Charl91 Posted 9 April 2013 Posted 9 April 2013 Has ANYTHING ELSE happened in the past 24 hours? Cos I sure as hell can't find it on the news. Maybe this is just cover for the North Korean invasion? North Korea killed Thatcher Where is El Empty?
Babylon Posted 9 April 2013 Posted 9 April 2013 Only to an observer. This is your judgement on how much someone should be 'suffering'. Well I'm suffering from seeing the unwashed spraying champagne about. More so than anyone maybe suffered at any time ever.
Deucalion Posted 9 April 2013 Posted 9 April 2013 Has ANYTHING ELSE happened in the past 24 hours? Cos I sure as hell can't find it on the news. Maybe this is just cover for the North Korean invasion? That weatherman who used to be on This Morning has been arrested for allegedly abusing children.
Vacamion Posted 9 April 2013 Posted 9 April 2013 You really think you are on to a winner here don't you? When in fact all you are doing is demonstrating that you don't understand the point, or for that matter, human beings. I will repeat, more in hope than expectation that you will open your mind a little. To an observer, the suffering of the Holocaust is worse. To the experiencer, the suffering is ... suffering. Your argument is the holocaust multiplied by colorectal cancer to the power of paedophilia. Either that, or it is annoying me a wee bit. After all, suffering is ... suffering
Charl91 Posted 9 April 2013 Posted 9 April 2013 You really think you are on to a winner here don't you? When in fact all you are doing is demonstrating that you don't understand the point, or for that matter, human beings. I will repeat, more in hope than expectation that you will open your mind a little. To an observer, the suffering of the Holocaust is worse. To the experiencer, the suffering is ... suffering. You're being deliberately obtuse and just repeating the same thing ad nauseum without actually attempting to discuss the points in question. To draw a conclusion from your point, what you are saying is that that you are either in a state suffering or you are not, and that all levels of suffering are essentially equal. Answer me this - do you honestly believe that? Because, by that logic, I can declare that Tony Blairs regime caused me a slight amount of suffering, and therefore it is as bad as Hitlers.
Deucalion Posted 9 April 2013 Posted 9 April 2013 Well I'm suffering from seeing the unwashed spraying champagne about. More so than anyone maybe suffered at any time ever. Nice to see their benefits being spent so wisely !! I don't think they do the cause of good any credit by looking so much like the kind of people you would expect to be doing that kind of thing.
Houdini Logic Posted 9 April 2013 Posted 9 April 2013 Has ANYTHING ELSE happened in the past 24 hours? Cos I sure as hell can't find it on the news. Maybe this is just cover for the North Korean invasion? I thought that this morning - first page of the Metro said Margaret Thatcher pages 2-15 (I was already on page 1) so I put it down and went on Reddit on my phone instead
The Doctor Posted 9 April 2013 Posted 9 April 2013 Ding Dong! The Witch Is Dead is now top of the amazon downloads chart and 5th on iTunes
I am Rod Hull Posted 9 April 2013 Posted 9 April 2013 Ding Dong! The Witch Is Dead is now top of the amazon downloads chart and 5th on iTunes I`v been humming that tune all day
Babylon Posted 9 April 2013 Posted 9 April 2013 You really think you are on to a winner here don't you? When in fact all you are doing is demonstrating that you don't understand the point, or for that matter, human beings. I will repeat, more in hope than expectation that you will open your mind a little. To an observer, the suffering of the Holocaust is worse. To the experiencer, the suffering is ... suffering. I completely understand your point, it's like arguing with someone about who is in the most pain! Suffering might well be suffering. But people judge it all the time, courts do it when dishing out compensation to victims of crime etc. Comparing Thatcher to the Holocaust is like comparing someone who had their bike nicked to someone who had their relative murdered. It is human nature to have more empathy for one than the other. I should add I know you aren't directly comparing the two.
Deucalion Posted 9 April 2013 Posted 9 April 2013 You're being deliberately obtuse and just repeating the same thing ad nauseum without actually attempting to discuss the points in question. To draw a conclusion from your point, what you are saying is that that you are either in a state suffering or you are not, and that all levels of suffering are essentially equal. Answer me this - do you honestly believe that? No. But anyone currently suffering is hardly likely to have that suffering relieved by being reminded that, by some unknown objective measure, someone once before suffered more. Can I just point out that I didn't originally say that, by some unknown objective measure of suffering, the miners and children of miners suffered as much as an African slave or a victim of the Holocaust. What I actually said was that anger at injustice is passed on through generations. This was the point I was making, the comparisons between these events was the result of someone missing the point of my post. The miners suffered greatly due to the economic policies of the Thatcher government. This lives on whether it offends anyone's sensibilities or not.
