Guest Kopfkino Posted 23 May 2014 Posted 23 May 2014 Well as far as I'm concerned the local elections were only in England? What's your point?
lavrentis Posted 23 May 2014 Posted 23 May 2014 What's your point? The Scottish haven't voted in any local elections and the euro elections results aren't in yet and it shouldn't really matter if UKIP do well in England as the MEP's are only supposed to serve their constituency
Guest MattP Posted 23 May 2014 Posted 23 May 2014 The scots aren't at all fond of UKIP, it's seen as a little England party. They don't want to see UKIP do well The Scots see any remotly right wing party as a little England one. Although whisper it quietly, UKIP might have a Scottish MEP on Sunday....
leicsmac Posted 23 May 2014 Posted 23 May 2014 The Scots see any remotly right wing party as a little England one. Although whisper it quietly, UKIP might have a Scottish MEP on Sunday.... Substitute "Britain" for "England" there and it's pretty much the truth. They certainly want us to be isolationist on economic and political issues, anyhow. Do we really have the global power these days actually make that work? I'm not sure that we do.
Guest Kopfkino Posted 23 May 2014 Posted 23 May 2014 The Scots see any remotly right wing party as a little England one. Although whisper it quietly, UKIP might have a Scottish MEP on Sunday.... Correct they might take the tory seat. But if you take the voting intention figures, 60% of scots would vote in favour of staying the EU, with 20% saying don't know. Add in the fact that SNP, Labour and the Greens were set for over 70% of votes on that poll, it's clear that UKIP doesn't sit well with the scots. I'm sure they'll be sitting there looking at what's going on over the border and think they don't want to be a part of all this
Alf Bentley Posted 23 May 2014 Posted 23 May 2014 Disastrous night for Red Ed. Knives must be out for him. Couldn't even take Swindon council Very mixed set of results, with massive regional disparities. In London, Labour has been doing disproportionately well so far, and UKIP disproportionately badly. A UKIP spokesman has tweeted that they do badly there because "London is cultured, educated and young". Does that mean they're calling you uncultured, uneducated and old, Matt? Shocking ingratitude after all you've done for them! An impressive performance by UKIP - and I'd expect them to do even better in the Euro elections. However, if I were Farage looking ahead to 2015, I'd be a bit concerned about where they're polling particularly well: Essex, where the Tories are very dominant, and certain northern cities (Rotherham, Sunderland), where Labour are very dominant. In 2015, even if they maintained this level of support, they could be stacking up loads of votes in Lab/Con safe seats. To take seats in 2015, they probably need to be polling about 30% or more in seats where there is a sizeable vote for at least 2 of the traditional parties, so that they can come through the middle to win (as Caroline Lucas did in Brighton in 2010) without having to get 40%-50% of the votes. Basildon is one obvious place where they could do that, but I don't see many others. All depends on what happens in the next year, I suppose. UKIP will need to impress voters with policies in areas other than Europe and immigration (e.g. the economy, tax, public services) to do well in 2015. Will they manage that? Labour seems to be doing particularly badly in its heartlands. No great surprise, as all politics is focused on the middle ground now - and they haven't been effective in getting messages across on behalf of those who are really struggling. They're doing better in some of the marginals (Amber Valley, Nuneaton, Croydon). The UKIP effect seems to have damaged Labour in certain places - mainly white working-class/lower middle-class areas in the South (Thurrock, Swindon). Anyone's guess what will happen with that in 2015. Not many results announced yet for areas with a big ethnic minority population. Will be interesting to see what happens in places like Bradford, Burnley etc.
Itsthejoeker Posted 23 May 2014 Posted 23 May 2014 Glad the political/media elite campaign against UKIP hasn't worked. We'll see if Labour and the Tories realise that consistently shouting 'racist' doesn't make people vote for you. Disastrous night for Red Ed. Knives must be out for him. Couldn't even take Swindon council And what's the supposed to mean?!
Hirsty The Blue 94 Posted 23 May 2014 Posted 23 May 2014 Glad the political/media elite campaign against UKIP hasn't worked. We'll see if Labour and the Tories realise that consistently shouting 'racist' doesn't make people vote for you. Disastrous night for Red Ed. Knives must be out for him. Couldn't even take Swindon council In the sense that before these local elections they ran 0 councils, and so far still run zero council.
