MooseBreath Posted 3 April 2014 Posted 3 April 2014 Spot on, We have spent far more time in the lower league during our history. For us to remain in the Premiership, should we get there, will be an extremely daunting task, make no mistake about that! We have spent much more time in the lower divisions It's about 60/40 percentage-wise but that's only because we spent all but one of our first 30 years in the 2nd tier. Since the mid 1920s we've been in the top tier about 65% of the time. If we're talking 1970s onwards then it's about 50/50. This has been our longest spell outside the top flight since a run that started in 1908 and the current spell contained our worst ever league finish. Let's not pretend that the last ten years has been normal fare for leicester city because that would be a lie. Historically we do belong in the premiership for at least four years out of every ten.
Maybes Posted 3 April 2014 Posted 3 April 2014 I agree. Long gone are the MON days when we were comfortable a solid prem side. Like the OP said, we have been a second tier club for quite some time. Let's just hope this is more than a one year tour!!
Harry - LCFC Posted 3 April 2014 Posted 3 April 2014 I've always seen us as a big Championship club. No way would I say we 'belong' in the top division, I don't think you can claim that if you've not spent a good majority of your time up there which we haven't. More accurate to say that we have bigger aspirations than most and ones we're more able to achieve than others.
Kitchandro Posted 3 April 2014 Posted 3 April 2014 Spot on, We have spent far more time in the lower league during our history. For us to remain in the Premiership, should we get there, will be an extremely daunting task, make no mistake about that! We have spent much more time in the lower divisions Erm. We're not Cardiff or Blackpool. We've not spent 'far more time in the lower divisions'. The fact you said it twice makes you sound like a Forest fan or something. Stop undermining your club which is has tried desperately to stop people like you being negative about it, and yet you still find a reason to disrespect us. Firslty, the 'lower divisions' are generally considered to be league 1 and league 2. Which we've spent a grand total of 1 year out of 130 in. Secondly, yes we've spent more years in the 2nd tier than the first, but hardly 'far more'. It's marginal. I think the difference is about 10 years, like the last 10 which have been well out of character, or like Moosey says, the early period in our history. We've regularly had spells in the top flight since you started supporting us. I can't believe you continue to have posting rights on this forum, frankly, with the tripe you come out with.
Kitchandro Posted 3 April 2014 Posted 3 April 2014 These are phrases I have heard a lot recently and they really annoy me.The reason we have been in the championship for ten years is because our football has been of championship quality- no way have we belonged in the premiership for ten years, we have belonged to the championship by right.. We have been no where good enough for the prem. Our quality of play and results alone decided where we belong.Next year we have EARNED THE RIGHT to play in the premier league by some amazing results and great football brought about by sheer hard work by Nige and his team and some bloody hard work on the pitch by the lads. But for us stay there, we'll need to earn the right next season.rant over. Talk about being awkward and negative for the sake of it. It's very simple, something very simple that you, for some reason, haven't been able to grasp. People say we belong in the Premiership not because our team is always good (who's is?) but because our club is in the top 20. As in, we have a fanbase that should be rewarded with top flight football regularly, if not quite indefinitely. We certainly belong there more than your Boltons, Fulhams, Hulls etc. And now we're about to earn the right to be back where we belong, so I'm not quite sure what your problem is.
Corky Posted 3 April 2014 Posted 3 April 2014 Spot on, We have spent far more time in the lower league during our history. For us to remain in the Premiership, should we get there, will be an extremely daunting task, make no mistake about that! We have spent much more time in the lower divisions No we haven't, we've spent one year outside the top two divisions (generally considered the lower divisions), only 8 or so clubs have spent all their time inside the top two divisions. We have mostly been a second tier club with spells in the top flight. You make it sound like we are Rochdale or Swindon playing well above our natural level, rather than this position (in a promotion place, a promotion we've won 12 times) being roughly where we've spent a lot of time.
MPH Posted 3 April 2014 Author Posted 3 April 2014 Talk about being awkward and negative for the sake of it. It's very simple, something very simple that you, for some reason, haven't been able to grasp. People say we belong in the Premiership not because our team is always good (who's is?) but because our club is in the top 20. As in, we have a fanbase that should be rewarded with top flight football regularly, if not quite indefinitely. We certainly belong there more than your Boltons, Fulhams, Hulls etc. And now we're about to earn the right to be back where we belong, so I'm not quite sure what your problem is. We have a big fan base because we are in a fairly big city. Not because we are anything special with some Devine right to be in the prem... This year we have earned the right to be there because we have consistently been the better team. What's so hard for you to understand?
