Joe Dodoo - 2 year Contract

[FrankieWorthoYaggedMyWife]

yeah like schlupp, gradel, king, moore, stearman et al. shut up.

Schlupp still has plenty to prove, Gradel's impact here was minimal, Moore has looked out of his depth at times this year and Stearman is distinctly average. King I will give you.

 

How many have we produced in the last 20 years that have either moved on to better things or had a genuine impact in the first team here? Joachim, Heskey, Gradel, King??? For every one of them we churn out 15 Tommy Wrights and Steffan Oakes. Oh, don't forget Guy Branston!

 

Our record of bringing through players is woeful.

 

I am will to bet my left bollock that Dodoo, Taft and Hooper have as much impact on the first team as Eric Odihambo.... They are just here to fulfil our Academy/Reserve/7-a-side fixtures and will move on to the likes or Morecombe inside 2/3 years.

 

I'd love to be wrong but its simply a fact. And while I am in Rafa Benitez mode, here are some more FACTS....

 

We have the ugliest fans in the country - FACT

 

We have one of the most uneducated, football wise, set of fans in the country - FACT

 

Filbert Street, despite its decent atmosphere (on occaisions), was a shit hole - FACT

 

Our pies are crap - FACT

 

Susan Whelan is not a fit a Karren Brady - FACT

 

Anyone who doesn't like The Smiths is a tw@t (Kid's google Morrissey) - FACT

 

The quality of football we played under O'Neill was junk - FACT

 

I know a girl who hosed Frank Sinclair and he wasn't that big - FACT

 

We ALWAYS have crap kits - FACT

[FoxKing10]

Schlupp still has plenty to prove, Gradel's impact here was minimal, Moore has looked out of his depth at times this year and Stearman is distinctly average. King I will give you.

 

How many have we produced in the last 20 years that have either moved on to better things or had a genuine impact in the first team here? Joachim, Heskey, Gradel, King??? For every one of them we churn out 15 Tommy Wrights and Steffan Oakes. Oh, don't forget Guy Branston!

 

Our record of bringing through players is woeful.

 

I am will to bet my left bollock that Dodoo, Taft and Hooper have as much impact on the first team as Eric Odihambo.... They are just here to fulfil our Academy/Reserve/7-a-side fixtures and will move on to the likes or Morecombe inside 2/3 years.

 

I'd love to be wrong but its simply a fact. And while I am in Rafa Benitez mode, here are some more FACTS....

 

We have the ugliest fans in the country - FACT

 

We have one of the most uneducated, football wise, set of fans in the country - FACT

 

Filbert Street, despite its decent atmosphere (on occaisions), was a shit hole - FACT

 

Our pies are crap - FACT

 

Susan Whelan is not a fit a Karren Brady - FACT

 

Anyone who doesn't like The Smiths is a tw@t (Kid's google Morrissey) - FACT

 

The quality of football we played under O'Neill was junk - FACT

 

I know a girl who hosed Frank Sinclair and he wasn't that big - FACT

 

We ALWAYS have crap kits - FACT

Your an IDIOT - fact. Our youth team is fantastic, maybe the best we ever had . Show some respect to the boys who have a earned the right to wear the shirt.

[FrankieWorthoYaggedMyWife]

Your an IDIOT - fact. Our youth team is fantastic, maybe the best we ever had . Show some respect to the boys who have a earned the right to wear the shirt.

where as I have clearly listed players who have failed to make it, you just label it fantastic with no evidence? And don't tell me they came 1st in some youth league because that means the square root of **** all in term of developing first team players!

[Xen]

where as I have clearly listed players who have failed to make it, you just label it fantastic with no evidence? And don't tell me they came 1st in some youth league because that means the square root of **** all in term of developing first team players!

 

England youth call ups for Dodoo, Taft, Fox, Moore, Sesay (and, seeing as they're still young and training with the academy/reserves sometimes, we can include Waghorn and Marshall there as well, alongside Knockaert for France), and several others.

Several players have been out on loan to gain experience, as they are currently not quite developed enough for us, and by most accounts have done well. Larrauri, Taft, Hopper etc.

In general they've done well when called up to the full squad. Hopper, Schlupp, Panayiotu, Moore.

We currently have a 2 home-grown internationals on our books in King and Schlupp.

We have done well in youth/reserve leagues (so our academy players our better than other team's academy players) and we won the HK Soccer 7s recently, so our players clearly have talent and potential.

