Guest MattP Posted 8 June 2013 Posted 8 June 2013 The long legged mack daddy needs a new bogeyman. People will start to look at his failed domestic policies or his broken promise to close Guantanamo if he doesn't get one.
Vlad the Fox Posted 8 June 2013 Posted 8 June 2013 It's what happens when technology meets the Wild West.
sphericalfox Posted 8 June 2013 Posted 8 June 2013 It's America's attempt to defeat insubordination on the interwebs both internally and externally. What America fears most is their population actually thinking for themselves, undoing more than 100 years of indoctrination and manipulation. Frankly it's no different than this the UK, though there's a health cynicism in this country, this has to be handled and manipulated that little bit more carefully, a snooper's charter is coming in one form or another, yet it already exists unofficially, it's just legally if they want to use the evidence they already have, they need their legal ducks in a row. I wonder how many of the lulsecs, and anonymous hackers arrested for interweb crimes will be turned.
Orkneyfox Posted 8 June 2013 Posted 8 June 2013 I think I will buy some pigeons. I can keep them in here and send messages to Foxestalk central. It might be a little more tricky sending nice pics of Milfs but that is a sacrifice I will have to make for our collective freedom. Seriously state spies have been a round as long as there has been any form of state control of our lives. They can just see deeper and further now and that isn't right.
Jordan Posted 8 June 2013 Posted 8 June 2013 Loads of comments here about how evil the US gubmint is, but nary a peep about the role of corporations in this. These same companies spy on us all of the time for their own research, and they're only too willing to participate in PRISM. The long legged mack daddy needs a new bogeyman.OBAMA PIMPS WHITE WOMEN AND BLACK WOMEN
sphericalfox Posted 8 June 2013 Posted 8 June 2013 Loads of comments here about how evil the US gubmint is, but nary a peep about the role of corporations in this. These same companies spy on us all of the time for their own research, and they're only too willing to participate in PRISM. OBAMA PIMPS WHITE WOMEN AND BLACK WOMEN Corporations/ governments are more or less in this day and age, one and the same.
FoxyPV Posted 8 June 2013 Posted 8 June 2013 Is anyone really surprised by this? Facebook and social media all use your likes etc to target advertising specific to you. This is just one step further. Nothing on the Internet is private.
FoxesAreBlue Posted 9 June 2013 Posted 9 June 2013 Like store loyalty card points etc, why do they offer them to you? Why to monitors your shopping habits of course!
The Year Of The Fox Posted 9 June 2013 Posted 9 June 2013 http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22836378 Anyone want to run a sweepstake on the how long it'll be before this chaps written off?
Parafox Posted 9 June 2013 Posted 9 June 2013 Is anyone really surprised by this? Facebook and social media all use your likes etc to target advertising specific to you. This is just one step further. Nothing on the Internet is private. What other reason would there be for Facebook wanting to sync all your contacts from your android device? And when an app is installed, why does it need to read my list of contacts or modify my USB storage? I'm pleased to note that MILF didn't appear on that long list of dodgy search terms.
ozleicester Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 On the upside, every american has a submachine gun... and seem quite happy to use them. Give them another 50 years they will have all killed each other.
