Guest MattP Posted 27 November 2013 Posted 27 November 2013 Don't like India mate, I would never wear the kit, must have been horrible for you!! You got the round face for a good starch, tharkan turban!! Most of my Sikh mates hold the same views on India, some even refer to it as 'Hinduistan' and actively support against them. Imagine it goes back to all the Operation Blue Star stuff etc....
Dr The Singh Posted 27 November 2013 Posted 27 November 2013 Most of my Sikh mates hold the same views on India, some even refer to it as 'Hinduistan' and actively support against them. Imagine it goes back to all the Operation Blue Star stuff etc.... Yeah it's the holocaust for the Sikhs......touchy subject!! Anyway, good to se conservative to time the immigration revelations not far from an election.....well done cameron!!!
ozleicester Posted 28 November 2013 Posted 28 November 2013 Its the 21st century, you cant build big thick castle walls and keep people out, you cant amass your troops at the border and keep people out, you cant even invoke legal/government decisions to keep people out. Its time to realise, the doors are open, the borders cannot be "protected" and the earth is whole not thousands of individual bits. When the climate shit actually takes effect, its not going to matter a jot if you once were the most powerful or greatest defenders... hundreds of thousand...millions even will be climbing aboard planes, trains, boats, bikes and anything that will carry them, looking for safety. Time to work out how we can all live together, instead of trying to keep us apart.
leicsmac Posted 28 November 2013 Posted 28 November 2013 Its the 21st century, you cant build big thick castle walls and keep people out, you cant amass your troops at the border and keep people out, you cant even invoke legal/government decisions to keep people out. Its time to realise, the doors are open, the borders cannot be "protected" and the earth is whole not thousands of individual bits. When the climate shit actually takes effect, its not going to matter a jot if you once were the most powerful or greatest defenders... hundreds of thousand...millions even will be climbing aboard planes, trains, boats, bikes and anything that will carry them, looking for safety. Time to work out how we can all live together, instead of trying to keep us apart. Or for the climate sceptics on here, energy crisis/worldwide natural disaster/crisis of your choice. Sooner or later there IS going to be a problem that needs all of humanity to act as one in an urgent fashion or the result will be civilisation won't survive, even if humans themselves do. Will we? Guess we'll find out - I'm trying to not be overly cynical with the thought that we won't act as one race like that until its way too late - nations will try to 'pull up the drawbridges' and look out for themselves only to realise too late this is a crisis too big to manage on their own. Hopefully the optimist in me is right and we will actually succeed in acting as one species when the time comes.
The People's Hero Posted 28 November 2013 Posted 28 November 2013 We've got enough of our own scroungers without inviting a load more in.
Zingari Posted 28 November 2013 Posted 28 November 2013 The tide of opinion regarding the benefits of mass immigration seems to have shifted quite significantly if FT is any sort of barometer .
ADK Posted 28 November 2013 Posted 28 November 2013 The tide of opinion regarding the benefits of mass immigration seems to have shifted quite significantly if FT is any sort of barometer . In which direction Zingari?
Zingari Posted 28 November 2013 Posted 28 November 2013 In which direction Zingari? i'd say we're becoming less tolerant of immigration .and the mood is hardening. I'm only talking about the attitude on this forum though , i don't know how this reflects in the wider community. A few years ago there would have been more accusations of racism flying about. it's just my opinion though , i haven't really got any evidence.
bovril Posted 28 November 2013 Posted 28 November 2013 I think it's clear people don't want it on such a large scale. People like what they're used to. And it's disastrous for smaller countries like Bulgaria as, to use a footballing cliche, "we can't compete on wages".But I wouldn't say that the hardening of attitudes is completely based in reality. Media and government have realised that immigration is emotive and they're going to run with it as far as they can, to hell with what's good for us let's just appeal to mass hysteria. Some of the panic surrounding Bulgarians and Romanians is ludicrous, the idea that from next year we're going to be flooded with thousands of baby-stealing Roma. And the 'race card' is played a lot less than the 'PC gone mad' card. Some of the rhetoric surrounding the issue is extremely prejudiced. But try and point that out and you become a pc-loving lefty.
MooseBreath Posted 28 November 2013 Posted 28 November 2013 A few years ago there would have been more accusations of racism flying about.Ain't that the truth. I think it's great that society is finally moving towards post-racism. We're nowhere near there yet of course but being able to talk frankly about the disadvantages of immigration without being labled a racist is a welcome step forward.
Finnegan Posted 28 November 2013 Posted 28 November 2013 Ain't that the truth. I think it's great that society is finally moving towards post-racism. We're nowhere near there yet of course but being able to talk frankly about the disadvantages of immigration without being labled a racist is a welcome step forward. Er, pretty sure that it's always been the same. If you don't want to be accused of racism whilst discussing immigration then don't be racist whilst discussing immigration. Got a practical problem? Discuss it. Think black people are inherently predisposed to criminality for some sort of ethnic or biological reason? Probably keep that to yourself. There are plenty of social conservatives floating around that aren't accused of being bigoted on a regular basis. My father used to say: "The first time someone calls you a horse you punch him on the nose, the second time someone calls you a horse you call him a jerk but the third time someone calls you a horse, well then perhaps it's time to go shopping for a saddle."
bovril Posted 28 November 2013 Posted 28 November 2013 For some reason I now imagine your Dad as Sam Elliott.
