Will Kasper sign a new Contract?

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

I'd sell Kasper and Wes for £5 million and then pay off Pearson, Gallagher, Danns and a few others. A reset that's cost us nothing but could gain everything.

I totally agree. A fee of £5,000,000 for the two is just about right. No promotion this coming season, and we will be well  out of pocket, as they won't be staying. Pearson costs us £1,000,000 per year. Now is the times to fill our coffers as best we can.

[Greatness_Since_1884]

Pearsons definitely gambled this window in the sense that he's thought we should keep our best players and hope they're good enough to get us up and sign new deals with the risk that if they're not, they walk away for nothing. We still might be a better team this season in the sense that our young players now are better than 12 months ago and players like Danns, St Ledger, Whitbread can step up too.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned which I feel is significant is that Pearson too is in his last year of his contract. From his point of view, why sell your best players in order to have to re-build which will take time and possibly cost you promotion and your job. He knows he probably won't get a new deal if we don't go up and he believes he has a better chance to do it with a settled side than building a new one.

Pearsons made a selfish decision here and I sure hope it pays off for everyone.

[Manwell Pablo]

Not particularly, but they are backup. We are in the championship, we aren't going to have bench players as good as our starters. You'd have to have bad injuries or suspensions for that to happen, if if does then you always have the option of short term loans.

 

 

And it's unlikely they will be playing week in week out.

 

 

We weren't creating many chances, that was more of a reason than them being off form. Most teams in this league have one main striker who can score a hatful. We have two who are capable of that, again, we aren't going to have backup as good as our starters. Not many teams have!

 

 

And you know he actually wanted to go there?

 

 

You do realise that we have to pay people wages don't you, that they don't play for free?

 

I don't think it's all down to money to be honest. There is an air around Pearson that suggests to me he thinks he's got the tools do do the job.

 

We'll soon see if he's right.

[kingfox]

Not particularly, but they are backup. We are in the championship, we aren't going to have bench players as good as our starters. You'd have to have bad injuries or suspensions for that to happen, if if does then you always have the option of short term loans.

 

 

And it's unlikely they will be playing week in week out.

 

 

We weren't creating many chances, that was more of a reason than them being off form. Most teams in this league have one main striker who can score a hatful. We have two who are capable of that, again, we aren't going to have backup as good as our starters. Not many teams have!

 

 

And you know he actually wanted to go there?

 

 

You do realise that we have to pay people wages don't you, that they don't play for free?

 

How the hell will they be back up, if we don't get anybody in? Whitbread and Moore will be guaranteed to start more often, especially if we go 3-5-2.

 

We have two who are very capable yes, but like I said, if they dip in form again, where's the goals going to come from, I can't see Schlupp, Waghorn and Vardy scoring like 1 in 2, 1 in 3.

 

Did I mention Kasper to Hull, no I didn't. Other teams could of well come in, if we said we were willing to sell for a certain amount.

 

I didn't say they play for free either, if we sold off Gallagher and Danns that would help even more. If we keep those two, that would be a pissing shambles.

 

 

 

Our defence ( COULD ) ship a lot of goals, with those two playing week in week out. OR THEY COULD BE SOLID WHO KNOWS? whitbread got promoted with Norwich didn't he? Moore looked solid when called upon.

 

 

You could say could do this could do that, who knows this, who knows that for a lot of things people say on here. 

 

Whitbread did get promoted with Norwich, but he didn't impress here last season did he, Moore did look solid some games, some games he didn't, but do you think someone of his calibre is capable of playing regularly. I couldn't see him being a consistent part of the side, same applies to Whitbread. 

[Babylon]

I don't think it's all down to money to be honest. There is an air around Pearson that suggests to me he thinks he's got the tools do do the job.

 

We'll soon see if he's right.

 

Well he just stated we are light at the back, if he had the money to improve he'd use it like any manager.

[Babylon]

How the hell will they be back up, if we don't get anybody in? Whitbread and Moore will be guaranteed to start more often, especially if we go 3-5-2.

 

Errr because we a) have Morgan and SSL probably in front of both of them b) because we can switch to a four if needed.

 

You said those to playing, which sounded like playing at the same time. That won't happen unless we are unlucky.

 

 

We have two who are very capable yes, but like I said, if they dip in form again, where's the goals going to come from, I can't see Schlupp, Waghorn and Vardy scoring like 1 in 2, 1 in 3.

So we have the same problem most teams have then, if you lose your two best strikers you struggle.

 

 

Did I mention Kasper to Hull, no I didn't. Other teams could of well come in, if we said we were willing to sell for a certain amount.

