MC Prussian Posted 9 July 2013 Posted 9 July 2013 But he as had a win percentage worse than that, was it 3 in 17 and he is still here, god knows why ! l doubt very much that the reason that Southampton got rid was because they couldn't afford him, he wouldn't have been on much money as really he was a nobody in managerial circles. l would say that they looked at his ability, or lack of it and his record with clubs like Carlisle which really was guff, l know people don't believe this but the stats are there to read, if you really want see his actual record and not distort it to fit your point of view. So in your eyes, there's no room to improve for a manager as he gets older? Carlisle and Southampton were the beginnings of Pearson's career and he's certainly achieved much more over the years - in particular with us. He's still got years ahead of him and he can only get better - just like the current team he's coaching. But hey, go ahead ignore the fact that people can actually get better over time, while others (like you) remain in their isolationist state forever. You're talking about a "distorted view" - well, I look at you and I know instantly whom you're talking about. Fancy a mirror?
BNET Posted 9 July 2013 Posted 9 July 2013 So in your eyes, there's no room to improve for a manager as he gets older? Carlisle and Southampton were the beginnings of Pearson's career and he's certainly achieved much more over the years - in particular with us. He's still got years ahead of him and he can only get better - just like the current team he's coaching. But hey, go ahead ignore the fact that people can actually get better over time, while others (like you) remain in their isolationist state forever. You're talking about a "distorted view" - well, I look at you and I know instantly whom you're talking about. Fancy a mirror? But he hasn't got better, his record since the beginning of this year is a disgrace, its relegation form. l've seen so much lacking from him as a manager and plenty of others have also. l would be happy to be proved wrong as all l want is LCFC to be successful but can not see there being any chance of it. l've saw the same thing with Taylor, the writing as been on the wall for a long time. We only looked at Taylors record after what he did to us, but it was always there, as is Pearsons, but it gets ignored because some want to believe differently. He is no good and he never will be, he's not a very clever man, look at our away form, but he still played the same system no matter how many times it failed, Einsteins theory of stupidity as been mentioned once or twice.
MC Prussian Posted 9 July 2013 Posted 9 July 2013 But he hasn't got better, his record since the beginning of this year is a disgrace, its relegation form. l've seen so much lacking from him as a manager and plenty of others have also. l would be happy to be proved wrong as all l want is LCFC to be successful but can not see there being any chance of it. l've saw the same thing with Taylor, the writing as been on the wall for a long time. We only looked at Taylors record after what he did to us, but it was always there, as is Pearsons, but it gets ignored because some want to believe differently. He is no good and he never will be, he's not a very clever man, look at our away form, but he still played the same system no matter how many times it failed, Einsteins theory of stupidity as been mentioned once or twice. We're just about to start a new season in the Championship after narrowly missing out on reaching the playoff final and you're talking about relegation form already? Is there anything that gets you excited other than lambasting Pearson at every possible occasion? Pearson is not Taylor and the circumstances as well as the squad quality is/was a different one. Why do you need to go back in history, why do you need to go back so many years trying to make a point? Sounds desperate to me. How about looking forward to the future instead? Is that so hard? As for the away form: Maybe Pearson had little choice to use the same formation due to injured or ill players? There are so many others reasons why a(n) (away) form can drop - why is it always the manager that is your main target in that regard? How about players lacking form, the opposition being more motivated or simply better on the day, etc.? All conveniently left out of your repetitious argumentation...
Guest MattP Posted 9 July 2013 Posted 9 July 2013 Surely anyone who is actually comapring Pearson and Taylor has to be on a wind up? One has came into the club and always left it in a higher league position and better financial state than when he arrived. The other took over a midtable Premiership side and managed to take it down a division whilst spending 25million on it.
Soar Fox Posted 10 July 2013 Posted 10 July 2013 You happy if we carry on with a win percentage like that then, because i'm not, and thats all you are going to get from the idiot. If Southampton thought he was any good and he had done a good job they wouldn't have slung him out, like we should before we waste another season with his stupid tactics, team selections and substitutions. Didn't Southampton get relegated the following season after they 'slung' him out whilst the same man that kept them up won us league one?
Swiss_tony Posted 10 July 2013 Posted 10 July 2013 Just realised Nigel has the best winning percentage of any Leicester manager in history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Leicester_City_F.C._managers He's also the only manager to manage a leicester team in league one which skews the win percentage. if we'd stayed up he wouldn't have gotten half the number of wins that season.
Babylon Posted 10 July 2013 Posted 10 July 2013 His record at Southampton was 3 wins out of 14, he's a clownIncorrect, it was 13 games as he had nothing to do with the first game.He only lost three of those thirteen games. Which was a marked improvement on the previous 13 games where they had lost 6. Just to clarify, you expect him to take over a club in freefall and suddenly have them winning every game? His record was 1.23 ppg better than 11 other teams over his 13 games. The previous 13 games they had got 0.85 ppg... With only two in the league getting worse.