Finnegan Posted 28 November 2013 Posted 28 November 2013 For some reason I now imagine your Dad as Sam Elliott. It's distinctly possible my dad never actually said that. Sorry.
Zingari Posted 28 November 2013 Posted 28 November 2013 Er, pretty sure that it's always been the same. If you don't want to be accused of racism whilst discussing immigration then don't be racist whilst discussing immigration. Got a practical problem? Discuss it. Think black people are inherently predisposed to criminality for some sort of ethnic or biological reason? Probably keep that to yourself. There are plenty of social conservatives floating around that aren't accused of being bigoted on a regular basis. My father used to say: "The first time someone calls you a horse you punch him on the nose, the second time someone calls you a horse you call him a jerk but the third time someone calls you a horse, well then perhaps it's time to go shopping for a saddle." lots of ladies have said i'm like a horse
Dr The Singh Posted 28 November 2013 Posted 28 November 2013 lots of ladies have said i'm like a horse always having a long face!!!!
Dr The Singh Posted 28 November 2013 Posted 28 November 2013 Ain't that the truth. I think it's great that society is finally moving towards post-racism. We're nowhere near there yet of course but being able to talk frankly about the disadvantages of immigration without being labled a racist is a welcome step forward. I agree with alot you say Mouseee, i would really like a healthy debate about immigration, all us Brits want whats best for nation, and policy should reflect that.
Jimothy Posted 28 November 2013 Posted 28 November 2013 lots of ladies have said i'm like a horse You're good at jumping over fences?
Finnegan Posted 28 November 2013 Posted 28 November 2013 You're good at jumping over fences? No, his sixty a day habit has just really hit his larynx.
Zingari Posted 28 November 2013 Posted 28 November 2013 You're good at jumping over fences? No , but I've jumped through a few bushes always having a long face!!!! it's not my face that's long . i live in a fantasy world
Guest MattP Posted 28 November 2013 Posted 28 November 2013 The tide of opinion regarding the benefits of mass immigration seems to have shifted quite significantly if FT is any sort of barometer .Have attitudes towards mass immigration ever been different?Mass unskilled immigration causes lower wages and high unemployment, it serves to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. Don't think that's ever been popular. A sensible immigration policy based on bringing in people the country needs has been popular.
Guest MattP Posted 28 November 2013 Posted 28 November 2013 Er, pretty sure that it's always been the same. If you don't want to be accused of racism whilst discussing immigration then don't be racist whilst discussing immigration.." Err its not. Have a read of Peter Mandelson`s book or that Labour aide who worked under Brown's office (name escapes me for the minute) both have openly admitted they sought to deem anyone as racist who opposed their immigration policy. Surely you actually remember Gordon in the car when he left his Mic on? "That bigoted old woman" I believe he said after a perfectly reasonable question about why are you allowing so many migrants in when her town has many young people unemployed. How quick people are to forget things these days.
Dr The Singh Posted 28 November 2013 Posted 28 November 2013 Have attitudes towards mass immigration ever been different? Mass unskilled immigration causes lower wages and high unemployment, it serves to make the rich ticket and the poor poorer. Don't think that's ever been popular. A sensible immigration policy based on bringing in people the country needs has been popular. Even the immigrants would agree with that!!
Parafox Posted 28 November 2013 Posted 28 November 2013 Have attitudes towards mass immigration ever been different? Mass unskilled immigration causes lower wages and high unemployment, it serves to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. Don't think that's ever been popular. A sensible immigration policy based on bringing in people the country needs has been popular. As opposed to a government bringing in people IT needs. I read a while back when some government documents were de-classiified, that the Labour government under Wilson actively encouraged mass immigration from India, Asia and Africa (Uganda) as it was thought these would be the people most likely to vote for Labour out of gratitude and because of their dislike of "colonialists" which they considered to be the middle and ruling classes of Britain. This continued under Blair. Anyone who raised concerns was branded a racist. I agree with Matt, mass immigration will be negative for the UK, regardless of the country of origin. Really, the EU are the ones to blame for imposing this open door policy on us. I don't think we would feel as much under threat if we were able to set limits but this and previous governments are unwilling to make that stand, in spite of what we are led to believe. If UK governments had the balls to stand up to Brussels, we would be in a much better place, in terms of immigration.
MooseBreath Posted 28 November 2013 Posted 28 November 2013 Er, pretty sure that it's always been the same. If you don't want to be accused of racism whilst discussing immigration then don't be racist whilst discussing immigration. Got a practical problem? Discuss it. Think black people are inherently predisposed to criminality for some sort of ethnic or biological reason? Probably keep that to yourself. There are plenty of social conservatives floating around that aren't accused of being bigoted on a regular basis. My father used to say: "The first time someone calls you a horse you punch him on the nose, the second time someone calls you a horse you call him a jerk but the third time someone calls you a horse, well then perhaps it's time to go shopping for a saddle." Lovely bit a backpeddling that. Very juicy
Zingari Posted 28 November 2013 Posted 28 November 2013 Have attitudes towards mass immigration ever been different? Mass unskilled immigration causes lower wages and high unemployment, it serves to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. Don't think that's ever been popular. A sensible immigration policy based on bringing in people the country needs has been popular. yes i agree , but i sense a change in attitudes towards discussing immigration in the last few years . it seems it's no longer off limits to express concern about it, and the risk of being labelled a racist seems less. It's just an observation and opinion based on forums such as this though .
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