You are hilarious, this isn't football manager.

 

 

I didn't say they play for free either, if we sold off Gallagher and Danns that would help even more. If we keep those two, that would be a pissing shambles.

So if you don't expect them to play for free how can we afford them? You know we are short on cash, so you points make no sense.

 

Again, you need buyers to sell players.

 

 

 

 

[Ric Flair]

Yes form got worse, but I don't believe you were really thinking of that when you wrote it. Anyway, form picked up a bit towards the end.

 

I think St Ledger is average, similarly Whitbread... Keane may have had lots of potential but he also was just average really, we conceded at around the same rate for most of the season if not slightly more with him. Player wise we are about where we were last year, in fact slightly stronger is we are thinking of keeping Danns.

 

Others may have strengthened, but whether we are weaker this year remains to be seen. It won't be from us going backwards though in what we have available, just that others have improved.

 

I think we're in for a horribly frustrating season and when it happens it'll be easy to point out why it has happened. Let's forget the financial problems we are currently facing and look at the alarming slump last season. It was disgusting form that would have led to the manager being sacked had we not snuck in to the play-offs with the last kick of the game. The Thai's it appeared had been sounding out other managers but for whatever reason they didn't pull the plug. Fast forward a few months and the same question mark is there, why did we go from being top 2 to nearly 20 points behind the top 2 in less than half a season? If the manager is under scrutiny then, surely he's under scrutiny now? Nothing has changed. A last gasp win at Forest and a hard fought win vs Watford at home, followed by a lacklustre away performance and we're back to square one.

 

If it wasn't the manager that was under scrutiny, perhaps it was the players? Well we've not strengthened the squad and we've lost a central defender who for all his inexperience was far more reliable than Whitbread and St Ledger if you consider their injury records and their general performances. I'm a St Ledger fan but I can no longer put faith in him as first choice as he's often injured and always out on the piss. Therefore if we start the season with the squad we have then there needs to be a transformation in mind set, belief, attitude, confidence and ability from the manager and coaching staff and the players. It's not out of the realms of possibility but I can't remember too many examples within football in recent years where a team has performed as badly as we did in the last few months and kept exactly the same set up at managerial level and exactly the same group of players and gone on to be successful the following season.

 

We're in a pickle. We've not the money to strengthen without fear of breach of FFP and we have the negativity of last season. It doesn't bode well and will take a herculian effort from everyone at the club for this to work without changes. That is why if Top and his old boy can't afford to make wholesale changes and they are willing to stick with Pearson then some serious decisions should have been made to free up finances to improve, i.e. cashing in on our sellable assets in Schmeichel.

 

The way I see it, the Thai's aren't convinced by Nigel but are also cautious that getting rid will cost them and then the new manager will require extra money to mould his own squad and we could get ourselves in to more mess. So we're lumbered.

 

Hence I believe we're in a weakened position.

[kingfox]

Errr because we a) have Morgan and SSL probably in front of both of them b) because we can switch to a four if needed.

 

You said those to playing, which sounded like playing at the same time. That won't happen unless we are unlucky.

 

 

So we have the same problem most teams have then, if you lose your two best strikers you struggle.

 

 

You are hilarious, this isn't football manager.

 

 

So if you don't expect them to play for free how can we afford them? You know we are short on cash, so you points make no sense.

 

Again, you need buyers to sell players.

 

 

 

 

3-5-2 Moore or Whitbread will definitely start. 4-4-2 probably not.

 

A lot of teams have better back up than us, that's where our problem lies, teams have better back up than us, it was the same last season, will be the same this season.

 

Don't play football manager 

 

I don't want to buy any players for a fee, we don't know anything about wages, people say they do, but they don't, they are just imagining the situation, plucking up shit numbers. Our situation could be bad, or it could be not so good but stable. Gallagher and Danns need to go, offer them for free if we have to, or release Gallagher like we did with Wellens, there's no point him being here, he is crap. 

[Happy Fox]

I think we're in for a horribly frustrating season and when it happens it'll be easy to point out why it has happened. Let's forget the financial problems we are currently facing and look at the alarming slump last season. It was disgusting form that would have led to the manager being sacked had we not snuck in to the play-offs with the last kick of the game. The Thai's it appeared had been sounding out other managers but for whatever reason they didn't pull the plug. Fast forward a few months and the same question mark is there, why did we go from being top 2 to nearly 20 points behind the top 2 in less than half a season? If the manager is under scrutiny then, surely he's under scrutiny now? Nothing has changed. A last gasp win at Forest and a hard fought win vs Watford at home, followed by a lacklustre away performance and we're back to square one.