BNET Posted 10 July 2013 Posted 10 July 2013 We're just about to start a new season in the Championship after narrowly missing out on reaching the playoff final and you're talking about relegation form already? Is there anything that gets you excited other than lambasting Pearson at every possible occasion? Pearson is not Taylor and the circumstances as well as the squad quality is/was a different one. Why do you need to go back in history, why do you need to go back so many years trying to make a point? Sounds desperate to me. How about looking forward to the future instead? Is that so hard? As for the away form: Maybe Pearson had little choice to use the same formation due to injured or ill players? There are so many others reasons why a(n) (away) form can drop - why is it always the manager that is your main target in that regard? How about players lacking form, the opposition being more motivated or simply better on the day, etc.? All conveniently left out of your repetitious argumentation... It was relegation form, but lets ignore it then eh ! Pearson is a disaster, me and others can see it, you can't The point about Taylor was it was there to see what was about to happen, the same as it is now with Pearson, but then again you are ignoring our relegation form. Nothing will happen any good while Coco is picking the team, so l am not looking forward to more of his rubbish. How could he have possibly been forced to play the same formation, l think its you whos clutching at straws. Its the managers fault, he picks the team, set's the formation. makes the substitutions... if players are lacking form, why pick them ? Why don't you stop making excuses for his inabilities, face facts. We all want to look forward to a good season, it won't happen as past experiences with Coco should tell you this. Good luck with your miss placed faith.
BNET Posted 10 July 2013 Posted 10 July 2013 Incorrect, it was 13 games as he had nothing to do with the first game. He only lost three of those thirteen games. Which was a marked improvement on the previous 13 games where they had lost 6. Just to clarify, you expect him to take over a club in freefall and suddenly have them winning every game? His record was 1.23 ppg better than 11 other teams over his 13 games. The previous 13 games they had got 0.85 ppg... With only two in the league getting worse. Please tell me how he had nothing to do with the first game, when he was the manager ? and isn't that a rather desperate defence of the useless one ?
MC Prussian Posted 10 July 2013 Posted 10 July 2013 It was relegation form, but lets ignore it then eh ! Pearson is a disaster, me and others can see it, you can't The point about Taylor was it was there to see what was about to happen, the same as it is now with Pearson, but then again you are ignoring our relegation form. Nothing will happen any good while Coco is picking the team, so l am not looking forward to more of his rubbish. How could he have possibly been forced to play the same formation, l think its you whos clutching at straws. Its the managers fault, he picks the team, set's the formation. makes the substitutions... if players are lacking form, why pick them ? Why don't you stop making excuses for his inabilities, face facts. We all want to look forward to a good season, it won't happen as past experiences with Coco should tell you this. Good luck with your miss placed faith. Your dislike for the man is unbelievable. I'm by no means a big Pearson fan, I just think he's done a good, not great, but a good job so far and can only get better. He's not excempt from my criticism and I've stated mumerous times that the following season is a make-or-break-affair.Taylor profitted from previous successes and almost drove the club against the wall. I can't see the similarities to Pearson, but maybe you want to go more into detail since you brought it up first. I'm not making excuses for his inabilities, I see he's not perfect. But who is? Me? You? I'm merely focusing on Pearson's strengths. The only one clutching at straws is you. Because all you can offer as an argument is personal antipathy and one bad run under Pearson. I find that pathetic.
Fox42 Posted 10 July 2013 Posted 10 July 2013 This might've been mentioned on this thread before but I can't be bothered looking all the way through... I genuinely think we shouldn't rule out the drop this season. With us having a tiny squad as it is and not making any signings from the massacre of the three months we just had of last season plus the competition of other clubs (around 18 are considered within a chance, excluding us) snapping up very decent players, I could see us trying to scrape the barrel. Hoping my pessimistic views are incorrect but that's how I see things ATM, and I fully accept this FFP situation... But has any other club in this league not brought in a player yet other than us? Very worried.
Babylon Posted 10 July 2013 Posted 10 July 2013 Please tell me how he had nothing to do with the first game, when he was the manager ? and isn't that a rather desperate defence of the useless one ?Because he had only just been appointed that day or the day before, was sat in the stands and didn't pick the team.
Guest MattP Posted 10 July 2013 Posted 10 July 2013 Please tell me how he had nothing to do with the first game, when he was the manager ? and isn't that a rather desperate defence of the useless one ? The fact he didn't pick the team or enter the dressing room?
BNET Posted 10 July 2013 Posted 10 July 2013 The fact he didn't pick the team or enter the dressing room? Fair enough, but so who was in charge or does that result just go into a black hole, he was the manager and if this is correct then he chose not to pick the team and go into the dressing room, so he was in charge of the situation really ! so is 3 from 13 good then even though you try to negate it down from 3 in 14 ? Splitting hairs l would say, bit desperate eh ?