ceredigion Posted 3 April 2014 Posted 3 April 2014 I've always thought we'd have a lot more self-esteem about our club if we'd managed to win the league championship or the FA Cup at some point in our history, even if it had been 90 years ago beyond living memory.We only came close once in the 1920s to being Champions. We'll never win the league now along with all the other teams outside the top six. But at least that means that teams like Forest, Derby and Wolves will never win it again either, so every cloud etc. Realistically we need to accept that our natural element is somewhere between 12th in the PL and 12th in the Championship, Anything outside that is defying gravity. Even though we've had one of our best seasons in the 2nd tier, if not our best let's wait and see, we shouldn't get delusions of grandeur. The PL hasn't been waiting impatiently for the last 10 years for us to come back There have been lots of clubs who have gone up to the PL in the last 20 years - Blackpool, Burnley, Hull, Wigan, Barnsley, Fulham, Swindon, Bolton, Portsmouth, Stoke, Oldham, Charlton, Watford, Reading, Cardiff, Swanseaetc. None are what you'd call natural top-flight teams, but once they get there, their fans seem to think they've got a divine right to stay there for ever. When we get there that will be great and make the most of it, but sooner or later we know we'll go back down and the struggle will begin again. It's almost Darwinian.
The Horse's Mouth Posted 3 April 2014 Posted 3 April 2014 I think I'll miss this league though, but this promotion is long overdue we've starved for long enough
veezeeblue Posted 4 April 2014 Posted 4 April 2014 Actually we rank 25th in the history of English football leagues and 18th all time in the Cups, On average that makes give us "best club" position 21.5 overall. We rank 22nd in the Premier which means we have finished 2 spots below the Premier´s 20 slots or in other words in automatic promotion slot, I therefore conclude the following : The Premier is "Where we belong". "Our rightful home" So FOAD !
ozleicester Posted 4 April 2014 Posted 4 April 2014 Leicester City is Comin home! \http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GarvTZiESLU Dont miss the Radiators other classics... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lY_km7J2s4
deejdeej Posted 4 April 2014 Posted 4 April 2014 I agree with the OP, its hardly being negative either about the club, just certain clichés from our fans. A few clubs fans say such things and in turn call other clubs tinpot and make out they shouldn't be there eg Fulham, Blackpool and Wigan Etc. Leeds fans seem to exaggerate where they 'should' be more than most. Next year we'll be where we deserve to be, not where we belong.
reynard Posted 4 April 2014 Posted 4 April 2014 Talk about being awkward and negative for the sake of it. It's very simple, something very simple that you, for some reason, haven't been able to grasp. People say we belong in the Premiership not because our team is always good (who's is?) but because our club is in the top 20. As in, we have a fanbase that should be rewarded with top flight football regularly, if not quite indefinitely. We certainly belong there more than your Boltons, Fulhams, Hulls etc. And now we're about to earn the right to be back where we belong, so I'm not quite sure what your problem is. Sorry we no more belong there than any other club. Neither does any of the top teams. Sides are there because they have earned the right to play in that league. The size of a club's fanbase has nothing to do with it. This isn't being negative. If we manage to stay in the Premier league for as long as Fulham have then we will have done very well indeed.
reynard Posted 4 April 2014 Posted 4 April 2014 I've always thought we'd have a lot more self-esteem about our club if we'd managed to win the league championship or the FA Cup at some point in our history, even if it had been 90 years ago beyond living memory.We only came close once in the 1920s to being Champions. We'll never win the league now along with all the other teams outside the top six. But at least that means that teams like Forest, Derby and Wolves will never win it again either, so every cloud etc. Realistically we need to accept that our natural element is somewhere between 12th in the PL and 12th in the Championship, Anything outside that is defying gravity. Even though we've had one of our best seasons in the 2nd tier, if not our best let's wait and see, we shouldn't get delusions of grandeur. The PL hasn't been waiting impatiently for the last 10 years for us to come back There have been lots of clubs who have gone up to the PL in the last 20 years - Blackpool, Burnley, Hull, Wigan, Barnsley, Fulham, Swindon, Bolton, Portsmouth, Stoke, Oldham, Charlton, Watford, Reading, Cardiff, Swanseaetc. None are what you'd call natural top-flight teams, but once they get there, their fans seem to think they've got a divine right to stay there for ever. When we get there that will be great and make the most of it, but sooner or later we know we'll go back down and the struggle will begin again. It's almost Darwinian. Some good points here. However, I would be delighted if a club like us, Forest or Derby could win the Premier League. As you say though it is now virtually impossible and this for me is a major flaw in the English game. The Premier League as a competition is boring. The same few sides are the only ones that can win it year in year out. Don't get me wrong I'm looking forward to seeing how we get on but the aspirations of clubs of our size that we might finish as high as 12th are not very inspiring in the long term. For young supporters of football where are their dreams? A kid in Leicester can have no dreams of us ever winning the league and for many clubs the cup competitions are treated poorly because of the need to stay in the Premier league.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 4 April 2014 Posted 4 April 2014 Erm. We're not Cardiff or Blackpool. We've not spent 'far more time in the lower divisions'. The fact you said it twice makes you sound like a Forest fan or something. Stop undermining your club which is has tried desperately to stop people like you being negative about it, and yet you still find a reason to disrespect us. Firslty, the 'lower divisions' are generally considered to be league 1 and league 2. Which we've spent a grand total of 1 year out of 130 in. Secondly, yes we've spent more years in the 2nd tier than the first, but hardly 'far more'. It's marginal. I think the difference is about 10 years, like the last 10 which have been well out of character, or like Moosey says, the early period in our history. We've regularly had spells in the top flight since you started supporting us. I can't believe you continue to have posting rights on this forum, frankly, with the tripe you come out with. I don't think you understand English. Where have I shown "disrespect" I've followed this club through thick and thin for over half a century, It is 4 years in every ten since the club was formed, that we have been in the top division, as "Moosy" says, so that proves my point. When it comes to posting "tripe", try re- reading some of your own pathetic little posts. Sort yourself out you childish little oink!