 

If it wasn't the manager that was under scrutiny, perhaps it was the players? Well we've not strengthened the squad and we've lost a central defender who for all his inexperience was far more reliable than Whitbread and St Ledger if you consider their injury records and their general performances. I'm a St Ledger fan but I can no longer put faith in him as first choice as he's often injured and always out on the piss. Therefore if we start the season with the squad we have then there needs to be a transformation in mind set, belief, attitude, confidence and ability from the manager and coaching staff and the players. It's not out of the realms of possibility but I can't remember too many examples within football in recent years where a team has performed as badly as we did in the last few months and kept exactly the same set up at managerial level and exactly the same group of players and gone on to be successful the following season.

 

We're in a pickle. We've not the money to strengthen without fear of breach of FFP and we have the negativity of last season. It doesn't bode well and will take a herculian effort from everyone at the club for this to work without changes. That is why if Top and his old boy can't afford to make wholesale changes and they are willing to stick with Pearson then some serious decisions should have been made to free up finances to improve, i.e. cashing in on our sellable assets in Schmeichel.

 

The way I see it, the Thai's aren't convinced by Nigel but are also cautious that getting rid will cost them and then the new manager will require extra money to mould his own squad and we could get ourselves in to more mess. So we're lumbered.

 

Hence I believe we're in a weakened position.

 

This season really is make or break lets hope for our sake we somehow get promotion.

 

Otherwise I can see us remaining in this division for a very long time and using the young players which is going to be a more long term outlook which isn't bad I guess but the expectations for promotion wouldn't be there any more ala Derby County.

[Babylon]

I think we're in for a horribly frustrating season and when it happens it'll be easy to point out why it has happened. Let's forget the financial problems we are currently facing and look at the alarming slump last season. It was disgusting form that would have led to the manager being sacked had we not snuck in to the play-offs with the last kick of the game. The Thai's it appeared had been sounding out other managers but for whatever reason they didn't pull the plug. Fast forward a few months and the same question mark is there, why did we go from being top 2 to nearly 20 points behind the top 2 in less than half a season? If the manager is under scrutiny then, surely he's under scrutiny now? Nothing has changed. A last gasp win at Forest and a hard fought win vs Watford at home, followed by a lacklustre away performance and we're back to square one.

 

If it wasn't the manager that was under scrutiny, perhaps it was the players? Well we've not strengthened the squad and we've lost a central defender who for all his inexperience was far more reliable than Whitbread and St Ledger if you consider their injury records and their general performances. I'm a St Ledger fan but I can no longer put faith in him as first choice as he's often injured and always out on the piss. Therefore if we start the season with the squad we have then there needs to be a transformation in mind set, belief, attitude, confidence and ability from the manager and coaching staff and the players. It's not out of the realms of possibility but I can't remember too many examples within football in recent years where a team has performed as badly as we did in the last few months and kept exactly the same set up at managerial level and exactly the same group of players and gone on to be successful the following season.

 

We're in a pickle. We've not the money to strengthen without fear of breach of FFP and we have the negativity of last season. It doesn't bode well and will take a herculian effort from everyone at the club for this to work without changes. That is why if Top and his old boy can't afford to make wholesale changes and they are willing to stick with Pearson then some serious decisions should have been made to free up finances to improve, i.e. cashing in on our sellable assets in Schmeichel.

 

The way I see it, the Thai's aren't convinced by Nigel but are also cautious that getting rid will cost them and then the new manager will require extra money to mould his own squad and we could get ourselves in to more mess. So we're lumbered.

 

Hence I believe we're in a weakened position.

Fair enough, I said at the time we should have sold Kasper if the offer was half decent (lets be honest we don't know the details or even if he would have wanted to go) So I understand your point completely.

 

I said earlier in the year this season will leave us in limbo as we're tying to control finances why staying competitive. It's unfortunate the timing of their contracts ending as really next season we should be under more control and be rid of a few of the shitter players freeing up money to strengthen. Sadly that money will probably go towards replacing three of our better players now rather than the weaker ones.

[Babylon]

A lot of teams have better back up than us, that's where our problem lies, teams have better back up than us, it was the same last season, will be the same this season.

A lot of teams don't have two starting strikers who scored over 16 goals, quite a lot don't even have one of them.

Look at the strikers on this list... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_1/top_scorers/default.stm

 

No Murray, no Vydra, Burnley aren't going to be up there so forget Austin, No Bechio, no Blake, No Gayle. The only other teams with two strikers in the list are Watford and Charlton.