MC Prussian Posted 10 June 2013 Author Posted 10 June 2013 An interesting comment on the subject: Did Obama Just Destroy the U.S. Internet Industry? News about the National Security Agency's PRISM program and its privileged access to internal user data at 9 U.S. Internet companies has unleashed a torrent of justified anger and hand-wringing. But the worries do not go far enough. Almost everybody is still looking at this through a narrow domestic lens. Our values and goals may be more challenged than you think. The implications are not just about what happens to the privacy of Americans and to the future of American political due process. There are potentially vast negative global consequences. Giving the U.S. government special rights to data from U.S. companies sets a terrible precedent, and is hugely short-sighted. The Internet is intrinsically a global business and social landscape. Yet up until now American companies have overwhelmingly dominated it. They have done so with astonishing innovation and technical achievement. Apple, Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Skype, Yahoo, and YouTube — all companies said to be participating in PRISM — are the world's most important digital platforms for communications and information. The economic and political benefits both to the U.S. and to the world of this domination are obvious. Not only are they by far the world's most valuable set of businesses for investors. They have created extraordinary value for their users by fostering an openness and landscape for free expression and dialogue that is unprecedented. How much of this astonishing success are we willing to sacrifice on the altar of domestic security? The citizens of the world can look up anything on Google and can communicate anything to their friends on YouTube and Facebook, regardless of its political sensitivity. The result has included Arab Spring, the Iranian Green Revolution, the popular protests against President Putin in Russia, and recently the extraordinary outpouring of citizen protest against Turkey's Prime Minister Erdogan. The largest group of people likely to care about the NSA's intrusions are non-American customers of U.S. Internet companies. Facebook alone has more than one billion of them. Google completely dominates search in most of the world, with its market share across Europe significantly exceeding 90%. And its YouTube distributes citizen videos worldwide. It will be hard now to ever again assure users of these services that their behavior or opinions can be protected from the U.S. government. Some reports on the NSA surveillance suggest that the court orders given these companies can be as broad as forcing them to turn over all traffic to and from a specific country. As the author of The Facebook Effect [http://www.amazon.com/The-Facebook-Effect-Company-Connecting/dp/1439102120] I am especially well-acquainted with that company's strategy and achievements. More than two-thirds of Brazil's 90 million Internet users are regular users of Facebook. It is similarly among the most important platforms for Internet communication in Indonesia, Nigeria, South Africa, Turkey, and most other countries large and small. Google's Gmail, Microsoft's Hotmail, Skype, Yahoo and Apple's services are also hugely important around the world. Because Facebook gives users a broadcast tool to send messages to their friends, it is routinely the tool ordinary people use when they are dissatisfied or seek to make a political statement. This is true in almost every country on earth. It's quite possible that Obama has undermined the effectiveness and attractiveness for political speech and protest of what have been the most potent communications tools for activism in history. Political and commercial opponents of the U.S. in every country as well as governments themselves will likely alert citizens to the potential that U.S. companies could pass their info back to US authorities. This will seriously conflict with these companies' aim to maintain their platforms as neutral global environments. It could dramatically slow their global growth. While these services have not seemed very American, of course they are. In many countries Facebook is not perceived to be an American service at all, since it operates completely in the local language. Now being American becomes potentially a concrete commercial and political disadvantage. To be an American service is now to be a tool for U.S. surveillance. Do we really want to impair such powerful tools for spreading dialogue, political discourse, and U.S. values? Is it worthwhile to impair the extraordinary financial and commercial success of these great flagships for the American economy? Does Obama want Facebook et al just to be seen as tools of American power? That is certainly not the way the average user in Bolivia sees it. They see it as a tool of their own personal power, and they don't want governments interfering with that. The global influence and long-term commercial success of U.S. Internet companies may depend on how Obama handles this from now on. Unfortunately to undo the damage he has caused he may have to completely disavow the program, which seems highly unlikely. Don't believe there are not alternatives to the U.S. Net collossi. Companies worldwide are already relentlessly working on alternatives. The second largest search service worldwide is China's Baidu, with more than 8% of searches globally at the end of last year according to ComScore. Russia's Yandex is at close to 3%, more than Microsoft's own search product. In social networking, China's Tencent has had a stunning recent success with its WeChat product, which by some counts has over 450 million users worldwide, including many tens of millions outside China. Most major Chinese Internet companies have global ambitions. It's easy to see why leaders in Washington presume Chinese networking equipment company Huawei must be spying on us through its products. Apparently in their eyes it makes perfect sense to take advantage of any domestic asset to achieve geopolitical aims. Of course, they think, Huawei and the Chinese government would be doing that. We do. Obama and the NSA now seem determined to give Facebook, Google, and the other American Internet companies the same reputation internationally that Huawei has here. Huawei, incidentally, recently decided to forsake the giant U.S. market because of the condemnations of politicians, despite little evidence of actual espionage. This may foreshadow the experience of American companies elsewhere. Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg has never wavered in his ambition to make Facebook a tool for literally every citizen on the planet. Aside from China, where his service is barred by the government, he has until now been making steady progress. His arguments that governments there and elsewhere ought to allow Facebook just became a lot less persuasive. (For more from David Kirkpatrick, follow him at Techonomy.com and subscribe to the newsletter there.) http://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20130609225334-16549-did-obama-just-destroy-the-u-s-internet-industry?ref=email While I agree with the general notion, it's worth to note that the act for internet surveillance was passed under the Bush administration. Nevertheless, I expected a slightly more liberal approach to this by a Democratic presidency. Sadly, I was mistaken. Let the spy game continue...