MC Prussian Posted 4 April 2014 Posted 4 April 2014 Erm. We're not Cardiff or Blackpool. We've not spent 'far more time in the lower divisions'. The fact you said it twice makes you sound like a Forest fan or something. Stop undermining your club which is has tried desperately to stop people like you being negative about it, and yet you still find a reason to disrespect us. Firslty, the 'lower divisions' are generally considered to be league 1 and league 2. Which we've spent a grand total of 1 year out of 130 in. Secondly, yes we've spent more years in the 2nd tier than the first, but hardly 'far more'. It's marginal. I think the difference is about 10 years, like the last 10 which have been well out of character, or like Moosey says, the early period in our history. We've regularly had spells in the top flight since you started supporting us. I can't believe you continue to have posting rights on this forum, frankly, with the tripe you come out with. He said "lower league" as the singular, hence he is right. For the majority of our history, we've never been a top-flight club (albeit the margin is rather minimal). I don't see what's negative about it. It's the truth. Personally, with the great run we're on right now, I can already see some people getting slightly carried away with the prospect of another Premier League season. We've got to earn the right to go up first and then earn the right to remain in that league. If we cannot establish something longer-lasting this time around, we'll return to where we usually have been in the past - in the second division.
veezeeblue Posted 4 April 2014 Posted 4 April 2014 He said "lower league" as the singular, hence he is right. For the majority of our history, we've never been a top-flight club (albeit the margin is rather minimal). I don't see what's negative about it. It's the truth. Personally, with the great run we're on right now, I can already see some people getting slightly carried away with the prospect of another Premier League season. We've got to earn the right to go up first and then earn the right to remain in that league. If we cannot establish something longer-lasting this time around, we'll return to where we usually have been in the past - in the second division. so you dont think we´re up yet , what u waitin for Vardy´s invite ?
Kitchandro Posted 4 April 2014 Posted 4 April 2014 We have a big fan base because we are in a fairly big city. Not because we are anything special with some Devine right to be in the prem... This year we have earned the right to be there because we have consistently been the better team. What's so hard for you to understand? We have a big fanbase because we are a big club, no matter the reasoning behind it. Do Man Utd just have a big fanbase because they're in a big City? Do Charlton have a big fanbase because they're based in London? Stop talking a load of shit.
Kitchandro Posted 4 April 2014 Posted 4 April 2014 He said "lower league" as the singular, hence he is right. For the majority of our history, we've never been a top-flight club (albeit the margin is rather minimal). I don't see what's negative about it. It's the truth. Personally, with the great run we're on right now, I can already see some people getting slightly carried away with the prospect of another Premier League season. We've got to earn the right to go up first and then earn the right to remain in that league. If we cannot establish something longer-lasting this time around, we'll return to where we usually have been in the past - in the second division. No, it was plural. 'lower divisions'. Read it again. It doesn't matter because it's not correct anyway. 'Far more years' is wrong. It's a marginal difference. We hardly belong in the 2nd tier anymore than the Premiership. The only real decisive factor is that we've a fanbase that belongs in the Premiership. I wouldn't try defending DT, it just makes you look silly. The man is indefensible and a disgrace to the forum.
veezeeblue Posted 4 April 2014 Posted 4 April 2014 No, it was plural. 'lower divisions'. Read it again. It doesn't matter because it's not correct anyway. 'Far more years' is wrong. It's a marginal difference. We hardly belong in the 2nd tier anymore than the Premiership. The only real decisive factor is that we've a fanbase that belongs in the Premiership. I wouldn't try defending DT, it just makes you look silly. The man is indefensible and a disgrace to the forum. and obviously not a leicester fan or a statistician ! snort !
