indierich06 Posted 4 March 2014 Posted 4 March 2014 I get your point but none of those really play anymore! I didn't give a crap about those lot, but at least they had some discernible talent. Now it seems any Englishman with a pulse and a contract at a Premier League club can get a game.
TheStig Posted 4 March 2014 Posted 4 March 2014 Olsen has just said prior to this game that the battle for the goalkeeper spot is 'wide open'. Already during the WC qualifying campaign he reiterated that the goalies he had at his disposal were at a very similar level (which I don't really think you can argue against). You also seem to forget that Kasper played our final game against Malta. I do not know where you have this 'most Danes think' Kasper is the best keeper. I'd be very surprised if more than a select minority have actually watched any of his games for Leicester. Stephan Andersen has been an apt servant to the national team and IMO outperformed Sørensen, our undisputable #1 at the time, during the qualifiers for Euro 2012. It's Andersens consistent and reliable performances along with his many years of experience in and around the national team that means he's been Olsens preferred choice. A decision I for one fully understand and support. The situation has changed now with Andersen not getting any playing time in either Evian or Betis and thus ending up at a poor Dutch club, which will only pave the way for Schmeichel whom Olsen OBVIOUSLY sees as the long-term solution. Sørensen retired from the national team after the Euros in 2012. Lindegaard is constantly injured and is now definitely out of the picture in Manchester. Those are the conditions of the Danish national team. I don't see how you can argue with the selection of Bendtner, (if this is indeed what you do). His record for the national team is just superb. Not only that, but his absence/quarantine (which Olsen imposed himself, remember?) highlighted how DESPERATELY short we are of quality strikers. The only one coming anywhere near his level was rookie Cornelius, who subsequently got injured for a long spell and more recently flopped totally at Cardiff. Bendtner gets recalled and hey presto, on his first appearance he scores two world-class headers against Italy and puts us within a whisker of the playoffs. I'm getting very tired of defending Olsen in my home country. I can understand some of the frustrations people have with him, he's not perfect. But I strongly argue that he gets the overwhelming majority of his calls right. Danish football fans just seem to have unrealistic expectations when it comes to the national team. Something about that rings quite familiar.... You are actually missing the point - or maybe I didn´t make my stand quite clear. To keep the debate on track lets leave out Mr. Olsen - you know the guy you are tired of defending... I do not have any unrealistic expectations to the national team - I have no expectations at all since they have been playing absolutely terrible and unattractive football for at long time. Mr. Arsenal was actually meant as an example. My primary point was that Olsen very often has stuck to the "old guard" irrespective of whether they have been playing or getting splinters in their back-side, and this is my point in thinking that he will NOT use Kasper.
Mickey O'Neil Posted 4 March 2014 Posted 4 March 2014 Very easy for me!!! Come on Kasper! Hope Denmark stuff them (won't happen in reality)
Fox Ulike Posted 4 March 2014 Posted 4 March 2014 I get your point but none of those really play anymore! Well, Cole and Lampard are both in the squad for tomorrow. Indierich, To be fair to Hodgson I think that he's trying to build a squad without 'Superstars'. One of the problems we have always had is that big-name England players always get picked well after they have gone to seed. Owen, Beckham, now Lampard... Wayne Rooney was absolutely awful in all four of England's games in the 2010 World Cup - but he still got picked for all four... even though he clearly couldn't give a f**k and was in a mood cos he was played out of his favourite position... It's this sort of thing that really turns me off England. This has always happened, going right back to 1990 and a 40-year old half-decrepid Peter Shilton flapping the Germany goal into the back of his net. Whilst a 26 year old David Seaman, in his prime, sat on the bench. What England needs is a new crop of players who actually look like they want to win the World Cup - rather than looking like they are trying to pick up new endorsements. In a way it's very similar to the difference in LCFC under Sven (big name stars = big time FAIL); and Pearson (strong squad ethic = success). Until this mentality changes, England will always under-achieve, and fans will stop caring.
ealingfox Posted 4 March 2014 Posted 4 March 2014 Don't think he'll play unfortunately though I did think Andersen was playing at a higher level than Go Ahead Eagles.