Jordan Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 On the upside, every american has a submachine gun... and seem quite happy to use them. Give them another 50 years they will have all killed each other.Mature people are trying to have a conversation in this thread. Run along.
Father Ted Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 Worse than China, N Korea, Iran? Really? Yes really.
Zingari Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22836378 Anyone want to run a sweepstake on the how long it'll be before this chaps written off? His life will destroyed one way or another . "In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act"
whoareyaaa Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 If it helps them to stop my city being blown to pieces then I don't see what the problem is, it isn't like they will spy on every single one of us what would be the point in that. All this does is help them stop any major attacks on countries around the world, without this intelligence there would have been way more terrorist attacks for sure.
MooseBreath Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 If it helps them to stop my city being blown to pieces then I don't see what the problem is, it isn't like they will spy on every single one of us what would be the point in that. All this does is help them stop any major attacks on countries around the world, without this intelligence there would have been way more terrorist attacks for sure. Don't know if it was on here but someone made a great point re. the wars on Iraq etc. If there was any direct provable link between American actions and the prevention of a terrorist attack they would plaster it all over the news as it would justify everything they've done. The fact that this hasn't happened speaks volumes.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 His life will destroyed one way or another . "In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act" Maybe they can get that Alex Jones to give his opinion of this
Zingari Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 Don't know if it was on here but someone made a great point re. the wars on Iraq etc. If there was any direct provable link between American actions and the prevention of a terrorist attack they would plaster it all over the news as it would justify everything they've done. The fact that this hasn't happened speaks volumes. Blimey Moosey ,you’re gradually sounding like some sort of conspiracy theorist lately . You’ll be saying that the US purposely used the 911 attacks as a "New "Pearl Harbour" pretext for war on Iraq and Afghanistan next.
leicsmac Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 If it helps them to stop my city being blown to pieces then I don't see what the problem is, it isn't like they will spy on every single one of us what would be the point in that. All this does is help them stop any major attacks on countries around the world, without this intelligence there would have been way more terrorist attacks for sure. To collect information that could be used against you in the future, despite being innocuous now? To sell it to corporations? To give themselves a sense of control and power? To have a laugh looking at one random persons wank fodder? Who knows. But I value my privacy and I don't like even the potential of being arbitrarily spied upon with no notification just because I might be guilty of something. Our entire legal system is based on the principle that someone is innocent until proven guilty. How does the possibility of your electronic data being accessed by an authority without authorisation fit into that? I certainly don't know enough about these entities to trust them with anything, let alone personal data. If you've got cause to come after me, fine. Show me a warrant, show me probable cause, and look around. But until then, bugger off.
ozleicester Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 Like most people, I never wanted an Xbox One anyway. But now that I know I can perform the skin flute dance while staring some covert ops techy dead in the eyes, I'm beginning... So with this PRISM Scheme do I have to self-employed and how many distributors do I need to break even or make a profit? OBAMA PIMPS WHITE WOMEN AND BLACK WOMEN Mature people are trying to have a conversation in this thread. Run along. Oh im so embarrassed, pretty high level up there isnt it. and if you cant see the irony of a nation of people that will kill more of their own citizens in 10 months with their own guns..., than their "enemies" will kill in 10 years at war, i dont expect you to recognise the point i was making.
Zingari Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 I wonder if the info they glean could be used for this sort of stuff ? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22817084 nahh , it's all for our own protection
Carl the Llama Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 I wonder if the info they glean could be used for this sort of stuff ? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22817084 nahh , it's all for our own protection But she now says she is sorry if anyone was kept out of work as a result of the list. She's sorry for the exact purpose of a secret mechanism that she personally oversaw? Bullshit. I hope she goes bankrupt and unemployed and ends up living on the streets living off the scraps in bins outside restaurants.
Orkneyfox Posted 12 June 2013 Posted 12 June 2013 To collect information that could be used against you in the future, despite being innocuous now? To sell it to corporations? To give themselves a sense of control and power? To have a laugh looking at one random persons wank fodder? Who knows. But I value my privacy and I don't like even the potential of being arbitrarily spied upon with no notification just because I might be guilty of something. Our entire legal system is based on the principle that someone is innocent until proven guilty. How does the possibility of your electronic data being accessed by an authority without authorisation fit into that? I certainly don't know enough about these entities to trust them with anything, let alone personal data. If you've got cause to come after me, fine. Show me a warrant, show me probable cause, and look around. But until then, bugger off. Hear, totally bloody hear!
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