MC Prussian Posted 5 April 2014 Posted 5 April 2014 No, it was plural. 'lower divisions'. Read it again. It doesn't matter because it's not correct anyway. 'Far more years' is wrong. It's a marginal difference. We hardly belong in the 2nd tier anymore than the Premiership. The only real decisive factor is that we've a fanbase that belongs in the Premiership. I wouldn't try defending DT, it just makes you look silly. The man is indefensible and a disgrace to the forum. I think you need some specs, Kitch. DT said: "We have spent far more time in the lower league during our history." Which is correct. We may argue about the "far more time", but in essence, he is right: Since 1894 and the period of the two World Wars excluded, we've spent 60 years in the second tier, 46 years in the first tier and one year in the third division (our League one campaign). What he meant with his second, unfinished sentence, I can but assume. You'll have to ask DT about that. Also, it'd help if you stopped having a dig at me just because I'm agreeing with DT for once.
MC Prussian Posted 5 April 2014 Posted 5 April 2014 We have a big fanbase because we are a big club, no matter the reasoning behind it. Do Man Utd just have a big fanbase because they're in a big City? Do Charlton have a big fanbase because they're based in London? Stop talking a load of shit. Careful with the high horse attitude, Kitch. We all know being a Leicester City FC fan this season has been a revelation - whether we truly are a "big" club, remains to be seen in the years to come. One great season doesn't represent the fanbase on the whole, you know. I hope this cocky attitude won't bite anybody in their respective behind. We have to officially gain promotion first and then make sure we can maintain top-flight level. Because otherwise, we'll just go straight down again, being some kind of a laughing stock for the rest of the footballing world. Who outside of Leicester considers our club being "big" really? How many away fans shudder with fear when they hear our name? Truth is, for most Premier League clubs, Leicester are somewhere there in the middle of the map and a (yet) unknown quantity. No one really hates us, no one really loves us. No one cares about Leicester apart from ourselves. It's okay. We should take pride in that. Our attendances have stabilized themselves a bit in the past few months. Prior to this season, we were looking at 22'000 to 23'000 on average (if we were lucky). And the numbers would've gone even further down had we remained in this mediocre state that we had found ourselves in in between 2004 and 2008 in particular. Impending promotion has attracted another 5'000 to 7'000 more new or returning fans, adding an average of maybe 1'000 to 1'500 plus per game in the best case. Our support can be big at times, but first we need to maintain high gates on a constant basis before we can officially claim that we're "big".
veezeeblue Posted 5 April 2014 Posted 5 April 2014 I think you need some specs, Kitch. DT said: "We have spent far more time in the lower league during our history." Which is correct. We may argue about the "far more time", but in essence, he is right: Since 1894 and the period of the two World Wars excluded, we've spent 60 years in the second tier, 39 years in the first tier and one year in the third division (our League one campaign). What he meant with his second, unfinished sentence, I can but assume. You'll have to ask DT about that. Also, it'd help if you stopped having a dig at me just because I'm agreeing with DT for once. Actually it is 61 in 2nd tier and 47 in the 1st tier with 1 in the 3rd Thats 56¨% against 44% hardly supports your argument especially as we are 18th best in all cups history so eat crud
fuchsntf Posted 5 April 2014 Posted 5 April 2014 I've always thought we'd have a lot more self-esteem about our club if we'd managed to win the league championship or the FA Cup at some point in our history, even if it had been 90 years ago beyond living memory.We only came close once in the 1920s to being Champions. We'll never win the league now along with all the other teams outside the top six. But at least that means that teams like Forest, Derby and Wolves will never win it again either, so every cloud etc. Realistically we need to accept that our natural element is somewhere between 12th in the PL and 12th in the Championship, Anything outside that is defying gravity. Even though we've had one of our best seasons in the 2nd tier, if not our best let's wait and see, we shouldn't get delusions of grandeur. The PL hasn't been waiting impatiently for the last 10 years for us to come back There have been lots of clubs who have gone up to the PL in the last 20 years - Blackpool, Burnley, Hull, Wigan, Barnsley, Fulham, Swindon, Bolton, Portsmouth, Stoke, Oldham, Charlton, Watford, Reading, Cardiff, Swanseaetc. None are what you'd call natural top-flight teams, but once they get there, their fans seem to think they've got a divine right to stay there for ever. When we get there that will be great and make the most of it, but sooner or later we know we'll go back down and the struggle will begin again. It's almost Darwinian. No we have been near the old 1st division title a couple of times not just in the 20s.Really its not important because tradition and history, is where it belongs....in the past.It s now the future we aim for. But you are right nobody has devine right, success is now and, is there to be earnt.
veezeeblue Posted 5 April 2014 Posted 5 April 2014 http://www.myfootballfacts.com/Football_League_Stats.html just study this and work it out for yourselves
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