 

And that's just the current crop of players. 

 

Not to mention the fact that we seem to be a desirable destination for Manchester United to send their youth players to to get experience - something that would not be the case were our youth setup not fantastic.

[Guest MattP]

From what I've seen of our youth team none of them are anywhere near ready for first team football.

 

Our academy has bought nothing through of note since Heskey and I don't see that changing soon.

[luke the fox]

Schlupp still has plenty to prove, Gradel's impact here was minimal, Moore has looked out of his depth at times this year and Stearman is distinctly average. King I will give you.

 

How many have we produced in the last 20 years that have either moved on to better things or had a genuine impact in the first team here? Joachim, Heskey, Gradel, King??? For every one of them we churn out 15 Tommy Wrights and Steffan Oakes. Oh, don't forget Guy Branston!

 

Our record of bringing through players is woeful.

 

I am will to bet my left bollock that Dodoo, Taft and Hooper have as much impact on the first team as Eric Odihambo.... They are just here to fulfil our Academy/Reserve/7-a-side fixtures and will move on to the likes or Morecombe inside 2/3 years.

 

I'd love to be wrong but its simply a fact. And while I am in Rafa Benitez mode, here are some more FACTS....

 

We have the ugliest fans in the country - FACT

 

We have one of the most uneducated, football wise, set of fans in the country - FACT

 

Filbert Street, despite its decent atmosphere (on occaisions), was a shit hole - FACT

 

Our pies are crap - FACT

 

Susan Whelan is not a fit a Karren Brady - FACT

 

Anyone who doesn't like The Smiths is a tw@t (Kid's google Morrissey) - FACT

 

The quality of football we played under O'Neill was junk - FACT

 

I know a girl who hosed Frank Sinclair and he wasn't that big - FACT

 

We ALWAYS have crap kits - FACT

Shut the fvck up!

P.s our pies are really nice.

[Dan]

It's gonna take a brave manager to give any of these young players a sustained chance. I don't think that's Pearson.

I'd really like a manager at the club who genuinely looked at the youth team and had the patience and the charisma to nurture one or two of these boys through. It's always quite exciting when one of your home grown breaks through. I remember when it happened with Heskey. Alas, I don't think Pearson seems too bothered. Could be wrong.

 

As would I.

 

A few clubs do it but nowhere near enough. The majority are far more interested in 'names' rather than letting something develop. The demands of the Premier League has killed our national side.

[harpendenfox]

Joe simply has to succeed, as we have a No Limits style chant at the ready

Dodoo, Joseph Dodoo, Joseph Dodoo, Joseph Dodoo Dodoo - repeat ad infinitum

[Manwell Pablo]

From what I've seen of our youth team none of them are anywhere near ready for first team football.

 

Our academy has bought nothing through of note since Heskey and I don't see that changing soon.

 

Depends what you're after really, the team 7 years ago did produce about 8 or 9 professional players, just a shame only Andy King and Max Gradel were good enough for our first team and in most their cases, their mediocrity was only matched by their arrogance (especially the left full backs) 

[Wymsey]

Our academy has bought nothing through of note since Heskey and I don't see that changing soon.

 

Max Gradel, now in the French 1st Division. 

[Guest MattP]

Depends what you're after really, the team 7 years ago did produce about 8 or 9 professional players, just a shame only Andy King and Max Gradel were good enough for our first team and in most their cases, their mediocrity was only matched by their arrogance (especially the left full backs) 

 

I want us produce 2 or 3 players every few years that are capable of playing at the level we all want the club to play at.

 

That just doesn't happen now, I'd rather have a poor youth team with 2/3 individuals excelling rather than a good team with no standouts that wins trophies.

 

When you look at what similar sized clubs like Southampton are bringing through we must be doing something wrong.

[Guest Col city fan]

As would I.

A few clubs do it but nowhere near enough. The majority are far more interested in 'names' rather than letting something develop. The demands of the Premier League has killed our national side.

Can't agree more Dan.

IMO the Premiership doesn't help our national team at all.

Oxlade, for example, is an England regular yet rarely starts for the Arsenal.

If this doesn't change I can see the National Team having no success for the next 20 years.

All this 'centre of excellence' stuff for young players is of NO use if those that come through it then can't break into the Premiership sides.

[Rincewind]

Pearson has to trust his youth staff without interfering. He concentrates on the first team and must have regular reports on the young players. He'll play them when the time is right.

