Guest MattP Posted 3 July 2013 Posted 3 July 2013 Pretty amazing scenes on the news now. Miltary Coup has ousted the President, not sure how democratic that is but anything that weakens the Muslim Brotherhood politically can only be good news for the people.
Webbo Posted 3 July 2013 Posted 3 July 2013 The Muslim Brotherhood won the election fairly, they had a mandate to govern. If the army steps in after a poor year and a few (admittedly very large) protests then there will never be democracy in Egypt.
Guest MattP Posted 3 July 2013 Posted 3 July 2013 The Muslim Brotherhood won the election fairly, they had a mandate to govern. If the army steps in after a poor year and a few (admittedly very large) protests then there will never be democracy in Egypt. It's very peculiar isn't it. You won't get anywhere if you keep electing people through the ballot box and then getting the army to kick them out a year later. That said it's hard for me not to enjoy people overthrowing Islamist, mysoginist tyranny.
MooseBreath Posted 3 July 2013 Posted 3 July 2013 Like Roman Abramovich constantly sacking and hiring new managers because they haven't worked a miracle. It's the tyranny of the majority. It would happen here too if the guardian had their way.
purpleronnie Posted 3 July 2013 Posted 3 July 2013 Like Roman Abramovich constantly sacking and hiring new managers because they haven't worked a miracle. It's the tyranny of the majority. It would happen here too if the guardian had their way. I know someone with a green lazer pen...let's go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lavrentis Posted 3 July 2013 Posted 3 July 2013 I know someone with a green lazer pen...let's go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think it's more than that ronnie!
purpleronnie Posted 3 July 2013 Posted 3 July 2013 I think it's more than that ronnie! He's got some sparklers too.
I am Rod Hull Posted 3 July 2013 Posted 3 July 2013 Egyptians (like all Arabs) are corrupt always have been (apart from when we were there), always will be. Nepotism is their greatest trait. If the demonstrators had any sense they`d be waving the Union flag and shouting "bring back the British and give them back the Suez".
Trav Le Bleu Posted 3 July 2013 Posted 3 July 2013 The Muslim Brotherhood won the election fairly, they had a mandate to govern. If the army steps in after a poor year and a few (admittedly very large) protests then there will never be democracy in Egypt. Makes you wonder if they know what they really want. Essentially it is one step from anarchy.
leicsmac Posted 3 July 2013 Posted 3 July 2013 Egyptians (like all Arabs) are corrupt always have been (apart from when we were there), always will be. Nepotism is their greatest trait. If the demonstrators had any sense they`d be waving the Union flag and shouting "bring back the British and give them back the Suez". Practically every society around the world is corrupt. Western societies are just better at hiding it and justifying it. I'm not going to get into a debate regarding the British Empire, but suffice it to say I think this is in no way our problem and a colonial Government wouldn't solve anything either.
MC Prussian Posted 3 July 2013 Posted 3 July 2013 The Muslim Brotherhood won the election fairly, they had a mandate to govern. If the army steps in after a poor year and a few (admittedly very large) protests then there will never be democracy in Egypt. No, they didn't. They won an election that favoured the Muslim Brotherhood from the start by not allowing previous parties to contest and not leaving the Left enough time to form coalitions. You could thus say that the most recent election was rigged. Also, Mursi and his cabinet fondled with the Egyptian constitution. I usually don't support military coups, but this one had to be done. He would've never stepped down otherwise. The (Northern) Arab world is in a crisis, because they're now (finally) facing the challenge of merging Islam with democracy. People in Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Syria are no longer willing to support a minority "tyranny" (the level of influence, the types and repercussions vary from country to country - some are more "democratic" than others, like Morocco for instance), they want peace and fair elections, they want to be represented, not just simply governed. It's going to be an intriguing process to watch from the sidelines and I do hope they can find a satisfying solution in the near future.
I am Rod Hull Posted 3 July 2013 Posted 3 July 2013 Practically every society around the world is corrupt. Western societies are just better at hiding it and justifying it. I'm not going to get into a debate regarding the British Empire, but suffice it to say I think this is in no way our problem and a colonial Government wouldn't solve anything either.
leicsmac Posted 3 July 2013 Posted 3 July 2013 I'm should have known. Whoops. Being tired is my excuse.