Guest MattP Posted 23 May 2014 Posted 23 May 2014 Correct they might take the tory seat. But if you take the voting intention figures, 60% of scots would vote in favour of staying the EU, with 20% saying don't know. Add in the fact that SNP, Labour and the Greens were set for over 70% of votes on that poll, it's clear that UKIP doesn't sit well with the scots. I'm sure they'll be sitting there looking at what's going on over the border and think they don't want to be a part of all this There is no 'Tory seat' - the European elections are won via PR, if they win a seat there they will have a achieved a fairly strong performance, I know all about how socialist Scotland is and don't need to see the polling figures, hopefully after September they will still be socialist and actually have to pay for it themselves, we'll see how long it remains that way then. May I be the first to say that all those Conservative and UKIP voting Scots are welcome south of the border as well who don't want to be a part of a independent Scotland being ran by Alec Salmond and his nationist party. Very mixed set of results, with massive regional disparities. In London, Labour has been doing disproportionately well so far, and UKIP disproportionately badly. A UKIP spokesman has tweeted that they do badly there because "London is cultured, educated and young". Does that mean they're calling you uncultured, uneducated and old, Matt? Shocking ingratitude after all you've done for them! An impressive performance by UKIP - and I'd expect them to do even better in the Euro elections. However, if I were Farage looking ahead to 2015, I'd be a bit concerned about where they're polling particularly well: Essex, where the Tories are very dominant, and certain northern cities (Rotherham, Sunderland), where Labour are very dominant. In 2015, even if they maintained this level of support, they could be stacking up loads of votes in Lab/Con safe seats. To take seats in 2015, they probably need to be polling about 30% or more in seats where there is a sizeable vote for at least 2 of the traditional parties, so that they can come through the middle to win (as Caroline Lucas did in Brighton in 2010) without having to get 40%-50% of the votes. Basildon is one obvious place where they could do that, but I don't see many others. All depends on what happens in the next year, I suppose. UKIP will need to impress voters with policies in areas other than Europe and immigration (e.g. the economy, tax, public services) to do well in 2015. Will they manage that? Labour seems to be doing particularly badly in its heartlands. No great surprise, as all politics is focused on the middle ground now - and they haven't been effective in getting messages across on behalf of those who are really struggling. They're doing better in some of the marginals (Amber Valley, Nuneaton, Croydon). The UKIP effect seems to have damaged Labour in certain places - mainly white working-class/lower middle-class areas in the South (Thurrock, Swindon). Anyone's guess what will happen with that in 2015. Not many results announced yet for areas with a big ethnic minority population. Will be interesting to see what happens in places like Bradford, Burnley etc. I've not seen that tweet, are you sure it wasn't tweeted with a hint of sarcasm? London should be a weak for UKIP mind, if you really want to live in London I wouldn't imagine you would vote for them, UKIP's biggest showing appears to be Essex which is the area where most of the traditional white English ex-Londoners have moved out too. Still not expecting anything from them in the general, maybe they'll find a seat for Farage, on the plus side, a huge vote share and little or no MP's would again show the absurdity of the first past the post system, we could literally be looking at a 15% vote across the nation and not having a single but of representation in Westminster. Labour now out to 2/1 for an overall majority. Longest it's been, can only get longer with Red Ed there. Please keep him for one more year. And what's the supposed to mean?! It was the top target, it was the reason they even sent Ed Miliband there for the week. Whoever holds Swindon going into the general history shows wins it. In the sense that before these local elections they ran 0 councils, and so far still run zero council. Well of course, when you go from a standing start you won;t be running councils, it's something you have to build on over 20-25 years.
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Itsthejoeker Posted 23 May 2014 Posted 23 May 2014 It was the top target, it was the reason they even sent Ed Miliband there for the week. Whoever holds Swindon going into the general history shows wins it. Not gonna lie, didn't even know Ed visited. I know this town well enough to know it's not going to turn red, pointless fight.
Guest MattP Posted 23 May 2014 Posted 23 May 2014 Not gonna lie, didn't even know Ed visited. I know this town well enough to know it's not going to turn red, pointless fight. It was as short as 2/7 with the bookies to do so last night! Here's his interview on Radio Swindon, classic stuff, had this been Farage it would have been plastered all over the news. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KukV_WzCjJs
Guest Kopfkino Posted 23 May 2014 Posted 23 May 2014 There is no 'Tory seat' - the European elections are won via PR, if they win a seat there they will have a achieved a fairly strong performance, I know all about how socialist Scotland is and don't need to see the polling figures, hopefully after September they will still be socialist and actually have to pay for it themselves, we'll see how long it remains that way then. May I be the first to say that all those Conservative and UKIP voting Scots are welcome south of the border as well who don't want to be a part of a independent Scotland being ran by Alec Salmond and his nationist party. Is it or is it not a seat in a parliament which is currently held by a conservative? To me that's a Tory seat. Looks like the SNP will get it anyway from early indications. You do like arguing about nothing to make yourself look right all the time. I won't understand the UKIP vote next year, no doubt their manifesto will be full of shite and the people who vote for them will be mainly ex Tory voters. So UKIP voters will likely take away the chance for the country to have a referendum on the EU. Oh and the bit about left wing scotland was directed at lavrentis but didn't bother quoting him.
