DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 4 November 2013 Posted 4 November 2013 Enoch Powell has always been, and always will be, one of my greatest heroes. He was right in what he said, and God less him for it. A true Englishman.
steveherbe Posted 4 November 2013 Posted 4 November 2013 You`ve listened to it before? I`ll take your word for it You need to look at the official crime stats to answer your second question All I'll say is, my wife works in a prison. The ratio of non-whites far exceeds that of the general population. In other words, there are more non-white criminals...... oh, you know what I'm saying ffs! And for once, I can add FACT to my post.
indierich06 Posted 4 November 2013 Posted 4 November 2013 Enoch Powell has always been, and always will be, one of my greatest heroes. He was right in what he said, and God less him for it. A true Englishman. Pipped to the post by Adolf Hitler though eh?
Captain... Posted 4 November 2013 Posted 4 November 2013 Enoch Powell has always been, and always will be, one of my greatest heroes. He was right in what he said, and God less him for it. A true Englishman. Why? What is your point of view, the same as I asked Rod Hull, saying you agree with or idolise a known racist doesn't make you racist, but you leave yourself open to accusations of racism if you don't express your opinion in a coherent way. So why do you see him as a hero? He wasn't right in what he said as he predicted the Black hand would be holding the whip in 15-20 years time, which considering he said that 44 years ago, he was definitely wrong, as he was also wrong when he said that our race riots would make us envious of the problems in Ireland and be comparable to those in the states, so what bit was he right about? Blacks are still marginalised in our society and don't have equality, it is much closer than it was in Enoch's day, but there is still not equality and they certainly don't hold the whip and never will in this country, but even if you did think that was a likely outcome the response is not to grip the whip harder in your white hands. Acording to this article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/9349376/Enoch-Powell-was-wrong.html The facts he used were unfounded and most likely to have been the result of the national front sending propaganda to Powell who lapped it up and wanted to cause a big reaction with his speech so wanted to believe it. So which bits was he right about, and what do you believe?
Guest MattP Posted 4 November 2013 Posted 4 November 2013 Why do people think that speech is the benchmark of Enoch Powells life? He's a remarkable man who was a great thinker and fought in numerous wars for his country. It's a shame that speech is the first thing that comes to mind when people think of him. Ironically his voting record suggests he was a fairly moderate Tory despite what a lot of of the left wing lunatics spout about him.
Guest Bilo Posted 4 November 2013 Posted 4 November 2013 Why do people think that speech is the benchmark of Enoch Powells life? He's a remarkable man who was a great thinker and fought in numerous wars for his country. It's a shame that speech is the first thing that comes to mind when people think of him. Ironically his voting record suggests he was a fairly moderate Tory despite what a lot of of the left wing lunatics spout about him. I understand the speech itself was taken from a letter written by a drunken old bint from Wolverhampton. It was a massive error of judgement to essentially endorse a letter written by somebody who had a reputation as the local pisshead whom the local kids would play knock-a-door-run with of an evening. That being said, he was pro-legalisation of homosexuality and anti-death penalty. His views on immigration, nationality and race were more in line with Nick Griffin than the modern Conservatice Party though, which has basically demolished his reputation.
Mike the Metal Ed Posted 4 November 2013 Posted 4 November 2013 Why do people think that speech is the benchmark of Enoch Powells life? Why not ask his fans who trumpet it as one of the finest things ever said in British politics?
Captain... Posted 5 November 2013 Posted 5 November 2013 Why do people think that speech is the benchmark of Enoch Powells life? He's a remarkable man who was a great thinker and fought in numerous wars for his country. It's a shame that speech is the first thing that comes to mind when people think of him. Ironically his voting record suggests he was a fairly moderate Tory despite what a lot of of the left wing lunatics spout about him. I don't think that was all he did, but I think I am justified in asking Rod Hull why he posted the speech, and DT why he was one of his heroes and "was right in what he said". You can guarantee when most people say things like "Enoch Powell was right" they are referring to his rivers of blood speech and not his moderate voting record.