 

 

 

I don't want to buy any players for a fee, we don't know anything about wages, people say they do, but they don't, they are just imagining the situation, plucking up shit numbers. Our situation could be bad, or it could be not so good but stable. Gallagher and Danns need to go, offer them for free if we have to, or release Gallagher like we did with Wellens, there's no point him being here, he is crap. 

Players play for wages, if you want to sign someone to you need to pay them. If we have no money you can't buy someone. I don't know how else to explain this!!

 

Danns are Gally probably are available on frees, but people won't touch them because of the wages. And for the same reason there is no point in paying them off... you might save 10% of their wages over the season, but that's probably not going to get in anyone better, so what's the point.

[Ric Flair]

Fair enough, I said at the time we should have sold Kasper if the offer was half decent (lets be honest we don't know the details or even if he would have wanted to go) So I understand your point completely.

 

I said earlier in the year this season will leave us in limbo as we're tying to control finances why staying competitive. It's unfortunate the timing of their contracts ending as really next season we should be under more control and be rid of a few of the shitter players freeing up money to strengthen. Sadly that money will probably go towards replacing three of our better players now rather than the weaker ones.

 

Agreed. I actually don't mind if we aren't in the top 6 this season if we have some form of a plan but I don't think we do. I've been harsh on Pearson in recent months because of the manner of our slump and with the arrogance that he sometimes displays. I feel a bit for him though because he's transformed this club from the Sven era and now his hands are tied but because of the negativity surrounding our poor finish to the season and the fact i'm not convinced the squad is there yet in terms of quality I predict a torrid time for him.

 

I'm a little bemused at the sheer lack of integration with some of our academy players in to the first team set up too. I might be over-reacting but if we are tightening the purse strings then it's time to place more faith in our youngsters but the likes of Cain and Panayiouto haven't been given a sniff in the first team friendlies. If he's not prepared to give them experience in friendlies with the first team players then I can't see how he'll be looking to develop them when it really matters next month. It's a shame as there is talent there, especially in Cain who the coaching staff have been raving about.

[Smudge]

Kasper could have been playing for Steve Bruce, a friend of the family, in the Premiership. Leicester have denied him that opportunity.

 

If I was Kasper i wouldn't be making any rash decisions right now

[J.Lisemore]

Its almost the same situation Leeds were in with Beckford, hopefully it'll have the same outcome! Promotion-wise

[Babylon]

Kasper could have been playing for Steve Bruce, a friend of the family, in the Premiership. Leicester have denied him that opportunity.

 

If I was Kasper i wouldn't be making any rash decisions right now

He could also have been playing for Hull.. which is a very serious flip side to that coin

[Mark]

It's a shame as there is talent there, especially in Cain who the coaching staff have been raving about.

 

Pearson ain't having it clearly. Not took to the training camp, unused sub against Port Vale and then not even named on the bench last night whilst other academy players were. You'd have thought he'd have had a look at him at least? Saying that though there's been a lack of friendlies this pre season, I'd be amazed if our players are ready for Monaco after 90 minutes match practice.

[kingfox]

A lot of teams don't have two starting strikers who scored over 16 goals, quite a lot don't even have one of them.

Look at the strikers on this list... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_1/top_scorers/default.stm

 

No Murray, no Vydra, Burnley aren't going to be up there so forget Austin, No Bechio, no Blake, No Gayle. The only other teams with two strikers in the list are Watford and Charlton.

 

 

 

Players play for wages, if you want to sign someone to you need to pay them. If we have no money you can't buy someone. I don't know how else to explain this!!

 

Danns are Gally probably are available on frees, but people won't touch them because of the wages. And for the same reason there is no point in paying them off... you might save 10% of their wages over the season, but that's probably not going to get in anyone better, so what's the point.

 

That was last season though, I would take Wood & Nugent over most striking partnerships in this league, but it's our back up in the strikers department that is much weaker than others in this division. Birmingham, Blackburn, Bolton, Bournemouth, Derby, Leeds, Millwall, Forest, QPR, Reading, Watford, Wigan all for me, have better strikers to come off the bench than us. You might say, in Bournemouth's case you would take Grabban, Thomas, McQuoid over Vardy and Waghorn, straight up I bloody well would. 

 

You don't need to pay a fee though if we are signing free agents or loans. If we didn't have no money, how did we sign Bakayogo? More than likely it came from Beckford. The thought of Danns and Gallagher still being here, is depressing. I don't know how to work these percentages and shit out, but I know currently with this team, mid table here we come, and that may sound depressing, but play-offs with the teams which have come down, plus all the teams which have strengthened over the summer, we don't stand a chance, especially if the team performs as inconsistent as they did last season.

