Sherlock

[ithuriel]

Interesting lead into the next series, thought tonight's episode was quite good.

[Charl91]

I thought it was great. Probably the best one of the series.

 

It's going to have to be some very elaborate explanation for next season though.

[ithuriel]

Might just be the threat of Moriarty rather than Moriarty.

[Happy Fox]

What is this f**kery!, I had a strange feeling that Moriaty may be back when he appeared in the death chamber with Sherlock may need to rewind to that point, because Moriaty says some interesting things.

 

But a fantastic episode bloody hell so much to take in.

[Guest shearfox]

That was just an absolutely fantastic episode, was gripped to it every second... and Moriarty is back!

[Guest Bilo]

Bloody hell!

 

It's only the 12th January, but if there's a better piece of television in 2014 it'll have to be something special. 

 

Absolutely incredible viewing. Brilliantly acted as always, twists and turns galore and a superb ending. Bringing back Andrew Scott is inspired, as his absence has been conspicuous in this series for me. Magnussen's weirdness wasn't anything like as menacing as Moriarty's insane obsessive hatred, and I just couldn't get away from thinking he was a hybrid of Sven-Goran Eriksson and Rupert Murdoch. That's not to criticise him though, I thought the 'mind palace' twist was inspired after all the talk and displaying of his blackmail vault.

 

Excellent stuff, just hoping we won't have to wait another two years.

[Bob Weasel Fox]

Was very good IMO but not quite as good as the last 2 series

[indierich06]

Not as good as series 2 on the whole, and arguably not as good as the first series either. The last 20 minutes of last night's show left me feeling a bit deflated to be honest. Felt they made way too little of what could have been an amazing villain in Charles Augustus Magnusson. There was no clever solution, no battle of wits - just Sherlock shooting him in the head. If that's the best he could muster then he should have let Mary do it earlier in the episode.

This series feels far too much like it's appealing to the fan-girls to me. They haven't explained how Sherlock cheated death and now they expect us to believe that Moriarty survived a gunshot to the head as well - something else which they probably won't bother to explain at the start of the next season.

Bringing back Moriarty so soon feels a bit desperate to me, like they've run out of ideas. The next season will have to be a lot better in my opinion, they need to get back to actually solving mysteries and crimes rather than weddings and such.

I did enjoy the series as I love Sherlock Holmes, and I think Cumberbatch and Freeman are excellent in their roles, but I just feel this series could have been so much better. That's why I feel deflated.

[Carl the Llama]

Not as good as series 2 on the whole, and arguably not as good as the first series either. The last 20 minutes of last night's show left me feeling a bit deflated to be honest. Felt they made way too little of what could have been an amazing villain in Charles Augustus Magnusson. There was no clever solution, no battle of wits - just Sherlock shooting him in the head. If that's the best he could muster then he should have let Mary do it earlier in the episode.

This series feels far too much like it's appealing to the fan-girls to me. They haven't explained how Sherlock cheated death and now they expect us to believe that Moriarty survived a gunshot to the head as well - something else which they probably won't bother to explain at the start of the next season.

Bringing back Moriarty so soon feels a bit desperate to me, like they've run out of ideas. The next season will have to be a lot better in my opinion, they need to get back to actually solving mysteries and crimes rather than weddings and such.

I did enjoy the series as I love Sherlock Holmes, and I think Cumberbatch and Freeman are excellent in their roles, but I just feel this series could have been so much better. That's why I feel deflated.

Yeah they did - Sherlock told the obsessed guy how he did it.

[Rincewind]

http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2014/jan/13/dailymail-sherlock

Not read it all but I hope it won't put anyone off from watching it now. :-)

[Exeter Fox]

I thought the last episode was really good. Not sure how they're going to continue it from here.

 

Perhaps it's more likely that someone is just using Moriarty's face to attract Sherlock's attention, rather than him being alive. I'm not sure how they could explain him surviving a gunshot wound to the head.

[Rincewind]

Well I never thought of Sherlock as a cold blooded killer. After Magnussan was only a blackmailer.

