Trav Le Bleu Posted 17 February 2014 Posted 17 February 2014 For me, it lost some importance when they moved it from the last game of the season to include in a weekend with Premier League games. It should be a showpiece event, deserving of it's own day/ weekend. Semi-finals should have remained at Villa Park and Old Trafford (maybe the Emirates now too) and the final played at 3pm. Definitely!
davieG Posted 17 February 2014 Posted 17 February 2014 Clubs prioritising the league money ahead of winning a trophy. Such a sad state of affairs where finishing 14th instead of 16th is more important than winning the FA Cup. Managers using the lame excuse of it being a distraction. Sorry, how can playing football be a distraction? Really pleased with Gus Poyet's mentality this season, using the cups to help league form and bring excitement to the fans. Cup runs and league form don't have to be mutually exclusive. Sadly, I think it is beyond repair, and we just have to accept that some clubs don't want the hassle of it. I will be very disappointed if we go the same way should we get promoted, and the excuse of "well, other clubs do it" shouldn't wash. For me, it lost some importance when they moved it from the last game of the season to include in a weekend with Premier League games. It should be a showpiece event, deserving of it's own day/ weekend. Semi-finals should have remained at Villa Park and Old Trafford (maybe the Emirates now too) and the final played at 3pm. We already have, certainly many fans viewed it as a hindrance to promotion. it's hardly surprising that the £££££millions quoted for promotion compared with getting through to the next round of the cup blurs people's vision. It's not as if getting promoted will bring anything other than, at best a continuous battle to survive spattered with the odd giant killing. After the disappointments of the 60s Cup finals and the immense feeling and ongoing memories I got beating Middlesboro to win the lesser league cup I know that winning an FA Cup is high on my list of priorities if not top of them.. The FA should be trying to match/emulate the NFL's Superbowl which it was once superior to in terms of being renowned.
Chilwell_Fox Posted 17 February 2014 Posted 17 February 2014 The whole thing has lost its buzz because of the popularity of the premier league. Many premier league clubs don't see it as their bread and butter and therefore have willfully negl;ected the tournament. It does not suprise me this has happened, premeier league managers could do without replays and extra games.
Corky Posted 17 February 2014 Posted 17 February 2014 We already have, certainly many fans viewed it as a hindrance to promotion. it's hardly surprising that the £££££millions quoted for promotion compared with getting through to the next round of the cup blurs people's vision. It's not as if getting promoted will bring anything other than, at best a continuous battle to survive spattered with the odd giant killing. After the disappointments of the 60s Cup finals and the immense feeling and ongoing memories I got beating Middlesboro to win the lesser league cup I know that winning an FA Cup is high on my list of priorities if not top of them.. If you look back to 2001, in many ways the Wycombe defeat was the catalyst for the collapse of the league form as we threw away two chances to reach Europe, so cup results can have a major impact. Was gutted after that, really felt we had a chance of reaching the final. I'm with you, desperate to win the FA Cup and have our name on the trophy. Rankles that it is missing given some of the names on there.
davieG Posted 17 February 2014 Posted 17 February 2014 If you look back to 2001, in many ways the Wycombe defeat was the catalyst for the collapse of the league form as we threw away two chances to reach Europe, so cup results can have a major impact. Was gutted after that, really felt we had a chance of reaching the final. I'm with you, desperate to win the FA Cup and have our name on the trophy. Rankles that it is missing given some of the names on there. Like Cov who fluked the final.
Corky Posted 17 February 2014 Posted 17 February 2014 Like Cov who fluked the final. Coventry, Wigan, Portsmouth, Barnsley, Notts County, Southampton, Cardiff, Blackpool, Wimbledon- they aren't bigger than us really and even worse is that we've reached the most finals without winning it.
Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 17 February 2014 Posted 17 February 2014 The final is the last game of the season his year and the BBC have bought the TV rights from next season.
AyewJoking Posted 17 February 2014 Posted 17 February 2014 I think most clubs would still love to win the competition but its a mere distraction these days. Also, when it became sponsored it kinda dragged the whole thing into the gutter.
Uncle Albert Posted 17 February 2014 Author Posted 17 February 2014 I think most clubs would still love to win the competition but its a mere distraction these days. Also, when it became sponsored it kinda dragged the whole thing into the gutter. It's been sponsored since 1994 mate, don't think sponsorship has anything to do with it.
RowlattsFox Posted 17 February 2014 Posted 17 February 2014 Not sure what came first, clubs picking reserves or fans deciding it wasn't worth the extra money. Far too many grounds are empty in the earlier rounds. Need to try encourage the fans back. Would get rid of replays personally, which does bring its negatives but would be better.
FuriousFox46 Posted 17 February 2014 Posted 17 February 2014 http://thechriswhitingshow.wordpress.com/2014/02/14/can-the-fa-cup-final-be-englands-super-bowl/
Leicesterpool Posted 17 February 2014 Posted 17 February 2014 We've been saying this for years but it's about time the winners of the fa cup should qualify for the champions league! while maybe if win the league cup you get to play a play off game against third place to get into the champions league (unless of course one of top three club win it)
Dan Posted 17 February 2014 Posted 17 February 2014 It's turned shit because there's less money in it than the Premier League. The majority of clubs only talk in one language, and that's money. So it's turned shit because of that and nothing more. I'm honestly struggling to maintain interest in it now. It's just flat atmospheres, teams with 7 changes and the fact the TV games are generally dull all-Premier League ties like Everton v Swansea - who is honestly bothered by that as a fixture?
