Brighton post match whatevers

[Babylon]

I think you are right about hindsight although I would suggest that is what we pay our manager to have, or at least the ability to think on his feet, which he appears not to have done - still it was an improvement and a win on Friday will have us all back on the edge of our seats I guess.....

I thought the move was a perfectly reasonable one myself, RDL's pace and him being a defender should have in theory offered greater protection to Moore, whilst also still offering an outlet down the right hand side.

If I remember the goal correctly both Moore and RDL were in a position to close down their player before he got a strike in on goal. The protection was there I think, neither of them did their job well enough.

Anyway, the biggest problem was giving the ball away in a needless position. Had that not happened none of these discussions would probably be taking place.

It was just a normal question, can't really see what the problem is with it, I'm just interested to know if their fan base has a large gay inclusion.

It's not just a normal question though is it, what on earth does it even matter. Drop it.

[Dan]

So, conversely, you think the 11 men on the field should take no responsibility for their performance, collectively or individually?

All these people saying that the buck stops with Pearson - they're right, he does bear the ultimate repsonsibility and he's never hidden from that fact; in every interview he gives he states that he takes full responsibility for results, but he also states that the players ahve to take responsibility too. It's not a case of one or the other taking responsibility, it's about BOTH parties taking responsibility for their performances, the players and the management.

If the players are turning up week in, week out thinking 'well it doesn't really matter how I play, it's the manager's fault if we lose - I'll still pick up my wages at the end of the month' then they want their contracts cancelling and chucking out of this club. They should want to win every single game and when they lose they should be looking at what they can do to rectify that in the next match. This culture of shifting responsibility from players to the manager is ridiculous - everyone at this football club has to take responsibility for our successes and our failures and that goes right from the boardroom to the dressing room.

Pearson does that and gets lambasted for getting rid of 'star' players and falling out with them. Pearson isn't ideal but he'll never ever win with some people.

[marbelladave]

I thought the move was a perfectly reasonable one myself, RDL's pace and him being a defender should have in theory offered greater protection to Moore, whilst also still offering an outlet down the right hand side.

If I remember the goal correctly both Moore and RDL were in a position to close down their player before he got a strike in on goal. The protection was there I think, neither of them did their job well enough.

Anyway, the biggest problem was giving the ball away in a needless position. Had that not happened none of these discussions would probably be taking place.

I have never favoured De Laet as anything other than a fullback but it pretty easy to see what NFP was trying to do by 'doubling up' on the right side, might even work on another occasion.

But on this occasion I think it was ill-conceived, primarily because Moore was still tasked with looking after Lua Lua with De Laet covering and picking up the pieces. Lua Lua had the beating of Moore, pretty much every time and the addition of De Laet did nothing to really change that.

Whoever was on the pitch, we needed De Laet to look after Lua Lua and that never happened, that was an error and it was pretty obvious at the time, even worse, it wasn't rectified when it became clear it was not working......

[marbelladave]

He's an off-ball player. On it he rarely gives it away and can finish, but the good side of King is off the ball, hence why he's called invisible etc...

All very true but I was commenting specifically on his use in an advanced role, which I thought something of a waste as it takes away from his all round game.

Just a thought, if you are going to play the system we played on saturday, with a midfielder playing a role well forward 'in the hole', then surely that player should be a creative type, ie Marshall or Knockaert.

Interestingly, King was given a simple defensive roll from that position in closing down Bridcutt, surely Marshall or Knockaert could have been as effective in that role......

[theessexfox]

I have never favoured De Laet as anything other than a fullback but it pretty easy to see what NFP was trying to do by 'doubling up' on the right side, might even work on another occasion.

But on this occasion I think it was ill-conceived, primarily because Moore was still tasked with looking after Lua Lua with De Laet covering and picking up the pieces. Lua Lua had the beating of Moore, pretty much every time and the addition of De Laet did nothing to really change that.

Whoever was on the pitch, we needed De Laet to look after Lua Lua and that never happened, that was an error and it was pretty obvious at the time, even worse, it wasn't rectified when it became clear it was not working......

There was a different point which I saw in the highlights, where Moore was on Lua Lua and De Laet behind, for some reason both covered the inside, he got past both on the outside... Pearson can't legislate for that. They nearly scored.

[Tempwan Yierban]

There was a different point which I saw in the highlights, where Moore was on Lua Lua and De Laet behind, for some reason both covered the inside, he got past both on the outside... Pearson can't legislate for that. They nearly scored.

Sorry - as a former centre back directly involved in coaching them, he cannot legislate for that?

He seemed to be getting a lot of praise when we were keeping clean sheets - apparently all down to his input as a former centre back, but obviously nothing to do with him, completely non-attributable to him. He simply could not legislate for that success either!

Unbelievable.

[1964FOX]

It was just a normal question, can't really see what the problem is with it, I'm just interested to know if their fan base has a large gay inclusion.

Due to the large gay community in Brighton they probably have slightly more gay fans than we do in all probability.

[Bausor]

Looking at the goal again RDL should have closed down Lua Lua alot faster got more tight to him.. instead he jogs outs and gives him space to shoot

[theessexfox]

Sorry - as a former centre back directly involved in coaching them, he cannot legislate for that?