shen Posted 4 March 2014 Posted 4 March 2014 You are actually missing the point - or maybe I didn´t make my stand quite clear. To keep the debate on track lets leave out Mr. Olsen - you know the guy you are tired of defending... I do not have any unrealistic expectations to the national team - I have no expectations at all since they have been playing absolutely terrible and unattractive football for at long time. Mr. Arsenal was actually meant as an example. My primary point was that Olsen very often has stuck to the "old guard" irrespective of whether they have been playing or getting splinters in their back-side, and this is my point in thinking that he will NOT use Kasper. It's difficult to keep Olsen out of it, since this very much revolves around Olsen. But have it your way, I'll keep the Olsen stuff in the ***paragraphs below if you're interested. Regarding Kasper, I will re-iterate what I said in my first post. Olsen has already said that the battle is completely open, and that he doesn't see Andersen as a long-term answer. He picked Kasper for the last game against Malta. EVERYTHING points to Kasper being the first choice sooner rather than later. I will also argue that while Olsen has had a habit of picking players that know the team and system well, and persisting with them, he has simultaneously experimented A LOT with new and young players. How many different players did we use to qualify for the 2010 WC and 2012 EC? Was it something like 27 for the former??? The stats were ridiculous. We couldn't play the same defences let alone the same sides for two matches straight because of injuries/suspensions. Just look at those qualifying campaigns and the players involved and tell me Olsen doesn't give young players a chance: Peter Ankersen, Christian Eriksen, Nicolai Boilesen, Andreas Cornelius, Emil Larsen, Jores Okore, Nicklas Helenius, Martin Braithwaite, Viktor Fischer, Andreas Bjelland, Rasmus Falk, Mathias Zanka Jørgensen, Nicolai Jørgensen, Kasper Kusk, Simon Kjær, Simon Makienok, Thomas Delaney... And those are just off the top of my head! ***Yes, there have been times when Olsen has stuck to trusted players for a bit too long (my prime example being Tomasson, with a disastrous WC 2010). But any manager will face player selection questions, particularly when players are regarded as 'past their best'. I would argue that Rommedahl, so often the scapegoat, continued to be an asset until shortly before his international retirement. He's been one of the most consistent players in the team, and despite having a very iffy club career post-PSV, he's always been fit and always fit well into Olsens system. The attractiveness of the national side's playstyle is very much a subjective thing. You could argue that the Danish side that won the Euro in 1992 were terrible and unattractive too, yet fortunately we had two outstanding players in Brian Laudrup and Schmeichel. Olsen is limited to the talent at his disposal. Bar Agger and Eriksen, there has been very little talent over the past 10 years that has stood out. In fact, many would probably (rightly) argue that Eriksen has not proved anything yet at international level, while Agger, undeniably our biggest talent since Schmeichel and Laudrup Bros. retired, has been marred by injuries. Despite this, we have been playing infinitely better, more effective AND attractive than anything post-Piontek (in my opinion). Remember Bosse? Talk about uninspiring football!! Could Denmark be playing 'more attractive' football with a new coach like Ståle Solbakken (hardly an advocate of attractive football), Kasper Hjulmand (lacking pedigree, but has potential) or even Michael Laudrup? Possibly, but it's blatantly obvious that the latter did not want the job the last two times Olsen renewed his contract, and the former two would be massive risks. Do you agree with this?***
shen Posted 4 March 2014 Posted 4 March 2014 Don't think he'll play unfortunately though I did think Andersen was playing at a higher level than Go Ahead Eagles. He's been loaned out by Real Betis as he's not first choice there. Which, considering their position in the table and Andersen's few performances for them, seems a baffling decision.
VinceNoir Posted 4 March 2014 Posted 4 March 2014 Olsen has just said that Kasper will start tomorrow.
shen Posted 4 March 2014 Posted 4 March 2014 Olsen has just said that Kasper will start tomorrow. That settled it then.
TheStig Posted 4 March 2014 Posted 4 March 2014 That settled it then. Olsen has just said that Kasper will start tomorrow. I rest my case! good discussion anyway!!
