Which Political Party Do You Side With?

[Dan]

Have little interest in politics and I don't like people forcing ther opinion on me, which is pretty much why my interest in politics is small.

 

I'm with you here big time.

 

Not something I know nearly enough about to make a properly informed view. Something I need to take a bit more interest in I think.

[Harry - LCFC]

Watched the English Democrats' broadcast yesterday. Awful. Six minutes of some crappy folk song that's supposed to make me feel patriotic alongside the same few messages being repeatedly held up. I know they aren't the biggest but it was so poorly done.

 

Anyone else have a good old chuckle at the absolute virgin on the BNP's party election broadcast just now?

 

Absolutely no way he'd turn down a nice Asian babe if she offered herself up to him.

 

Just watching it now.

 

Know exactly who you mean

 

Fvcking hell this is another shocking attempt. What is this music they're using?!

[Guest Kopfkino]

Has anyone seen their one that got banned? Actually makes me feel embarrassed to be British with some of the content

[Harry - LCFC]

Has anyone seen their one that got banned? Actually makes me feel embarrassed to be British with some of the content

 

Yep. The message was pretty clear, "Muslims are the problem and should be hated for it."

 

I'm in favour of reducing the influence of religion in society but to attack an entire social group so explicitly is deeply unpleasant.

[Strokes]

I guess your satire radar needs new batteries, Strokes.

Its not something I associate with Miliband.

[Buce]

Its not something I associate with Miliband.

Seriously? Read the piece again, this time with your brain engaged..

[Strokes]

Seriously? Read the piece again, this time with your brain engaged..

, I missed that. Ok

In my defence, I was at work when I read it. Nightmare

[Buce]

, I missed that. Ok

In my defence, I was at work when I read it. Nightmare

. Are you at work when you read UKIP's crap? It might explain your misguided voting intentions....

Now, about that re-education we discussed earlier...

[Strokes]

. Are you at work when you read UKIP's crap? It might explain your misguided voting intentions....

Now, about that re-education we discussed earlier...

I thought this hole would swallow me up, its quick sand and I can still hear you laughing

[Strokes]

Oh and just to add, fùck you matt for that bullshit article.

[Buce]

and I can still hear you laughing

Long and loud, mate.

[The Horse's Mouth]

Parties you side with...
76%Liberal Democrats

73%Conservatives

67%Scottish Nationals

66%Labour

59%Plaid Cymru

53%UK Independence

34%British Nationals

31%Green

[Strokes]

Can a mod please advise on what type of behaviour gets a thread deleted?

[Buce]

Can a mod please advise on what type of behaviour gets a thread deleted?

Deleted? It should be pinned.

[Guest MattP]

Watched the English Democrats' broadcast yesterday. Awful. Six minutes of some crappy folk song that's supposed to make me feel patriotic alongside the same few messages being repeatedly held up. I know they aren't the biggest

Did you watch the Labour party's?

It's been referred to as the worst political party broadcast of all time even by some of it's own members. It was an attack on Nick Clegg and didn't even mention anything about why you should vote for them.

Most political broadcasts are shit mind, designed to appeal to the masses rather than people who actually take an interest.

[Guest Kopfkino]

Did you watch the Labour party's?

It's been referred to as the worst political party broadcast of all time even by some of it's own members. It was an attack on Nick Clegg and didn't even mention anything about why you should vote for them.

Most political broadcasts are shit mind, designed to appeal to the masses rather than people who actually take an interest.

I read a good point the other day that mentioned the fact that nobody has won an election by attacking other people rather than setting out a positive vision since 1979 when Maggie(wasn't alive so not sure how true it is but from.what I know it seems pretty much correct). You can argue that Cameron did it lat time around but he didn't win a majority and so does it really count as a win. Yes and No.

So Labour have taken the decision to attack everyone else rather than set out a positive vision with some ideas put forward which both the Tories and UKIP have managed to do quite easily. Does anyone actually have a clue what Ed and Eddy have policy wise, what they would actually try to do? Labour would have stood a decent chance with David Milliband, it's strange how the unions that got Ed there in the first place are now being pushed away by him.

It will be criminal and quite possibly the beginning of the end for Cameron if he doesn't manage to secure a strong majority next year

[The Horse's Mouth]

The BNP's one is both hilarious and sad, I've got that "I'm voting BNP" thing stuck in my head so i guess it would have worked.

[leicsmac]

Hopefully Cameron will win in 2015 with an outright majority then hand over to Boris for 2020 

 

Even though Milibland is basically the political equivalent of a wet kipper I still can't see the Tories getting an overall majority barring a miracle from them or an utter disaster from Labour between now and 2015.

 

I've thought all along it'll be another hung parliament and I stand by that.

[The Doctor]

Watched the English Democrats' broadcast yesterday. Awful. Six minutes of some crappy folk song that's supposed to make me feel patriotic alongside the same few messages being repeatedly held up. I know they aren't the biggest but it was so poorly done.