Guest MattP Posted 23 May 2014 Posted 23 May 2014 Is it or is it not a seat in a parliament which is currently held by a conservative? To me that's a Tory seat. Looks like the SNP will get it anyway from early indications. You do like arguing about nothing to make yourself look right all the time. I won't understand the UKIP vote next year, no doubt their manifesto will be full of shite and the people who vote for them will be mainly ex Tory voters. So UKIP voters will likely take away the chance for the country to have a referendum on the EU. Oh and the bit about left wing scotland was directed at lavrentis but didn't bother quoting him. What are you going on about? The European seats are based on PR across the whole of the Scottish nation, the Tory seat in parliament isn;t up for grabs in this. The old myth that UKIP voters are all old Tories has vanished, they have taken half of Rotherham council and have been second most seats in the north. They arent all ex Tories.
Itsthejoeker Posted 23 May 2014 Posted 23 May 2014 It was as short as 2/7 with the bookies to do so last night! Here's his interview on Radio Swindon, classic stuff, had this been Farage it would have been plastered all over the news. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KukV_WzCjJs If I'd known the odds were that short i would have lumped on conservatives. I work all over the place and with so many different people, you can pretty much guess who votes for who, and as far as I'm concerned it's pretty conservative here. That interview is hilarious though, you'd have thought you'd get to know the key "battle" grounds a little better!
Guest Kopfkino Posted 23 May 2014 Posted 23 May 2014 What are you going on about? The European seats are based on PR across the whole of the Scottish nation, the Tory seat in parliament isn;t up for grabs in this. The old myth that UKIP voters are all old Tories has vanished, they have taken half of Rotherham council and have been second most seats in the north. They arent all ex Tories. Reading isn't your strong point. It is a seat in the European Parliament. It is therefore a Tory seat in a parliament which is exactly what I said. I don't care if it's all down to PR or notAgain I said the majority will be ex Tory. Granted I don't know the stats but I imagine they will take more votes off the Conservtives than any other single party
Alf Bentley Posted 23 May 2014 Posted 23 May 2014 London should be a weak for UKIP mind, if you really want to live in London I wouldn't imagine you would vote for them, UKIP's biggest showing appears to be Essex which is the area where most of the traditional white English ex-Londoners have moved out too. Still not expecting anything from them in the general, maybe they'll find a seat for Farage, on the plus side, a huge vote share and little or no MP's would again show the absurdity of the first past the post system, we could literally be looking at a 15% vote across the nation and not having a single but of representation in Westminster. Labour now out to 2/1 for an overall majority. Longest it's been, can only get longer with Red Ed there. Please keep him for one more year. It was the top target, it was the reason they even sent Ed Miliband there for the week. Whoever holds Swindon going into the general history shows wins it. Fact check: Swindon South is Labour's 56th target seat, Swindon North is 104th (1). If they took the former they'd be looking at an overall majority, the latter and they'd be looking at a landslide. Neither is likely. I'm not denying that it's a poor result - Lab should be able to win such councils in tough times against an incumbent govt...but could easily form a govt in 2015 without winning either seat. Lab won Swindon from the Tories when Thatcher won in 1979, while Lab only just hung on there in 2005. Big social change over the decades: was an industrial, Lab-voting train-building town until recent decades, but now increasingly inhabited by people on fairly high incomes commuting into London...becoming ever more Tory (2) (1) http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/2015guide/labourtargets/ (2) http://www.swindonweb.com/?m=2&s=1428&ss=0&c=7482 Agree with most of your other comments. What exactly have you got against London, though? Has its faults and problems but still a great place to live when you're young - or if you're either well-off or not interested in buying a property.
DennisNedry Posted 23 May 2014 Posted 23 May 2014 Surely UKIP did badly in London because it's full of foreigners? The areas where Londoners have moved to as a result yielded positive results for UKIP.