LCCFox96 Posted 5 March 2014 Posted 5 March 2014 Good experience of playing at Wembley for Kasper. Hope he plays well. I don't think it matters if a good performance stirs up attention as I'd like to think if we went up he'd stay anyway. Hope England absolutely murder them but Kasper puts in a MOTM display. Best case scenario. Fantastic outfield play with numerous chances but Kasper keeps it at 1-0.
shen Posted 5 March 2014 Posted 5 March 2014 I doubt he's going to stir up much more attention in the UK. Clubs will already know him from his time at Man City/Leeds and will definitely have noticed him after last seasons/this seasons performances with us. He might sway Olsen, the Danish public and media though.
Jakemoore Posted 5 March 2014 Posted 5 March 2014 I'm English so I want england to win everything. This attitude that we don't support england because they're a let down doesn't really sit with me. I think we have to keep the faith and something good will come at some point. Surely!
Corky Posted 5 March 2014 Posted 5 March 2014 How many times will he hit the corporate section with his goal kicks?
Leicester Bean Posted 5 March 2014 Posted 5 March 2014 Just had an interview on SSN. Played down AC Milan talk and just spoke about how he's concentrating on Leicester. Spoke about how well we're doing and that we're building a good platform etc.
Langley Posted 5 March 2014 Posted 5 March 2014 For me I think that it's going to be a good test for next season. The fact that he's going to be facing bascially a premier league 11. It will be good to see him play against them. Tonight I have to say that I'm a denmark fan. For me there is no question regarding club vs country. City winning the FA cup or England the world cup - City all the way.
Cotts Posted 5 March 2014 Posted 5 March 2014 "Tonight I have to say that I'm a denmark fan. For me there is no question regarding club vs country. City winning the FA cup or England the world cup - City all the way." I don't quite get this view, I definitely agree with the latter part. But why would you support Denmark tonight? Surely Kasper having a great game and England winning would be the perfect outcome?
shen Posted 5 March 2014 Posted 5 March 2014 I have to agree with Langley. I'm going to be a Denmark fan tonight, and hopefully Kasper will have a stormer
Dan Posted 5 March 2014 Posted 5 March 2014 Well, Cole and Lampard are both in the squad for tomorrow. Indierich, To be fair to Hodgson I think that he's trying to build a squad without 'Superstars'. One of the problems we have always had is that big-name England players always get picked well after they have gone to seed. Owen, Beckham, now Lampard... Wayne Rooney was absolutely awful in all four of England's games in the 2010 World Cup - but he still got picked for all four... even though he clearly couldn't give a f**k and was in a mood cos he was played out of his favourite position... It's this sort of thing that really turns me off England. This has always happened, going right back to 1990 and a 40-year old half-decrepid Peter Shilton flapping the Germany goal into the back of his net. Whilst a 26 year old David Seaman, in his prime, sat on the bench. What England needs is a new crop of players who actually look like they want to win the World Cup - rather than looking like they are trying to pick up new endorsements. In a way it's very similar to the difference in LCFC under Sven (big name stars = big time FAIL); and Pearson (strong squad ethic = success). Until this mentality changes, England will always under-achieve, and fans will stop caring. Don't expect this to happen seeing as you don't get as much money for winning a World Cup as you do for playing in the 'Champions' League
ealingfox Posted 5 March 2014 Posted 5 March 2014 What is this 'I'd rather City won the FA Cup than England win the World Cup' rubbish? You know you're allowed to want both things to happen right? One isn't going to come at the expense of the other.
Brainy Posted 5 March 2014 Posted 5 March 2014 I really do hate this whole "they dont even care" bollocks
Dan Posted 5 March 2014 Posted 5 March 2014 I really do hate this whole "they dont even care" bollocks I wouldn't go as far as saying they don't care, but they don't see it as a priority in my opinion and that's why I struggle to feel anywhere near as much for international football as I do for club.
Xen Posted 5 March 2014 Posted 5 March 2014 "Tonight I have to say that I'm a denmark fan. For me there is no question regarding club vs country. City winning the FA cup or England the world cup - City all the way." I don't quite get this view, I definitely agree with the latter part. But why would you support Denmark tonight? Surely Kasper having a great game and England winning would be the perfect outcome? Exactly what I'm hoping for - England to be going all-out and only kept from going in front by Kaspar having a fantastic game, until the last 10 minutes when we score an unstoppable goal and go on to win 1-0. Gives England a win and something to celebrate, and Kaspar still gets the plaudits for Denmark.
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