Thatcher Dies

[MooseBreath]

I think this thread is a foxes talk all time low, for many reasons.

Or an all time high. I feel quite vindicated. I've long suggested that most of the lefties on here are hypocritical scum whose only legitimate reason for being a lefty is that it gives them someone to blame for the fact that they have never achieved anything. This thread is proof. Some absolutely disgusting comments on here from people who, laughably, consider themselves morally superior.

And the JUSTIFICATIONS... cor fooking blimey. Some juicy shit. BRB omgz i just scraped my hand on a TISSUE OMGODZ my suffering is ON A PAR with being STARVED TO DEATH IN A CONCENTRATION CAMP therefore my kids should feel entitled to HATE TISSUES just as much as other kids can hate Adolf fooking Hotler. Honestly, you couldn't make this shit up.

Lefties, be ashamed. You have been outed. We know what you really are.

[Deucalion]

I understand the point you're trying to make. But people suffer hardship to some degree under all regimes, so if Thatchers regime can be comparable to Hitlers, etc. then equally so can any other.

You're right, and I have more sympathy to the miners and even the relatives of those who suffered, and while I don't condone anyone partying and celebrating the death of another (especially for someone who probably did try their best for country), I can at least pretend to understand their anger.

But the mock outrage from those to which had it had little to no personal impact on is ridiculous and unnecessary, and celebrating her death is disgusting.

Jimmy Saville got a fair amount of negative press after he died. I bet a fair few felt pretty happy about it too. Is that wrong?

I personally don't think she did the best thing for the country. She did the best for those she considered acceptable. She could not give a fig for many others and set about destroying what they held most dear, in a way which probably felt pretty abusive to those that lived through it.

She is, also, a public figure. As the Guardian article points out, to not criticise her after her death would leave the pro-Thatcher propaganda unchallenged. History will necessarily judge her and both sides must be heard.

If the old lady down the street died, and people celebrated, I would be outraged. But lets keep a sense of perspective here. People are celebrating the death of Thatcher the politician and prime minister. No one here knew her personally.

Lastly, then I will shut up and go serve up the faggots and new potatoes (yum!), many, many people are doing it. There must be a need within the collective psyche for it to happen. I actually felt very sorry for Gaddafi when he was hauled around on the front of a truck before being murdered. I went through the same thought process as some people are now,being, he's just an old man.

But I hadn't lived through his regime. The Libyans must've had good reason to have so much hate for the man.

[Deucalion]

Or an all time high. I feel quite vindicated. I've long suggested that most of the lefties on here are hypocritical scum whose only legitimate reason for being a lefty is that it gives them someone to blame for the fact that they have never achieved anything. This thread is proof. Some absolutely disgusting comments on here from people who, laughably, consider themselves morally superior.

And the JUSTIFICATIONS... cor fooking blimey. Some juicy shit. BRB omgz i just scraped my hand on a TISSUE OMGODZ my suffering is ON A PAR with being STARVED TO DEATH IN A CONCENTRATION CAMP therefore my kids should feel entitled to HATE TISSUES just as much as other kids can hate Adolf fooking Hotler. Honestly, you couldn't make this shit up.

Lefties, be ashamed. You have been outed. We know what you really are.

This doesn't make as much sense as you think it does.

Anyway, faggots !!

[The Doctor]

Doctor, where do you work?!

Can't think of many places where you could have that and not get sacked

1in12, anarchist club in Bradford, they put on the party last night.

[Ross-Kemp]

Left wing scum.

[Guest Bilo]

Left wing scum.

Yeah, we're all the same.

I'm feeling sick because of my hangover and bloated from all the jelly and ice cream.

[Charl91]

Jimmy Saville got a fair amount of negative press after he died. I bet a fair few felt pretty happy about it too. Is that wrong?

I personally don't think she did the best thing for the country. She did the best for those she considered acceptable. She could not give a fig for many others and set about destroying what they held most dear, in a way which probably felt pretty abusive to those that lived through it.

She is, also, a public figure. As the Guardian article points out, to not criticise her after her death would leave the pro-Thatcher propaganda unchallenged. History will necessarily judge her and both sides must be heard.

As I said earlier, I agree with the general gist - that you shouldn't just say "nice things" about Thatcher just because she's recently died, since that's just historical revisionism. At the same time, I don't believe that extends to partying and celebrating her death. There's a difference between saying that you believe her to be not a nice person/a poor politician and actively celebrating the fact that she died.

If the old lady down the street died, and people celebrated, I would be outraged. But lets keep a sense of perspective here. People are celebrating the death of Thatcher the politician and prime minister. No one here knew her personally.

