Mark_w Posted 22 December 2013 Posted 22 December 2013 If it did, then there would be no-one left serving. You would have to apply it to jewish people, Sikhs, vegetarians, vegans etc etc. Suddenly everyone can claim they dont want to sell this and that because they dont believe in it. The list would go on and on until it became absolutely stupid. Once you introduce a policy like this, where does it stop? The majority of the country and I assume the majority of M&S staff are perfectly happy murdering animals and drinking alcohol, so if one or two small groups don't feel comfortable selling those products, I don't see what the big deal is. As long as M&S apply this to anyone who feels uncomfortable selling the products then it isn't a problem and if they're not applying it to everyone the problem is with Marks & Spencers rather than with Muslims.
StanSP Posted 22 December 2013 Posted 22 December 2013 You underestimate what people get sacked for. I really don't. A vegetarian refusing to serve someone a meat product would not get sacked.
StanSP Posted 22 December 2013 Posted 22 December 2013 A few people who happen to be muslims are alledged to have resused to sell certain items and the whole lot are stereotyped. Typical of the British press. You've stereotyped the British press there . It's really just the Telegraph and then the Daily Mail who love this kind of story to sensationalise to give Muslims a bad name.
Finnaldo Posted 22 December 2013 Posted 22 December 2013 If it did, then there would be no-one left serving. You would have to apply it to jewish people, Sikhs, vegetarians, vegans etc etc. Suddenly everyone can claim they dont want to sell this and that because they dont believe in it. The list would go on and on until it became absolutely stupid. Once you introduce a policy like this, where does it stop? Sikhs don't have dietary restrictions, Jews can't eat pork and salmon, but vegetarians and vegans may not be consciously inclined to refuse the sale of products, depending on why they are vegetarians. Not exactly a long list is it?
The Doctor Posted 22 December 2013 Posted 22 December 2013 Yep. Every singly Muslim is ridiculous. Well, idolising a delusional paedophile as the greatest example of humanity seems pretty ridiculous... Still, while what they said was a pretty big generalisation, they are very touchy over the whole alcohol and pork stuff - not much of a leap is it?
Mark_w Posted 22 December 2013 Posted 22 December 2013 er, yeh, that is one of the main beliefs of Islam is it not? How is it 'ridiculous' to not eat pork and not drink alcohol?
NathanBlueFox Posted 22 December 2013 Author Posted 22 December 2013 I really don't. A vegetarian refusing to serve someone a meat product would not get sacked. they really would, and the company has the right to sack them.
Larry_LCFC Posted 22 December 2013 Posted 22 December 2013 The majority of the country and I assume the majority of M&S staff are perfectly happy murdering animals and drinking alcohol, so if one or two small groups don't feel comfortable selling those products, I don't see what the big deal is. As long as M&S apply this to anyone who feels uncomfortable selling the products then it isn't a problem and if they're not applying it to everyone the problem is with Marks & Spencers rather than with Muslims. Ive worked in retail all my life. The most basic rule of retail is the customer comes first. Without the customer, there is no retail. Why should customers therefore have to wait longer to spend their money in their shop, just because M+S want to give special treatment to muslims? You may say "its just a few more minutes, who cares" but alot of people will. As I said earlier, if a muslim chooses to work in a shop that sells pork, then they should expect to sell it. Its part of their job. They should not be given special treatment, simple as.
Finnaldo Posted 22 December 2013 Posted 22 December 2013 And you forgot about pescetarians. How could you forget the pescetarians???
StanSP Posted 22 December 2013 Posted 22 December 2013 they really would, and the company has the right to sack them. They really wouldn't.
lavrentis Posted 22 December 2013 Posted 22 December 2013 Ridiculous of M+S, makes me wonder what country we are in ??