DennisNedry Posted 5 November 2013 Posted 5 November 2013 So why do you see him as a hero? He wasn't right in what he said as he predicted the Black hand would be holding the whip in 15-20 years time, which considering he said that 44 years ago, he was definitely wrong. He was of course very wrong in his timescale, but his prediction will ultimately be proven, probably after we have died. That's fortunate for me because I don't wish to see the day! I've had the insight from working in highfields and the surrounding areas I contest strongly that immigrants are only 13% of the population, because a large number of the 2nd generation immigrants also maintain strongly their parents culture and also do not intergrate fully. Why not ask his fans who trumpet it as one of the finest things ever said in British politics? I admire him greatly for both speaking his mind and also vocalising the concerns of much of the British population. Politicians now seem to actively ignore public opinion rather than risk their careers to voice it. I had a watch of this interview from 1969. Comes across as an intelligent and charasmatic man. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKPze0dRgW8
I am Rod Hull Posted 5 November 2013 Author Posted 5 November 2013 He was of course very wrong in his timescale, but his prediction will ultimately be proven, probably after we have died. That's fortunate for me because I don't wish to see the day! Sad but true. CPF and co seem to get some kind of sexual kick from genocide.
leicsmac Posted 5 November 2013 Posted 5 November 2013 He was of course very wrong in his timescale, but his prediction will ultimately be proven, probably after we have died. That's fortunate for me because I don't wish to see the day! I've had the insight from working in highfields and the surrounding areas I contest strongly that immigrants are only 13% of the population, because a large number of the 2nd generation immigrants also maintain strongly their parents culture and also do not intergrate fully. You do sound pretty certain about something that may not happen, if fact probably won't. Where does this conviction come from? As Matt and Bilo pointed out, Enoch Powell was a good politician with some good views on the economy and other social issues, as well as being something of a war hero. So it's a damn shame that this reactionary-bait speech is the only thing he's remembered for in many circles. Sad but true. CPF and co seem to get some kind of sexual kick from genocide. As ad hominems go, that's a pretty decent one. I'm assuming you actually read his post above?
I am Rod Hull Posted 5 November 2013 Author Posted 5 November 2013 I'm assuming you actually read his post above? Tbh I skim read or dont bother reading his posts, just like with Lamby, Kingfox and Ken.
leicsmac Posted 5 November 2013 Posted 5 November 2013 Tbh I just skim read or just not bother reading his posts, like I do with Lamby, Kingfox and Ken. Fair enough. That's something of a shame really because the one above got a shedload of +1's for a reason. It's actually rather good. I like to nose around Lambys postings just on the off chance that 21st CF will come up with one of his legendary manips. Digging through all that excrement is worth it when you find diamonds like that.
I am Rod Hull Posted 5 November 2013 Author Posted 5 November 2013 Fair enough. That's something of a shame really because the one above got a shedload of +1's for a reason. It's actually rather good. I like to nose around Lambys postings just on the off chance that 21st CF will come up with one of his legendary manips. Digging through all that excrement is worth it when you find diamonds like that. I like Lamby, he is against 14 year old kids getting married and only gets his todger out for girls and work mates with pubes. I will never take seriously someone that thinks its ok for 14 year old kids to be married... CPF has a 3rd world/C4 mentality.
Harry - LCFC Posted 5 November 2013 Posted 5 November 2013 I like Lamby, he is against 14 year old kids getting married and only gets his todger out for girls and work mates with pubes. I will never take seriously someone that thinks its ok for 14 year old kids to be married in this country... I'm sure many people would say the same of someone who thinks black people are naturally violent...
leicsmac Posted 5 November 2013 Posted 5 November 2013 I like Lamby, he is against 14 year old kids getting married and only gets his todger out for girls and work mates with pubes. I will never take seriously someone that thinks its ok for 14 year old kids to be married... CPF has a 3rd world/C4 mentality. So one particular viewpoint makes all of his other ones invalid? Strikes me as a mite irrational. There are those on here who I clash with on a lot of things but when they do make a point I agree with I'll say so, even if there are a lot of other things I disagree with them on. Absolutism annoys me.