But why celebrate her death? I can easily understand celebrating when she was no longer in power/having an effect on peoples lives. But she was not longer in a position to have an impact on people - what is to be gained, other then vindictiveness?

Lastly, then I will shut up and go serve up the faggots and new potatoes (yum!), many, many people are doing it. There must be a need within the collective psyche for it to happen. I actually felt very sorry for Gaddafi when he was hauled around on the front of a truck before being murdered. I went through the same thought process as some people are now,being, he's just an old man.

But I hadn't lived through his regime. The Libyans must've had good reason to have so much hate for the man.

Like you said earlier though, a sense of perspective is needed - Thatcher was elected 3 times, she was no Gaddafi-like dictator. Thinking on it, there are some historical figures which I would wish death upon/celebrate (the Hitlers and Stalins of the world spring to mind), those who I believe to be genuinely "evil". I guess it comes down to whether you genuinely believe Thatcher to be "evil" or not. From my (somewhat limited) historical knowledge, she did what she thought was best for the country. You can argue till the cows come home that she made wrong decisions economically/politically/socially, but at the end of the day, I don't believe she was an evil person, or anywhere near that category of person.

[BoneDog]

I actually felt very sorry for Gaddafi when he was hauled around on the front of a truck before being murdered. I went through the same thought process as some people are now,being, he's just an old man.

But I hadn't lived through his regime. The Libyans must've had good reason to have so much hate for the man.

I'm sure they weren't Libyans who killed Gaddafi. It was a mish mash of paid-for terrorists and secret servicemen from Europe. I'm also sure that the majority of Libyans were satisfied with Gaddafi when compared to alternatives.

[Deucalion]

We'll have to disagree on the 'evil' point. I'm not a religious person, so what I really mean by evil is probably more akin to a psychopath. I think she had no regard for the pain and suffering she caused. She was also responsible for many deaths, whether that be suicides caused in communities where all hope for the future had gone, (not everyone had a bike) IRA terrorists shot on sight, or young, conscript sailors drowned on the General Belgrano, A war, by the way, she caused by her defence cuts.

Why are people celebrating her death? Well, why did people mourn Diana? There must be a collective need for people to do so. Something exists in the minds of many people which leads them to act in a similar way. It does seem similar to celebrations seen when dictators have died. It's not pleasant to watch from the outside but people must need to do it. There is obviously a great need in many people for them to act in a vulgar and distasteful way to mark the death of this particular prime minister.It might have to do with the powerlessness of people who are abused by their governments.

I know Thatcher was elected but I don't see a huge distinction between someone who seizes power to abuse a proportion of the population and someone who is elected and abuses a proportion of the population. There are the same feelings of being abused and powerless regardless of how the particular person gained their position of power.

Personally, I haven't celebrated her death but this is probably because I am a miserable middle aged man. I have sat in my living room, ranted to anyone who will listen about it and posted my opinions on an internet forum. I am amused by the people celebrating however, as I have a deep rooted hatred of the woman. I will not cry any crocodile tears for her either.

If I were you, instead of criticising individuals, I would sit back and experience what is a pretty unique phenomenon in Great Britian. Maybe the reasons for it will be explained in the fulness of time by people better able than I.

[Leicfox]

ATOS has just declared Thatcher fit for work.

[Deucalion]

I'm sure they weren't Libyans who killed Gaddafi. It was a mish mash of paid-for terrorists and secret servicemen from Europe. I'm also sure that the majority of Libyans were satisfied with Gaddafi when compared to alternatives.

I pretty much disagree with all of that !!

[Babylon]

Why are people celebrating her death? Well, why did people mourn Diana?

Ha quite funny you put that considering I was just logging in to say it reminds me of the fake grief shown by people about Diana, but just the opposite!

[Deucalion]

Ha quite funny you put that considering I was just logging in to say it reminds me of the fake grief shown by people about Diana, but just the opposite!

For the record, I ignored the whole Diana thing. I did not even turn the TV on that day because I could not care less and did not want to hear a load of rubbish about what a good person she was.

It did puzzle me why so many people felt the need to do it though.

[BoneDog]

I pretty much disagree with all of that !!

How?!! French secret service were working with the terrorists long before that day and were at the scene.

[BoneDog]

For the record, I ignored the whole Diana thing. I did not even turn the TV on that day because I could not care less and did not want to hear a load of rubbish about what a good person she was.

Did you think she wasn't a good person? I thought she was lovely myself!

[Deucalion]

Did you think she wasn't a good person? I thought she was lovely myself!