[Manwell Pablo]

Can't agree more Dan.

IMO the Premiership doesn't help our national team at all.

Oxlade, for example, is an England regular yet rarely starts for the Arsenal.

If this doesn't change I can see the National Team having no success for the next 20 years.

All this 'centre of excellence' stuff for young players is of NO use if those that come through it then can't break into the Premiership sides.

 

41 League apperances in two seasons at 19?

 

Seems plenty to me.

[FrankieWorthoYaggedMyWife]

41 League apperances in two seasons at 19?

 

Seems plenty to me.

 

Exactly - simple fact is if the young British players are good enough they will come through. The young players that come through our academy on the whole are not good enough for the level we are playing at. The facts prove this. No manager is going to ignore some machine in his youth team just because he is young, its simply because they are generally a bit crap in our case!

[Guest Col city fan]

Exactly - simple fact is if the young British players are good enough they will come through. The young players that come through our academy on the whole are not good enough for the level we are playing at. The facts prove this. No manager is going to ignore some machine in his youth team just because he is young, its simply because they are generally a bit crap in our case!

There are plenty of examples of good young English players who's careers took a major nose dive by signing for bigger clubs in the Prem. Money wise, they were laughing, but playing week in, week out came to a standstill.

Scott Sinclair is a good example...a very good young winger, and a permanent feature for Swansea went to Man City and has played next to no football.

Adam Johnson, now a regular at Sunderland, also suffered the same fate at Man City.

Oxlade, to be great for England, needs to be playing week-in, week-out, not just simply a bit part player at Arsenal... This could get worse if Wenger goes out and spends his war chest in the summer.

Wellbeck at Man Utd has effectively been replaced by RVP.

I DO think these and other examples are players that could have really gone on to shine in an England shirt, but are not and have not played enough football at club level to really kick on to the next level.

Yes, you can say that if they are good enough, they will be played. But to become good you need to play? A vicious circle becomes apparent therefore.

IMO.

[HoustonFox]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22687663

 

Can we really name a club that is a conveyor belt of young talent?  No one is doing it and those clubs we don't follow everyday seem like they are but what's their actual success rate percentage wise? Yes, Southampton seem  to be doing well with wingers and left backs but besides that, who else really?  Most of the best players are either brought in from abroad, develop in lower leagues (less frequent) and mature later or are signed from a smaller club (Phil Jones).  It's very difficult physically for most 18 yr olds to play in the professional game, especially the English one due to the physciality of it.  If we were in Spain or Brazil then maybe the more technical nature may result in players evolving.  The chances of there being a world beater from the youth team is low.  They have to learn not only how to be technically good but play in a the new team dynamic and environment against tougher opponents.

 

It doesn't help that most of our fans have the patience of a 3 year old in Toys R Us either.  They are branded a world beater and then at the first mistake they are average (or even worse shit) and then never given a chance.  

[Stadt]

We need to sing his name to the Pink panther tune, Dodoo Dodoo Dodoo Dodoo Dodoo Dodoo Joe Dodooo!

[ramadaone]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22687663

 

Can we really name a club that is a conveyor belt of young talent?  No one is doing it and those clubs we don't follow everyday seem like they are but what's their actual success rate percentage wise? Yes, Southampton seem  to be doing well with wingers and left backs but besides that, who else really?  Most of the best players are either brought in from abroad, develop in lower leagues (less frequent) and mature later or are signed from a smaller club (Phil Jones).  It's very difficult physically for most 18 yr olds to play in the professional game, especially the English one due to the physciality of it.  If we were in Spain or Brazil then maybe the more technical nature may result in players evolving.  The chances of there being a world beater from the youth team is low.  They have to learn not only how to be technically good but play in a the new team dynamic and environment against tougher opponents.

 

It doesn't help that most of our fans have the patience of a 3 year old in Toys R Us either.  They are branded a world beater and then at the first mistake they are average (or even worse shit) and then never given a chance.

Absolutely spot on

[Aus Fox]

You're right when you say we have produced few world beaters in the last 20 years but we have a lot of tony lads playing in league one, two and in the SPL as well as players such as sterman who had a long premiership career, and Matt Piper who but for injury would have been a very good premier league player.

The likes of Sheehan, Ashton, Kee, McKay, Gradel, King, Schluup, Piper i could go on proves while we haven't been amazing over the last 20 years we are not far away.