Rincewind Posted 22 December 2013 Posted 22 December 2013 You've stereotyped the British press there . It's really just the Telegraph and then the Daily Mail who love this kind of story to sensationalise to give Muslims a bad name. I didn't want to single the Mail and Telegraph out for obvious reasons. maybe I should have put 'certain sections' Could they just ask to be put on a different section? I also there were sections on application forms where you can state concerns.
Finnaldo Posted 22 December 2013 Posted 22 December 2013 Ridiculous of M+S, makes me wonder what country we are in ?? A free democratic one, where you have religious freedom. You also have the right to voice your opinion, which in this case Muslims probably have and as a result can follow the guidelines of their religion. EDIT: unsure if sarcastic or not
Larry_LCFC Posted 22 December 2013 Posted 22 December 2013 Sikhs don't have dietary restrictions, Jews can't eat pork and salmon, but vegetarians and vegans may not be consciously inclined to refuse the sale of products, depending on why they are vegetarians. Not exactly a long list is it? Think you will find a lot of Sikhs wont touch beef because the cow is sacred. I just gave a few examples. You could come up with an endless list of people who could refuse to sell something because of what they believe in. Or shall we take it to the next level and refuse to work sundays because im christian and its a holy day. I would get my arse kicked.
Mark_w Posted 22 December 2013 Posted 22 December 2013 Ive worked in retail all my life. The most basic rule of retail is the customer comes first. I've been a customer all my life and I'm 99% sure that isn't true.
Kitchandro Posted 22 December 2013 Posted 22 December 2013 How is it 'ridiculous' to not eat pork and not drink alcohol? Because there's no sane reasoning behind it, is there?
Mike Oxlong Posted 22 December 2013 Posted 22 December 2013 Next we'll have Catholics refusing to sell dobbers.
Larry_LCFC Posted 22 December 2013 Posted 22 December 2013 They really wouldn't. If I walked into the large supermarket chain I work for tomorrow and said "bollocks to selling alcohol, I dont drink", they would have me upstairs before my feet touched the floor. I guarantee Ive seen people sacked for less. You are in effect refusing to carry out your full job roles. It would appear if you can use the race card, it doesnt matter.
Mark_w Posted 22 December 2013 Posted 22 December 2013 Because there's no sane reasoning behind it, is there? Pork - Murder of innocent animals. Alcohol - Severe health risks. Insane reasons?
lavrentis Posted 22 December 2013 Posted 22 December 2013 A free democratic one, where you have religious freedom. You also have the right to voice your opinion, which in this case Muslims probably have and as a result can follow the guidelines of their religion. EDIT: unsure if sarcastic or not If your religion puts any restriction on a job, why even apply for it ?
StanSP Posted 22 December 2013 Posted 22 December 2013 If I walked into the large supermarket chain I work for tomorrow and said "bollocks to selling alcohol, I dont drink", they would have me upstairs before my feet touched the floor. I guarantee Ive seen people sacked for less. You are in effect refusing to carry out your full job roles. It would appear if you can use the race card, it doesnt matter. It's M&S' decision and maybe their legislations of their staff employment are different to where you work? I've worked in retail for most of my life too - I really don't think I'd get sacked if I refused to sell any of our products containing alcohol (I'm not Muslim, but hypothetically). If your religion puts any restriction on a job, why even apply for it ? £££.
Webbo Posted 22 December 2013 Posted 22 December 2013 Pork - Murder of innocent animals. Insane reasons? But if you eat other meats that arguments doesn't stack up.
Rincewind Posted 22 December 2013 Posted 22 December 2013 If I was refused at the till I would consider leaving the stuff there and go somewhere else and not go in the store again. I bet there would be others who would do the same
lavrentis Posted 22 December 2013 Posted 22 December 2013 £££. Their religion must mean a lot to them then if they will sacrifice one of their sacred morals for dosh, makes no sense
Mark_w Posted 22 December 2013 Posted 22 December 2013 But if you eat other meats that arguments don't stack up. True. Could argue health reasons for not eating Pork though.
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