I had a feeling Moriarty would return but how with his brains blown out? Only way is if someone was duped or hypnotised in taking his place on the roof. A little bizarre as I noticed no clues for thisfor which there has to be to make it ccredible. A writer cannot just make up things after thhe event. There has to be some logic to the end result.

[Webbo]

Not as good as series 2 on the whole, and arguably not as good as the first series either. The last 20 minutes of last night's show left me feeling a bit deflated to be honest. Felt they made way too little of what could have been an amazing villain in Charles Augustus Magnusson. There was no clever solution, no battle of wits - just Sherlock shooting him in the head. If that's the best he could muster then he should have let Mary do it earlier in the episode.

 

That's what I thought too.

 

Also that 2 minutes when he working out which way to fall when he was shot, it felt like padding to me.

[Charl91]

That's what I thought too.

 

Also that 2 minutes when he working out which way to fall when he was shot, it felt like padding to me.

 

I thought that was excellent to be honest. It shows the speed at which his mind works (he'd worked out the best plan of action before he'd even hit the ground) and highlights how he can use his intellect to his advantage even in situations where you think "there's no way you can think your way out of this one".

[indierich06]

Yeah they did - Sherlock told the obsessed guy how he did it.

 

Heavily implied that the solution he told Anderson wasn't the real one.

[Captain...]

Not as good as series 2 on the whole, and arguably not as good as the first series either. The last 20 minutes of last night's show left me feeling a bit deflated to be honest. Felt they made way too little of what could have been an amazing villain in Charles Augustus Magnusson. There was no clever solution, no battle of wits - just Sherlock shooting him in the head. If that's the best he could muster then he should have let Mary do it earlier in the episode.

This series feels far too much like it's appealing to the fan-girls to me. They haven't explained how Sherlock cheated death and now they expect us to believe that Moriarty survived a gunshot to the head as well - something else which they probably won't bother to explain at the start of the next season.

Bringing back Moriarty so soon feels a bit desperate to me, like they've run out of ideas. The next season will have to be a lot better in my opinion, they need to get back to actually solving mysteries and crimes rather than weddings and such.

I did enjoy the series as I love Sherlock Holmes, and I think Cumberbatch and Freeman are excellent in their roles, but I just feel this series could have been so much better. That's why I feel deflated.

I feel very much the same, I liked the wedding episode as a stand alone episode, but when you only have three episodes, and it did nothing to further the Magnusson story, ok in hindsight you see a bit more of Mary's past creeping in, but it really felt like a light hearted filler piece, which would be fine in a series of 12 or even 6 episodes, but not 3.

I also don't really get why he put Watson in the fire, it didn't really make sense and was it supposed to be a clue to the case they were working on.

Just too many things were just a bit off kilter, the way he used his 'girlfriend', seemed out of character, even for a high functioning sociopath. Shooting him in the head at the end. Being out-witted, he wouldn't just kill him, even though it is for the greater good, he would want to be able to beat him, prove his superiority. We see it in a number of his previous dealings, especially with Moriarty, and the cab driver, he wasn't interested in protecting the public, he just wanted to prove he was the best.

It would have made more sense for Watson to shoot him, Sherlock being bested mentally, then Watson shoots Magnusson.

Finally did anyone find the fact the fact that the New years day episode was set on bonfire night, and Sunday's episode having a Christmas vibe to be a bit annoying? especially seeing as between those 2 episodes John impregnated Mary, so it meant that during the course of the series over a year passed.

[Alexikokopops]

Not as good as series 2 on the whole, and arguably not as good as the first series either. The last 20 minutes of last night's show left me feeling a bit deflated to be honest. Felt they made way too little of what could have been an amazing villain in Charles Augustus Magnusson. There was no clever solution, no battle of wits - just Sherlock shooting him in the head. If that's the best he could muster then he should have let Mary do it earlier in the episode.