MC Prussian Posted 10 July 2013 Posted 10 July 2013 Fair enough, but so who was in charge or does that result just go into a black hole, he was the manager and if this is correct then he chose not to pick the team and go into the dressing room, so he was in charge of the situation really ! so is 3 from 13 good then even though you try to negate it down from 3 in 14 ? Splitting hairs l would say, bit desperate eh ? The only one who's coming across as desperate is the one guy who's clinging on to a five-year old statistic as his last resort.
BNET Posted 10 July 2013 Posted 10 July 2013 Your dislike for the man is unbelievable. I'm by no means a big Pearson fan, I just think he's done a good, not great, but a good job so far and can only get better. He's not excempt from my criticism and I've stated mumerous times that the following season is a make-or-break-affair. Taylor profitted from previous successes and almost drove the club against the wall. I can't see the similarities to Pearson, but maybe you want to go more into detail since you brought it up first. I'm not making excuses for his inabilities, I see he's not perfect. But who is? Me? You? I'm merely focusing on Pearson's strengths. The only one clutching at straws is you. Because all you can offer as an argument is personal antipathy and one bad run under Pearson. I find that pathetic. One bad run under Pearson, l can't be bothered to trawl through all his time with us but l can promise you he as had more than one bad run (the one you are referring to was a very long bad run by the way) we also have had some diabolical football in his time, which should not be forgotten. l'm only looking for the reasons that we are not where l think we should be as a club. lf you have a problem, you look for the reason for the problem then try and correct it, in my eyes, and plenty of others, this problem is the man wit the big white shoes.
Guest MattP Posted 10 July 2013 Posted 10 July 2013 Fair enough, but so who was in charge or does that result just go into a black hole, he was the manager and if this is correct then he chose not to pick the team and go into the dressing room, so he was in charge of the situation really ! so is 3 from 13 good then even though you try to negate it down from 3 in 14 ? Splitting hairs l would say, bit desperate eh ? Well not really. If you want to make it 3 from 14 then go for it. His point pc is still better and his still kept them up. I'm just saying I don't think its fair that he is responsible for a result where he hadn't seen the players train, picked the team or go into the dressing room.
Guest MattP Posted 10 July 2013 Posted 10 July 2013 He's also the only manager to manage a leicester team in league one which skews the win percentage. if we'd stayed up he wouldn't have gotten half the number of wins that season. Fair point. His win percentage in this division is still pretty damn good though.
BNET Posted 10 July 2013 Posted 10 July 2013 The only one who's coming across as desperate is the one guy who's clinging on to a five-year old statistic as his last resort. The only one who's coming across as desperate is the one guy who's clinging on to a five-year old statistic as his last resort. Your case gets weaker, clinging on ffs ! wake up smell the coffee MC.
MC Prussian Posted 10 July 2013 Posted 10 July 2013 One bad run under Pearson, l can't be bothered to trawl through all his time with us but l can promise you he as had more than one bad run (the one you are referring to was a very long bad run by the way) we also have had some diabolical football in his time, which should not be forgotten. l'm only looking for the reasons that we are not where l think we should be as a club. lf you have a problem, you look for the reason for the problem then try and correct it, in my eyes, and plenty of others, this problem is the man wit the big white shoes. Hey, I'm not debating some of the painful hoofball under Pearson at times and yes, we've had other bad runs (albeit not as long as the one earlier this year). Still, despite all of this, we've reached the playoffs twice and narrowly missed out on making the final a few weeks ago.
teblin Posted 10 July 2013 Posted 10 July 2013 He did only lose 4 games in a spell that kept ultimately kept Southampton up!Almost every manager has a few bad spells in their career, MON didn't win a game in 11 in a team that was in the top 3 when he took over us. He also had spell like that in the top flight too. I'm not saying NP is in the same league and MON, just to make that clear.
MC Prussian Posted 10 July 2013 Posted 10 July 2013 Your case gets weaker, clinging on ffs ! wake up smell the coffee MC. So weak that you need to quote me twice? Who's in need of a coffee here? At least I have a case!
enex Posted 10 July 2013 Posted 10 July 2013 I've found some more interesting odds: http://www.thesackrace.com/news/9th-july-2013/nigel-pearson-early-favourite-in-the-championship-sack-race
ozleicester Posted 10 July 2013 Posted 10 July 2013 I've found some more interesting odds: http://www.thesackrace.com/news/9th-july-2013/nigel-pearson-early-favourite-in-the-championship-sack-race Harry at 14/1 is not bad, can see that happening if a bad start
Guest MattP Posted 10 July 2013 Posted 10 July 2013 Harry at 14/1 is not bad, can see that happening if a bad start Was thinking exactly the same. Glad to see Nige as the fave, they never come in in markets like this.
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