He seemed to be getting a lot of praise when we were keeping clean sheets - apparently all down to his input as a former centre back, but obviously nothing to do with him, completely non-attributable to him. He simply could not legislate for that success either!

Unbelievable.

There's only so much he can do, when two players on a man both manage to let him go on the outside, that is their mistake.

[melrose]

Due to the large gay community in Brighton they probably have slightly more gay fans than we do in all probability.

Yeah that would make sense!

Not everyone is in the PC gone mad gestapo then!

[_Fatboyslow_]

Is it also fair to suggest that Lua Lua was to good for us ?

[Bausor]

Is it also fair to suggest that Lua Lua was to good for us ?

Maybe but for the goal he could have been closed down alot quicker..

[marbelladave]

There was a different point which I saw in the highlights, where Moore was on Lua Lua and De Laet behind, for some reason both covered the inside, he got past both on the outside... Pearson can't legislate for that. They nearly scored.

De Laet is a fullback who normally plays directly against the opposing winger but on this occasion he was asked to play a covering, supportive role and he wasn't very good at it. Would have been better had De Laet taken Lua Lua and Moore covering, a thought I had at the time.

Looking at the goal again RDL should have closed down Lua Lua alot faster got more tight to him.. instead he jogs outs and gives him space to shoot

Again, he was playing a covering role which he did not appear to relish, he is used to going one on one and getting tight, he looked a little lost at times.

Maybe but for the goal he could have been closed down alot quicker..

Same answer, if De Laet was picking up Lua Lua from the outset I doubt he would have got so much space.

[Fox92]

Just seen the goal again.

Said before De Laet can't defend, and I stand by that. Didn't close down Lua Lua. However, Kasper got beat at his near post which isn't good either.

[1964FOX]

Yeah that would make sense!

Not everyone is in the PC gone mad gestapo then!

You are right I am not in the PC gone mad brigade although I am a supporter of equality for all groups of people such as the gay community and the vast majority of LGBT people want equality only, they do not want to be highlighted or treated differently just left alone to get on with life. Those who are overly PC cause more problems than they solve in my opinion and generally don't have a clue and do things for there own benefit rather than the group they are supposedly supporting.

[Buzzell]

Just seen the goal again.

Said before De Laet can't defend, and I stand by that. Didn't close down Lua Lua. However, Kasper got beat at his near post which isn't good either.

Moore nowhere to be seen, RDL not closing down the man quick enough and Kasper not getting behind the shot. All errors from us.

[Tempwan Yierban]

There's only so much he can do, when two players on a man both manage to let him go on the outside, that is their mistake.

Oh I agree to an extent but if someone scores a screamer for example very often pro NP idiots can't wait to give NP the credit for picking whoever scored.

You just can't have it both ways.

[Babylon]

Oh I agree to an extent but if someone scores a screamer for example very often pro NP idiots can't wait to give NP the credit for picking whoever scored.

You just can't have it both ways.

Would love you to find an example of that.

[Tempwan Yierban]

Would love you to find an example of that.

If Gallagher was picked and scored a screamer you don't think he'd get credit for bringing him in? Ok.

[Leicesterpool]

I didn't know if this is true, but mate of mine said Jobber got kicked out at Brighton, any truth? Forgive me if it isn't

[lestajigs]

Is it also fair to suggest that Lua Lua was to good for us ?

Think RDL would of dealt with him

[Buzzell]

Think RDL would of dealt with him

Couldn't have done a worse job then Moore.

[Simmo86]

Moore nowhere to be seen, RDL not closing down the man quick enough and Kasper not getting behind the shot. All errors from us.

Moore challenged for the header and was on the deck.

RDL did a piss poor job of covering him

[Dan]

All very true but I was commenting specifically on his use in an advanced role, which I thought something of a waste as it takes away from his all round game.

Just a thought, if you are going to play the system we played on saturday, with a midfielder playing a role well forward 'in the hole', then surely that player should be a creative type, ie Marshall or Knockaert.

Interestingly, King was given a simple defensive roll from that position in closing down Bridcutt, surely Marshall or Knockaert could have been as effective in that role......

I'd have gone with James/King as our two and then Knockaert just behind a striker. Out wide probably Marshall and Schlupp, that striker being Nugent. If we kept the ball on the floor and created the chances we do for Wood that we create when he isn't in the side, we'd be laughing - this is why I think he scored so many at first, I think it's no co-incidence, OK scoring 5 in one and a half games is pretty special but he was the perfect fit, and I think we've tried to adapt around him in the total wrong way. I found it no co-incidence that we looked far better without him in the side.

[ozleicester]

I Didn't say all, I said 20%

But after a rethink I would lower that figure, without meaning to stereotype them, football would not really appeal to the gay community I'd have thought!

Praps you're right, the PC brigade are just waiting to throw the homophobic card in given any tiny excuse!... It makes them feel all warm inside because they've stood up for a persecuted minority!

It was just a normal question, can't really see what the problem is with it, I'm just interested to know if their fan base has a large gay inclusion.

Its not about PC and homophobia etc.. its absurd statements like "without meaning to stereotype them, football would not really appeal to the gay community I'd have thought"

I mean cmon, ... you do understand that "gay people".. are just like you and me.. except for who they are attracted to?

I have friends who love football, hate football and are ambivalent about it. Their sexuality has NO bearing on it.