[MPH]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22687663

 

Can we really name a club that is a conveyor belt of young talent?  No one is doing it and those clubs we don't follow everyday seem like they are but what's their actual success rate percentage wise? Yes, Southampton seem  to be doing well with wingers and left backs but besides that, who else really?  Most of the best players are either brought in from abroad, develop in lower leagues (less frequent) and mature later or are signed from a smaller club (Phil Jones).  It's very difficult physically for most 18 yr olds to play in the professional game, especially the English one due to the physciality of it.  If we were in Spain or Brazil then maybe the more technical nature may result in players evolving.  The chances of there being a world beater from the youth team is low.  They have to learn not only how to be technically good but play in a the new team dynamic and environment against tougher opponents.

 

It doesn't help that most of our fans have the patience of a 3 year old in Toys R Us either.  They are branded a world beater and then at the first mistake they are average (or even worse shit) and then never given a chance.  

 

Man United seem to produce some decent young English Talent... but that's about it! Them and Crewe when Dario Gradi was involved there...

[Aus Fox]

Alex Cisak is the latest player to come through our youth ranks to join a championship side. Just signed for Burnley

[FrankieWorthoYaggedMyWife]

Alex Cisak is the latest player to come through our youth ranks to join a championship side. Just signed for Burnley

 

He makes Conrad Logan look like Buffon! Another gash product off the production line.... File next to Martin Fox, Martin Reeves and Eric Odihambo......

[Libertine Dream]

Man United seem to produce some decent young English Talent... but that's about it! Them and Crewe when Dario Gradi was involved there...

He still is and they've got some decent player just come through or coming through, maybe not superstars but certainly worthy of the Premier League

[Dan]

I want us produce 2 or 3 players every few years that are capable of playing at the level we all want the club to play at.

 

That just doesn't happen now, I'd rather have a poor youth team with 2/3 individuals excelling rather than a good team with no standouts that wins trophies.

 

When you look at what similar sized clubs like Southampton are bringing through we must be doing something wrong.

 

Bang on.

 

Can't agree more Dan.

IMO the Premiership doesn't help our national team at all.

Oxlade, for example, is an England regular yet rarely starts for the Arsenal.

If this doesn't change I can see the National Team having no success for the next 20 years.

All this 'centre of excellence' stuff for young players is of NO use if those that come through it then can't break into the Premiership sides.

 

It doesn't help because it's ALL short-termism. The demands of the league and the nature in how fast things change don't help - nor does having clubs like Man City & Chelsea who regularly sign good players they don't need and effectively ruin them.

 

Amazes me that people think St George's Park will sort everything. It's a facility and nothing more. It's a facility that is very good, and gives us an advantage should we use it right - but watch England play at any level, listen to what the coaches come out with, do people really think we'll make the most of it?

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22687663

 

Can we really name a club that is a conveyor belt of young talent?  No one is doing it and those clubs we don't follow everyday seem like they are but what's their actual success rate percentage wise? Yes, Southampton seem  to be doing well with wingers and left backs but besides that, who else really?  Most of the best players are either brought in from abroad, develop in lower leagues (less frequent) and mature later or are signed from a smaller club (Phil Jones).  It's very difficult physically for most 18 yr olds to play in the professional game, especially the English one due to the physciality of it.  If we were in Spain or Brazil then maybe the more technical nature may result in players evolving.  The chances of there being a world beater from the youth team is low.  They have to learn not only how to be technically good but play in a the new team dynamic and environment against tougher opponents.

 

It doesn't help that most of our fans have the patience of a 3 year old in Toys R Us either.  They are branded a world beater and then at the first mistake they are average (or even worse shit) and then never given a chance.  

 

The obsession with physicality in this league is also an embarrassment and another thing that holds the national team back. This absolute myth that you only survive in the Premier if you're well built is absolute nonsense and filters out so many potentially quality players - look at Mata, absolutely cracking player and how physical is he?

 

The physical approach is dated and the emphasis on it is amazing. This isn't a dig at you either, it's just so many seem to think you're incapable of playing in our league if you're not a physical player. I guarantee if one side signed even Messi you'd get the so called 'experts' questioning whether he could deal with the physicality of the league.

 

It's all reflected in our youth system as well. Is being a small player really a problem? It's honestly disappointing the amount of talent we've absolutely pissed away in this country on players because they're not tall enough. This for me, is the main problem with the national side and it's a mentality so many have without even realising it.