Dan Posted 17 February 2014 Posted 17 February 2014 For me the cups drift in and drift out of importance. I think the reason for this is that the league and promotion is a priority, though when sitting comfortably mid table with no real signs of any possibility of league success, irrelevant of whether it's in L1, Championship or Prem, the cups become something of excitement and interest. But they don't. Southampton won't be in Europe and they won't go down - yet they still put out a weakened team. The majority of clubs see it as a distraction because there's no money in it. Throw money at anything (no matter how shit it is) and it's successful in football. It's absolute shit.
Bayfox Posted 17 February 2014 Posted 17 February 2014 It lost its buzz almost as soon as the premier league came along and uefa invented a champions league for losers. When 4th became more important than a trophy. Because football became business not entertainment. Until the fa cup gets a champions league spot the big clubs won't care. For me southampton this weekend are the worst culprit. Not gonna be involved in a relegation scrap and not gonna get in the top 6. Yet play a weaker side. Where's the ambition to win something. we are no better. Being in the top flight is everything to the owners. To some fans winning the fa cup would last a lifetime. Sheff utd have been a breath of fresh air this year. But they are one bright spot.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 17 February 2014 Posted 17 February 2014 When Man Utd decided it wasn't worth competing in. Well, it seemed to be around that time, I'm sure that wasn't the only reason. It was still popular and attracted big crowds until the late 90s/early 2000s. It seemed at that point though attendances started to dwindle. Certainly playing the semis at Wembley hasn't helped, nor has Sky Sports bigging up the Champions League and 4th place etc (and the fans buying into it). I also think every match should be either live on the BBC or not at all, with all highlights being on the Beeb too. Essentially, 'the buzz' is all about the interest from the general public. There was a time when even a crap tie was one of the best attendances of the season, that was even still the case in the mid 90s. Now, almost every match is poorly attended. It's all very well saying the magic of the cup is alive because a lower league team takes it seriously but that's because they're playing a bigger/better team, not because it's the Cup. For it to get it's buzz back all teams need to take it seriously. And obviously that won't happen until it's given some sort of injection, i.e: awarding a Champions League place to the winners. slight correction- The FA virtually forced man utd into going to that tournament thinking it'd do them favours for the right to hold the WC in 2006. For me its the money side again that's ruined the cup. **** the CL spot for 4th place in the league and give it the FA Cup Winners
The Year Of The Fox Posted 17 February 2014 Posted 17 February 2014 When Sky first bought all the prem rights, I think the FA cup had a bit of a boost as it was the only live TV available on normal TV, and you would watch it as for those without Sky Sports it was a rare chance to watch a live Liverpool or Man United match. I think now most people have Sky Sports, or a way to stream it on the computer, so it loses that buzz, and those that do watch a lot of live football may even see it as a weekend off to go and do something rather than watch footy. That and the fact now highlights aren't on the BBC, ITV does shit coverage of anything, whereas you would watch it in the usual MOTD slot, just out of habit. I also think we are close to reaching saturation point with the amount of live football you can watch, I know I am, there is so much live footy on TV these days I only really bother if Leicester are playing or I'm watching it down the pub with a mate, or I may have it on in the background while doing something else. Yeh these are all very valid points too. BT Sport doesn't help either. I refuse to buy it after paying my tv license and sky subscription beforehand.
Soar Fox Posted 17 February 2014 Posted 17 February 2014 Yeh these are all very valid points too. BT Sport doesn't help either. I refuse to buy it after paying my tv license and sky subscription beforehand. You aren't missing much by not having BT sport. The commentary and punditry is shocking.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 17 February 2014 Posted 17 February 2014 You aren't missing much by not having BT sport. The commentary and punditry is shocking. I know. I've seen it enough at the Counting House to know I'm better off pissing the 10er up the wall
foxes_rule1978 Posted 17 February 2014 Posted 17 February 2014 It is all about money, domestic cup competitions especially for the top clubs doesn't bring the money in. Teams would rather qualify for the CL or even Europa League than win the FA Cup. It wasn't always like that, the FA Cup use to be the pinnacle of football cup competitions, it is quickly losing importance and something needs to change. The PL and CL are now the only competitions that matter to most.
Voll Blau Posted 18 February 2014 Posted 18 February 2014 It'll simply never lose its buzz for me. Even when Leicester are out I look forward to the draw. It's disgusting how it's not the highlight of the season for every English football fan any more though.
Matt Posted 18 February 2014 Posted 18 February 2014 Since we lost to Wycombe i'd say. Dunno why, but if I remember back it seemed to be around that time. Like most things for me back in the 90's (I realise we lost to Wycombe in 2001?) seemed alot better.
Nick Posted 20 February 2014 Posted 20 February 2014 But they don't. Southampton won't be in Europe and they won't go down - yet they still put out a weakened team. The majority of clubs see it as a distraction because there's no money in it. Throw money at anything (no matter how shit it is) and it's successful in football. It's absolute shit. I see your point and you are right but I was answering the question of why it loses it's buzz for me as a Leicester fan rather than as an overall competition. Apart from Leicester I don't watch a lot of other teams play.
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