You have to do more than step off your billionaire boyfriend's boat into a pretend minefield wearing a welding mask to impress me !!

[Kitchandro]

Dictator's deaths are celebrated because up until their death they had been oppressing the people. Even if Thatcher was opressing the people (and lets get real here, she wasn't to the extent that some hated dictators were) she hadn't been doing it for over 20 years.

When certain dictators die certain people are relieved, that's why they're happy. You can't use that excuse now. If you enjoy certain people dying don't sugar coat it.

By the way, it amazes me how irate some get about people with different political views on here.

[Sharpe's Fox]

I am way too young to properly remember even John Major, but I recognize the massive impact Thatcher had on the country. I feel taking back the Falklands was very much a plus point on her half, but obviously the Armed Forces should take most of the credit.

As an 18 year old just entering the world of work I cannot help but see the Unions (or their leaders) as egocentric, time wasting strike monkeys. I feel sorry for the policemen, firefighters and teachers who's live are being ruined by the Tory's but certainly not the people who run the unions, so my view on the miners strike is slightly blurred. To be honest I don't even know what the poll tax was but I think the selling of council houses was a great shout.

My entire, working class family hates her and her party, but my opinion of her is probably more positive than negative....

[flowwolf]

Tuck in chaps.

Fvck me your using Charlie Brooker as some kind of thinking mans icon. He is an utter out and out left wing vagina of the highest order. Have you seen any of his piss poor rent a rant shows on tv ? no and no body else watches that shite either.

[flowwolf]

For all the Ben Elton wannabee arse lickers here is a message . Mrs Thatcher did more in her life time than any off you gutless left wing pygmy's could ever hope to do.

[Vacamion]

egocentric, time wasting strike monkeys.

Nice, but I prefer shitgibbons, c0ckwombles, fingerpigs or frigpandas.

[BoneDog]

By the way, it amazes me how irate some get about people with different political views on here.

I think some of them would defend their 'colour' to the death - no matter what the policies are!

[Finnegan]

I am way too young to properly remember even John Major, but I recognize the massive impact Thatcher had on the country. I feel taking back the Falklands was very much a plus point on her half, but obviously the Armed Forces should take most of the credit.

As an 18 year old just entering the world of work I cannot help but see the Unions (or their leaders) as egocentric, time wasting strike monkeys. I feel sorry for the policemen, firefighters and teachers who's live are being ruined by the Tory's but certainly not the people who run the unions, so my view on the miners strike is slightly blurred. To be honest I don't even know what the poll tax was but I think the selling of council houses was a great shout.

My entire, working class family hates her and her party, but my opinion of her is probably more positive than negative....

There are corrupt union leaders, most definitely. The flaw with the union system is the same as the flaw with most things in life, human nature. Unfortunately it is possible for a few self interested individuals to get a little too much power and authority and for them to run riot with it. My father was once black listed from his union by a right moron of a mini-Hitler local secretary for refusing to leave a children's home unattended (having joined the picket on numerous other occasions.)

But to denounce all union activity as the act of the workshy, lazy or egocentric is just mad.

I genuinely don't understand people not interested in union membership in any era. Being collectively organized as a work force enough to at least defend your own working conditions is surely an important thing if you don't want to be resoundly bullied by an employer holding all the cards.

At the end of the day, the mid to low level workforce represent the majority, not just in a single company, but in the wider population. We have a democratic vote in our lives away from work and we should have a democratic say in our lives at work.

[purpleronnie]

There are corrupt union leaders, most definitely. The flaw with the union system is the same as the flaw with most things in life, human nature. Unfortunately it is possible for a few self interested individuals to get a little too much power and authority and for them to run riot with it. My father was once black listed from his union by a right moron of a mini-Hitler local secretary for refusing to leave a children's home unattended (having joined the picket on numerous other occasions.)

But to denounce all union activity as the act of the workshy, lazy or egocentric is just mad.

I genuinely don't understand people not interested in union membership in any era. Being collectively organized as a work force enough to at least defend your own working conditions is surely an important thing if you don't want to be resoundly bullied by an employer holding all the cards.

At the end of the day, the mid to low level workforce represent the majority, not just in a single company, but in the wider population. We have a democratic vote in our lives away from work and we should have a democratic say in our lives at work.

Agreed its worrying how much distain some have of the unions in the UK nowadays especially the younger generation.

[Finnegan]

Agreed its worrying how much distain some have of the unions in the UK nowadays especially the younger generation.

Especially with such charismatic and charming public figureheads like Bob Crow leading the charge.