This series feels far too much like it's appealing to the fan-girls to me. They haven't explained how Sherlock cheated death and now they expect us to believe that Moriarty survived a gunshot to the head as well - something else which they probably won't bother to explain at the start of the next season.

Bringing back Moriarty so soon feels a bit desperate to me, like they've run out of ideas. The next season will have to be a lot better in my opinion, they need to get back to actually solving mysteries and crimes rather than weddings and such.

I did enjoy the series as I love Sherlock Holmes, and I think Cumberbatch and Freeman are excellent in their roles, but I just feel this series could have been so much better. That's why I feel deflated.

 

This is largely how I feel. Still more enjoyable than the vast majority of stuff on TV though.

 

I feel very much the same, I liked the wedding episode as a stand alone episode, but when you only have three episodes, and it did nothing to further the Magnusson story, ok in hindsight you see a bit more of Mary's past creeping in, but it really felt like a light hearted filler piece, which would be fine in a series of 12 or even 6 episodes, but not 3.

I also don't really get why he put Watson in the fire, it didn't really make sense and was it supposed to be a clue to the case they were working on.

Just too many things were just a bit off kilter, the way he used his 'girlfriend', seemed out of character, even for a high functioning sociopath. Shooting him in the head at the end. Being out-witted, he wouldn't just kill him, even though it is for the greater good, he would want to be able to beat him, prove his superiority. We see it in a number of his previous dealings, especially with Moriarty, and the cab driver, he wasn't interested in protecting the public, he just wanted to prove he was the best.

It would have made more sense for Watson to shoot him, Sherlock being bested mentally, then Watson shoots Magnusson.

Finally did anyone find the fact the fact that the New years day episode was set on bonfire night, and Sunday's episode having a Christmas vibe to be a bit annoying? especially seeing as between those 2 episodes John impregnated Mary, so it meant that during the course of the series over a year passed.

 

I thought the whole point of this series was to explore his relationship with Watson, and to express how important he is to him? As a result, keeping Mary safe for Watson's sake was more important to him than appearing "the best", hence he shot him. If anything the shooting was a culmination of what we've seen throughout the series, rather than being off kilter. And Magnusson stuck Watson in the fire to prove his suspicions that he was Sherlock's pressure point (in quite a dramatic way), which is why he had people standing by to make sure that Watson wasn't actually going to get hurt.

[Captain...]

This is largely how I feel. Still more enjoyable than the vast majority of stuff on TV though.

 

 

I thought the whole point of this series was to explore his relationship with Watson, and to express how important he is to him? As a result, keeping Mary safe for Watson's sake was more important to him than appearing "the best", hence he shot him. If anything the shooting was a culmination of what we've seen throughout the series, rather than being off kilter. And Magnusson stuck Watson in the fire to prove his suspicions that he was Sherlock's pressure point (in quite a dramatic way), which is why he had people standing by to make sure that Watson wasn't actually going to get hurt.

 

I know the reason he gave for putting Watson in the fire, but it makes no sense, did he really need to put Watson in a fire to prove it was a pressure point of Sherlock? And does Sherlock saving him from the fire prove he is a pressure point?

 

Sherlock has repeatedly put himself and others, including Watson, at risk to solve crimes and save innocent people's lives, saving Watson from the fire proves nothing.

 

I don't disagree with what you're saying about the series being about their relationship, but being only 3 episodes long, there isn't a massive development arc, in terms of time scale we are left in the dark, but it must have been over a year between episode 1 and 3, so we see him come back, be best man, and then the last episode. For me it needed to develop more with more of a reaction from John and Sherlock finally understanding what he did and getting forgiveness from Watson. All of that bit was skipped.

 

Finally shooting him, was just a cop out, especially the way it was done, I just expected more.

[Len Finsbury]

I think some of you guys look into things far too deeply.

 

Were you entertained while you were watching it? If so, job done.

 

I enjoyed it but I have no need to dissect it.

[Phube]

I think some of you guys look into things far too deeply.

Were you entertained while you were watching it? If so, job done.

I enjoyed it but I have no need to dissect it.

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