[Ric Flair]

Pearson ain't having it clearly. Not took to the training camp, unused sub against Port Vale and then not even named on the bench last night whilst other academy players were. You'd have thought he'd have had a look at him at least? Saying that though there's been a lack of friendlies this pre season, I'd be amazed if our players are ready for Monaco after 90 minutes match practice.

 

I know what you're saying mate, it's worrying. Hopper will be in the plans though by all accounts and no doubt be played out of position.

 

In the financial state we are in, i'd be spending the next few seasons blooding these youngsters. I suspect this will be the mantra from the owners now we've reached cat one but it might take a new manager for it to come to fruition whose preference has always been other clubs youngsters than our own. Valid arguments that perhaps they aren't good enough but I simply refuse to believe that an academy who wins title after title hasn't got more than the odd player capable of developing in to a championship level player.

[Babylon]

You'd have thought he'd have had a look at him at least?

 

What like in training and youth team games where he saw him all last year?

[Babylon]

Birmingham, Blackburn, Bolton, Bournemouth, Derby, Leeds, Millwall, Forest, QPR, Reading, Watford, Wigan all for me, have better strikers to come off the bench than us. You might say, in Bournemouth's case you would take Grabban, Thomas, McQuoid over Vardy and Waghorn, straight up I bloody well would. 

 

 

You don't need to pay a fee though if we are signing free agents or loans. If we didn't have no money, how did we sign Bakayogo? More than likely it came from Beckford.

Really, I never realised... I'm not on about fees I'm on about wages. No money = no money for wages.

 

You answered your own question, the money came from Beckford. We've said we need to sell to buy.

[Babylon]

Valid arguments that perhaps they aren't good enough but I simply refuse to believe that an academy who wins title after title hasn't got more than the odd player capable of developing in to a championship level player.

Why refuse to believe it? They have not gone elsewhere and proved us wrong.

 

We hear it year after year whether Pearson is here or not for decades. x player is great, x player is the next big thing, x player is better than so and so. They all drinft off to league one or two in the end though.

[Ric Flair]

What like in training and youth team games where he saw him all last year?

 

This is a lad who we paid £100,000 for when he was 15/16 and who Beaglehole and Rudkin have raved about, suggesting to Nigel he's ready. Now I know it ultimately comes down to his decision but for all Pearson's desire to have a young squad of players he's often far more interested in other clubs academy players than his own. We've won titles at academy level, we're now cat one and we're in the shit financially. He needs to make it a priority to blood players from our academy. I know i'm over-reacting but I still don't forgive him for his handling of Gradel, who was a little scrote but we ballsed up there. Nigel ballsed up and we paid the price. I don't want this happening again at a time where we cannot strengthen and where rules are in place with the FFP that encourage investment in academy players.

[Greatness_Since_1884]

I know what you're saying mate, it's worrying. Hopper will be in the plans though by all accounts and no doubt be played out of position.

 

In the financial state we are in, i'd be spending the next few seasons blooding these youngsters. I suspect this will be the mantra from the owners now we've reached cat one but it might take a new manager for it to come to fruition whose preference has always been other clubs youngsters than our own. Valid arguments that perhaps they aren't good enough but I simply refuse to believe that an academy who wins title after title hasn't got more than the odd player capable of developing in to a championship level player.

I think this comes back to the point that this is NP's last year of his deal so will he risk these youngsters? Doubt it. Same reason he doesn't want to sell our best players and start over.

[kingfox]

 

 

Really, I never realised... I'm not on about fees I'm on about wages. No money = no money for wages.

 

You answered your own question, the money came from Beckford. We've said we need to sell to buy.

 

What you laughing at. Those Bournemouth trio, are better than Waghorn and Vardy. 

 

We might have some left from Beckford, what about Wellens. Yes we need to sell to buy, all you can do is keep your fingers crossed and hope we can move on Gallagher and Danns. Just thinking about them two still being here, makes me depressed, makes me cringe. 

 

   

[Ric Flair]

Why refuse to believe it? They have not gone elsewhere and proved us wrong.

 

We hear it year after year whether Pearson is here or not for decades. x player is great, x player is the next big thing, x player is better than so and so. They all drinft off to league one or two in the end though.

 

There have been 2 or 3 that have been released in recent years and are now playing at this level. Hardly warrants full scale outrage but it irks a little and especially given our current situation. I've little faith in Nigel changing his approach.