I am Rod Hull Posted 5 November 2013 Author Posted 5 November 2013 I'm sure many people would say the same of someone who thinks black people are naturally violent... When did I say that? I think that the 8 finalists in the 100m final in the Brasilian Olympic games will all be black btw
I am Rod Hull Posted 5 November 2013 Author Posted 5 November 2013 So one particular viewpoint makes all of his other ones invalid? Strikes me as a mite irrational. There are those on here who I clash with on a lot of things but when they do make a point I agree with I'll say so, even if there are a lot of other things I disagree with them on. Absolutism annoys me. I like Gary Glitters "another rock n roll Christmas" but I still cant take him seriously when we chat about football.
leicsmac Posted 5 November 2013 Posted 5 November 2013 I like Gary Glitters "another rock n roll Christmas" but I still cant take him seriously when we chat about football. Not the same situation, and I'm pretty sure you know it. Unless there's something that's not been told I'm pretty sure CPF isn't a convicted felon. He has made some very good points in his post above, and quite a few people agree with them. You do your own argument no good by just trying to sweep them under the carpet and not coming up with any kind of reasonable counter-argument. But hey, this is your thread and you can do what you like. And as I mentioned earlier, views on this are pretty entrenched so I guess the likelihood of actual debate on this topic are pretty minimal.
I am Rod Hull Posted 5 November 2013 Author Posted 5 November 2013 Not the same situation, and I'm pretty sure you know it. Unless there's something that's not been told I'm pretty sure CPF isn't a convicted felon. He has made some very good points in his post above, and quite a few people agree with them. You do your own argument no good by just trying to sweep them under the carpet and not coming up with any kind of reasonable counter-argument. But hey, this is your thread and you can do what you like. And as I mentioned earlier, views on this are pretty entrenched so I guess the likelihood of actual debate on this topic are pretty minimal. Flannel.
leicsmac Posted 5 November 2013 Posted 5 November 2013 Flannel. Yep, I have a rather cool looking red one. But in all seriousness, what do you want people to say? There are a few people who have come up with pretty reasonable arguments on here against what Enoch Powell said regarding immigration and erosion of British culture (in fact they're doing the opposite of flanneling by trying to talk about the topic directly), but you don't seem to want to talk to them or counter their arguments with your own to continue the debate. So everyone is just going to go round and round. If you want direct: Powell was a good politician and a fantastic orator as well as being a hugely capable soldier and a very intelligent man, but he was also a throwback martinet who believed fully in the supremacy of the British Empire (actually wanted to be Viceroy of India until it gained independence) and of British people in general. Only time is going to tell on whether that speech he made will come true, but I strongly doubt it.
Harry - LCFC Posted 5 November 2013 Posted 5 November 2013 When did I say that? I think that the 8 finalists in the 100m final in the Brasilian Olympic games will all be black btw Please don't play innocent. You never said it explicitly but you've been implying almost exactly that for the entirety of this thread. "Oh look, black people commit more crimes than anyone else (repeat, repeat, repeat) but I'm not trying to suggest that being black makes someone more likely to be a criminal. Oh no sir, not me." Funnily enought it's actually you who's sweeping things under the carpet despite what you suggested earlier, you aren't prepared to fully explain your views because you're worried about the reaction you'll get. Stop censoring yourself Rod, you'd be moaning at a leftie if they were doing it.
Captain... Posted 5 November 2013 Posted 5 November 2013 I like Lamby, he is against 14 year old kids getting married and only gets his todger out for girls and work mates with pubes. I will never take seriously someone that thinks its ok for 14 year old kids to be married... CPF has a 3rd world/C4 mentality. I didn't say it was ok just that I'm not going to lose any sleep if they do, (may main point was over the right for someone to choose) but that was another thread. As for this thread, what is it you actually believe (simple question you started this thread for a reason)? That black people will rise up and take control of this country and supress even enslave the whites? What about the Asians (there are more Asians than Blacks) or non british white (again more than black). Stats: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_England#Ethnicity Why do you think skin colour will be a factor? This what I don't understand, at least fear of Muslims has some founding.
MooseBreath Posted 5 November 2013 Posted 5 November 2013 Never has one OP provoked so many lengthy responses by saying so little.
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