The Doctor Posted 9 April 2013 Posted 9 April 2013 I`v been humming that tune all day It's now my ringtone. Also, another picture from work:
Deucalion Posted 9 April 2013 Posted 9 April 2013 I completely understand your point, it's like arguing with someone about who is in the most pain! Suffering might well be suffering. But people judge it all the time, courts do it when dishing out compensation to victims of crime etc. Comparing Thatcher to the Holocaust is like comparing someone who had their bike nicked to someone who had their relative murdered. It is human nature to have more empathy for one than the other. I didn't compare the things. I made the point that the descendents of those who consider themselves wronged are very likely and justifiably going to carry a certain amount of anger through the generations. Therefore, it is perfectly valid for people who weren't born during the Thatcher governments to still be angry. Also, the snotty reply was intended for the person who called me a nasty name.
Babylon Posted 9 April 2013 Posted 9 April 2013 No. But anyone currently suffering is hardly likely to have that suffering relieved by being reminded that, by some unknown objective measure, someone once before suffered more. Can I just point out that I didn't originally say that, by some unknown objective measure of suffering, the miners and children of miners suffered as much as an African slave or a victim of the Holocaust. What I actually said was that anger at injustice is passed on through generations. This was the point I was making, the comparisons between these events was the result of someone missing the point of my post. The miners suffered greatly due to the economic policies of the Thatcher government. This lives on whether it offends anyone's sensibilities or not. Which goes back to how can people not directly involved rejoice with so much glee? I can empathise with people upset by her in the 80's, as I can empathise with someone gassed to death (one somewhat more than the other). But on both counts I don't go around spraying champagne, or rejoicing with glee if one of the causes dies. It seems to me such a fake and forced emotion to act like some are as they cannot possibly have the strength of feeling had they been involved. Much of it makes me quite uncomfortable.
Babylon Posted 9 April 2013 Posted 9 April 2013 I didn't compare the things. I made the point that the descendents of those who consider themselves wronged are very likely and justifiably going to carry a certain amount of anger through the generations. Therefore, it is perfectly valid for people who weren't born during the Thatcher governments to still be angry. Also, the snotty reply was intended for the person who called me a nasty name. I did edit my post before you replied to add I know it wasn't a direct comparison.
lavrentis Posted 9 April 2013 Posted 9 April 2013 It's now my ringtone. Also, another picture from work: Fight the powa
The Doctor Posted 9 April 2013 Posted 9 April 2013 So then... Number four in the charts - I need it to hit number one at half 7, I've got a sweepstake with a few friends as to when it'll hit number one.
Webbo Posted 9 April 2013 Posted 9 April 2013 It seems to me such a fake and forced emotion to act like some are as they cannot possibly have the strength of feeling had they been involved. Much of it makes me quite uncomfortable. It doesn't make me uncomfortable. If someone thinks that sinking a few jagermeisters and playing some crap songs on a radio station makes them Che Guevara let them get on with it. I'm not especially sad either, she was 87 years old nobody lives forever.
BoneDog Posted 9 April 2013 Posted 9 April 2013 Good article in my opinion. Despite Chavez being as far left as she was right, the way her death has been reported has been very different. http://www.guardian....death-etiquette I didn't know that Chavez had died. Sad news for Venezuela. The vultures have been circling that country for some time. The day that he, his cabinet and supporters sent the sick coup attempt packing in 2002 was probably the greatest feat of the century so far.
Charl91 Posted 9 April 2013 Posted 9 April 2013 No. But anyone currently suffering is hardly likely to have that suffering relieved by being reminded that, by some unknown objective measure, someone once before suffered more. I understand the point you're trying to make. But people suffer hardship to some degree under all regimes, so if Thatchers regime can be comparable to Hitlers, etc. then equally so can any other. Can I just point out that I didn't originally say that, by some unknown objective measure of suffering, the miners and children of miners suffered as much as an African slave or a victim of the Holocaust. What I actually said was that anger at injustice is passed on through generations. This was the point I was making, the comparisons between these events was the result of someone missing the point of my post.The miners suffered greatly due to the economic policies of the Thatcher government. This lives on whether it offends anyone's sensibilities or not. You're right, and I have more sympathy to the miners and even the relatives of those who suffered, and while I don't condone anyone partying and celebrating the death of another (especially for someone who probably did try their best for country), I can at least pretend to understand their anger. But the mock outrage from those to which had it had little to no personal impact on is ridiculous and unnecessary, and celebrating her death is disgusting.
absolutelegend Posted 9 April 2013 Posted 9 April 2013 I think this thread is a foxes talk all time low, for many reasons.
Houdini Logic Posted 9 April 2013 Posted 9 April 2013 Doctor, where do you work?! Can't think of many places where you could have that and not get sacked
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