Guest MattP Posted 23 May 2014 Posted 23 May 2014 If I'd known the odds were that short i would have lumped on conservatives. I work all over the place and with so many different people, you can pretty much guess who votes for who, and as far as I'm concerned it's pretty conservative here. That interview is hilarious though, you'd have thought you'd get to know the key "battle" grounds a little better! The fact he thought a man he didn't know or what he job was in was "doing a good job" says it all for me. He is going to stuggle to hold down this cost of living line now as well after saying he feeds his family on £70 a week. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/10842953/Ed-Milibands-weekly-shopping-bill-Er...-70-More.html Reading isn't your strong point. It is a seat in the European Parliament. It is therefore a Tory seat in a parliament which is exactly what I said. I don't care if it's all down to PR or not Again I said the majority will be ex Tory. Granted I don't know the stats but I imagine they will take more votes off the Conservtives than any other single party According to Nicola Sturgeon it's a fight between the SNP and UKIP for the last Euro seat in Scotland. It's unfair to class that as a "Tory seat" given the way PR works. It;s nowhere near a majority, somewhere around 25-28% of UKIP votes come from the Tories according to Mori, most now seem to be people who haven't voted before. Agree with most of your other comments. What exactly have you got against London, though? Has its faults and problems but still a great place to live when you're young - or if you're either well-off or not interested in buying a property. Any place where people not only ignore each other but would rather look at the floor isnn't a place I like, it's rude and unfriendly. It has some lovely places in though and I'm off there in a couple of weeks.
Alf Bentley Posted 23 May 2014 Posted 23 May 2014 Surely UKIP did badly in London because it's full of foreigners? The areas where Londoners have moved to as a result yielded positive results for UKIP. I'm not sure what your point is. Do you mean that many London voters are foreigners (EU and Commonwealth citizens, presumably)? If so, why wouldn't they vote for a non-racist party like UKIP that simply wants a Europe of nation states and controlled immigration? Do you mean that where people are exposed to more foreigners, they're less likely to vote for a Little Englander party like UKIP? Do you mean that ex-Londoners moved out to Essex to avoid people of other races, and now vote UKIP? Why would they do that when UKIP is not a racist party?
Alf Bentley Posted 23 May 2014 Posted 23 May 2014 Any place where people not only ignore each other but would rather look at the floor isnn't a place I like, it's rude and unfriendly. It has some lovely places in though and I'm off there in a couple of weeks. Agree with you to some extent there. There's no such thing as queuing for buses, either, they just push in. A bit of a culture shock. I wonder if anyone's analysed how all the floor-staring and queue-barging began? I'm sure that Londoners can be friendly if you make the effort to speak to them, though when I lived there most of my friends came from other parts of the UK. Are you just going for a visit or a permanent move?
Guest MattP Posted 23 May 2014 Posted 23 May 2014 Agree with you to some extent there. There's no such thing as queuing for buses, either, they just push in. A bit of a culture shock. I wonder if anyone's analysed how all the floor-staring and queue-barging began? I'm sure that Londoners can be friendly if you make the effort to speak to them, though when I lived there most of my friends came from other parts of the UK. Are you just going for a visit or a permanent move? It's horrible, really is, I was up north a few weeks ago and yet again it brought home to me just how friendly the people are there compared to the ones down south. Of course, go into the pubs etc and it's far better. Just don't understand it, try and ask for directions in the street and you have no chance. First time I went down on my own was when I was 18 and needed to find the Sports Cafe, must have asked 50 people and all either shrugged or didn;t speak English. Left a lasting impression. A 4 day trip mate, going for my annual day at the Queens Club tennis and then Lords for the cricket after, tie that in with the World Cup at night and it should be a cracking bender.
Dr The Singh Posted 23 May 2014 Posted 23 May 2014 It's horrible, really is, I was up north a few weeks ago and yet again it brought home to me just how friendly the people are there compared to the ones down south. Of course, go into the pubs etc and it's far better. Just don't understand it, try and ask for directions in the street and you have no chance. First time I went down on my own was when I was 18 and needed to find the Sports Cafe, must have asked 50 people and all either shrugged or didn;t speak English. Left a lasting impression. A 4 day trip mate, going for my annual day at the Queens Club tennis and then Lords for the cricket after, tie that in with the World Cup at night and it should be a cracking bender. Where's mine, White Dee's and Ken's invitation??????
Guest MattP Posted 23 May 2014 Posted 23 May 2014 Where's mine, White Dee's and Ken's invitation?????? Ken has a private box at Wimbledon so no need for Queens for him. As for White Dee, the game us up, still claiming benefits while she was sinking pints in Magaluf, did she think she wouldn't be noticed http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2635961/Why-sad-White-Dee-Benefits-Street-star-looks-glum-Get-Well-Soon-flowers-shes-stripped-welfare-payouts-depression-party-trip-Majorca.html
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