Guest MattP Posted 4 July 2013 Posted 4 July 2013 Quote of the day from the reporter on Sky. "You've got so much diversity in the crowd here celebrating, you have intellectuals, professionals, leftists, liberals and socialists"
ozleicester Posted 4 July 2013 Posted 4 July 2013 A very sad situation, we were there in 2011 just after the revolution, beautiful place with so many wonderful people who had such high hopes for the future. Sadly when you have a (basically) 50/50 split in society... you are never going to have stability unless you have a dictator and oppressive government. No answers... just hope that not too many die or suffer.
ozleicester Posted 4 July 2013 Posted 4 July 2013 Going there on Friday sounds interesting Hope you have a ball, it was the most interesting exciting and amazing country, on the good side, with all the troubles there wont be too many people at the sites and youll have easy acess like we did. Not sure if youve been before or where you are going, but a couple of tips if your interested.. (or just ignore them) La Shukran = No Thank you, we found that the hawkers are VERY insistent, but la shukran seemed much more effective than no thank you. Luxor is amazing, if you get the opportunity highly recommended and mostly safe from the troubles. Dashur and the Red Pyramid are amazing and less popular. Good luck, hope you have a great time
Finnegan Posted 4 July 2013 Posted 4 July 2013 It's kind of ironic that the Conservative West are so vocally against the Conservative Arabs, if you take out the acts of terror and balance up the gender roles a little (though, just a little, right Moosey?) I wonder how many overlapping ideologies you'd find!
Guest MattP Posted 4 July 2013 Posted 4 July 2013 It's kind of ironic that the Conservative West are so vocally against the Conservative Arabs, if you take out the acts of terror and balance up the gender roles a little (though, just a little, right Moosey?) I wonder how many overlapping ideologies you'd find! I don't think the Conservative West is comparable to it anymore, we have a 'Conservative party' here that has taken the low paid out the tax system and legalised Gay Marriage. You could it's ironic how when so many lefties hate the Conservative West they seem to tolerate anything and everything from Islamic groups that are far further to the right in terms of ideology.
cambridgefox Posted 4 July 2013 Posted 4 July 2013 A very sad situation, we were there in 2011 just after the revolution, beautiful place with so many wonderful people who had such high hopes for the future. Sadly when you have a (basically) 50/50 split in society... you are never going to have stability unless you have a dictator and oppressive government. No answers... just hope that not too many die or suffer. Basically this.These countries are so used to a dictatorship that I believe they do not know how to live/ act when given freedom of choice.
MooseBreath Posted 4 July 2013 Posted 4 July 2013 It's kind of ironic that the Conservative West are so vocally against the Conservative Arabs, if you take out the acts of terror and balance up the gender roles a little (though, just a little, right Moosey?) I wonder how many overlapping ideologies you'd find! Fair play, one of the most tenuous links to an allegation of sexism I've ever seen on here. Just because you're a limp wristed white knight doesn't mean everyone else is sexist.
leicsmac Posted 4 July 2013 Posted 4 July 2013 It's kind of ironic that the Conservative West are so vocally against the Conservative Arabs, if you take out the acts of terror and balance up the gender roles a little (though, just a little, right Moosey?) I wonder how many overlapping ideologies you'd find! Sharks recognising another shark.
Jon the Hat Posted 4 July 2013 Posted 4 July 2013 I don't think the Conservative West is comparable to it anymore, we have a 'Conservative party' here that has taken the low paid out the tax system and legalised Gay Marriage. You could it's ironic how when so many lefties hate the Conservative West they seem to tolerate anything and everything from Islamic groups that are far further to the right in terms of ideology. I'm with you there. I passionately disagree with the "its their culture" shit. If it there culture to limit womens rights and imprison homosexuals then they can **** right off.
Jon the Hat Posted 4 July 2013 Posted 4 July 2013 Basically this.These countries are so used to a dictatorship that I believe they do not know how to live/ act when given freedom of choice. I think that is pretty patronising. They voted in a government who then tried to take away their rights, they can see an Islamic dictatorship coming and that is not what they wanted so they took to the streets. It worked last time, and it worked this time. Lets hope they can come up with a coalition which can deliver some of the freedoms people are risking their lives for.
cambridgefox Posted 4 July 2013 Posted 4 July 2013 I think that is pretty patronising. They voted in a government who then tried to take away their rights, they can see an Islamic dictatorship coming and that is not what they wanted so they took to the streets. It worked last time, and it worked this time. Lets hope they can come up with a coalition which can deliver some of the freedoms people are risking their lives for.Time will tell if this happens,not too sure if patronising was the right word but having had the freedom to vote,there are a lot of disgruntled people who Didnt vote for this regime,whereas before the whole country had no choice .Not saying they should keep the regime .This don't know how to act also rings true with the goverment .
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