your hero is to keep his job his time is running out - it's promotion or the dole queue. Time to be asking why we are losing and addressing it whilst there's still time and points to play for.
1964FOX Posted 19 February 2013 Posted 19 February 2013 Blackpool away next, another nailed on defeat then It's only 90 minutes of a great weekend, won't let the football ruin it.
lcfcsnow Posted 19 February 2013 Posted 19 February 2013 It's all gone wrong since this mysterious Wood 'injury'.
inckley fox Posted 19 February 2013 Posted 19 February 2013 Yes, that's the nature of any game... Sometimes you WILL lose when the opposition plays well. Sometimes it won't be your fault. Other times, you will win through a huge slice of luck. Its really quite simple. So it's just pure misfortune that Cardiff are, what, fourteen points ahead of us and Hull nine? I'm shocked that anyone thinks that a defeat at home, our third on the trot and our sixth lacklustre display on the bounce, can be purely down to bad luck!
Guest Col city fan Posted 19 February 2013 Posted 19 February 2013 What excuse? You're saying that Kermo didn't play brilliantly? You're saying that we SHOULD be winning every match? You do realise that sometimes...wait for it... Hull lose and we win. Remember that 5 game winning streak? Yeah. Not everyone can win every match, to think we should continue winning is utterly delusional. I mean, you are absolute mental. Forest win ONE match and suddenly they're world beaters? So again, what SPECIFIC questions need answering? 1. Why Pearson is so reluctant to shake up his tactics. 2. How such an average player as Kermogant can be so influential against us. 3. How the usually nimble David Nugent can go off the boil like he has. 4. Why Pearson doesn't play Andy King at home and Matty James away. Instead he does it vice-verca. 5. Why Pearson came out with a lot of bollox tonight in his post match interview (see Hinckley Fox's) post above. 6. Why Chris Powell can seemingly 'out-tactic' Nigel Pearson in such an important game for the club. 7. Why our fans, many of whom were so convinced that we were going up automatically only a couple of weeks ago, are now so suddenly satisfied with probable play-offs? Phew... There's 7 to be going on with..
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 19 February 2013 Posted 19 February 2013 It's only 90 minutes of a great weekend, won't let the football ruin it. Good point Gary
Hirsty The Blue 94 Posted 19 February 2013 Posted 19 February 2013 Again... Excuses Of course we should have won the game! We are a near the top of the table side, with a full strength squad, at home, against a very average Charlton team. Yes they thwarted us very well tonight but they aren't a good team.. Look at their league position. We SHOULD absolutely have had enough in the tank to break them down and to win this match. Again, this shows to me that actually, we are still lacking sufficient quality to 'get the job done' when we bloody need to. Hull won again, Watford go matching on.. But we lose. So YES! Questions do need answering and pretty quickly. Even Forest look like they could come up in the rails, rejuvenated by Davis. Cardiff should have comfortably had enough to beat Brighton.. but they didn't. The championship is the most unpredictable league in the world. When do results always go to the form book and teams at the top win every week? If they did I would win thousands of pounds every week from the bookies by backing the team who are in the top 6 to win every week. As I mentioned in a previous thread Palace won 2 in 12 at one point during the season,but now have found a bit of form and are flying again. This league is all about runs, win a few in a row and we will be up there, lose a few in a row and we can fall to mid table. The last 4 or 5 performances have been poor which I agree is an issue of concern. There are calls for loanees but which team will be willling to let a good player out on loan at this crunch stage of the season? We need a good win at the weekend to give us a fresh kick to try and cut the gap and gain momentum. And the last statement is laughable, A win and a draw at home against 2 shit teams and you are hailing Billy Davies as some sort of magician. People just need to take a step back and look at where we are in the table, look at the young and promising squad we currently have and realise actually we are doing alright. I think far too many got caught up when we won 5 on the spin and into the top 2 and thought we had made it.
Dan Posted 19 February 2013 Posted 19 February 2013 Charlton are a decent side at this level with a very good manager IMO The league table doesn't lie, they're an average side.
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