 

 

Just watching it now.

 

Know exactly who you mean

 

Fvcking hell this is another shocking attempt. What is this music they're using?!

 

That's the "Fuck Wales" party isn't it? The one with the tagline "English, not British or European".

[Rincewind]

Saw something on the local news that made me smile. There is a local Midland by-election and one of the candidates is(I think0  Bus Pass Elvis. He is up against the MRLP though so tough competition on who comes last.

[Guest MattP]

I read a good point the other day that mentioned the fact that nobody has won an election by attacking other people rather than setting out a positive vision since 1979 when Maggie(wasn't alive so not sure how true it is but from.what I know it seems pretty much correct). You can argue that Cameron did it lat time around but he didn't win a majority and so does it really count as a win. Yes and No.

So Labour have taken the decision to attack everyone else rather than set out a positive vision with some ideas put forward which both the Tories and UKIP have managed to do quite easily. Does anyone actually have a clue what Ed and Eddy have policy wise, what they would actually try to do? Labour would have stood a decent chance with David Milliband, it's strange how the unions that got Ed there in the first place are now being pushed away by him.

It will be criminal and quite possibly the beginning of the end for Cameron if he doesn't manage to secure a strong majority next year

 

Overall maj for Cameron was an impossible job last time looking back, the private sector had been ravaged and Brown had put so many people on his payroll or made them totally dependent on a Labour government he was buying off about 30% of the country to vote for him, you had familes on 50k a year voting Labour so they wouldn't lose tax credits, it was bonkers.

 

All we know about Ed is he is going to freeze energy prices and then build millions of affordable new homes, expand the private sector whilst also expanding the public, give away free Iphones to all and then end third World poverty - all paid for a bankers bonus tax of course.

 

Here's the Labour ad for anyone who hasn't seen it. To attack Clegg is weird as well, maybe they have completely given up on the working class vote now and decided to go for the Lib Dem one?

 

 

The digs at David Cameron not knowing what NHS stands for are absolutely shameless as well given what he went through with his child and the fact he used the NHS for all his treatment.

[Finnaldo]

Overall maj for Cameron was an impossible job last time looking back, the private sector had been ravaged and Brown had put so many people on his payroll or made them totally dependent on a Labour government he was buying off about 30% of the country to vote for him, you had familes on 50k a year voting Labour so they wouldn't lose tax credits, it was bonkers.

All we know about Ed is he is going to freeze energy prices and then build millions of affordable new homes, expand the private sector whilst also expanding the public, give away free Iphones to all and then end third World poverty - all paid for a bankers bonus tax of course.

Here's the Labour ad for anyone who hasn't seen it. To attack Clegg is weird as well, maybe they have completely given up on the working class vote now and decided to go for the Lib Dem one?

The digs at David Cameron not knowing what NHS stands for are absolutely shameless as well given what he went through with his child and the fact he used the NHS for all his treatment.

Didn't the Lib Dem vote go extinct?

They had a good premise with the video, but sent out the wrong message for me. Releasing a video which is but a full on attack and with only a small mention at the end didn't actually make one reference as to how they would tackle.

They seem to be getting more and more desperate by the year, thank God. I've got my money on the Tories next year.

[Guest MattP]

Didn't the Lib Dem vote go extinct?

They had a good premise with the video, but sent out the wrong message for me. Releasing a video which is but a full on attack and with only a small mention at the end didn't actually make one reference as to how they would tackle.

They seem to be getting more and more desperate by the year, thank God. I've got my money on the Tories next year.

 

It's still out there somewhere, though I imagine most Lib Dems in reality are far too posh to vote Labour. (Though I suppose it also could never actually have been that big and it was just a protest vote for many)

 

I think leicsmac might be right, with the mistrust in main parites and voters turning to minority parties in their droves I think a hung parliament is highly for quite some time now.

 

Labour's class war politics and dirty mudslinging will only get worse if the economy continues to improve.

[Alf Bentley]

 

I think leicsmac might be right, with the mistrust in main parites and voters turning to minority parties in their droves I think a hung parliament is highly for quite some time now.

 

 

I had a quick look at Oddschecker for the bookies' odds for the general election:

http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-uk-general-election/overall-majority.

 

At this stage, they seem to be anticipating another hung parliament, with Labour more likely than the Tories to be the party with most seats....but aren't offering long odds on either party getting a majority. Very cautious.

 

They rate Farage's chances of winning a seat at better than 50%, with UKIP having a decent (but less than 50%) chance of winning 5 seats or even more (2-1 with Betfair). They give Caroline Lucas an evens chance of holding her Brighton seat, but the Greens little chance of winning more than 1 seat. They expect the Lib Dems to lose 20-25 of their 57 seats.

 

That sounds like a reasonable assessment as things stand. They're really hedging their bets by offering such short odds on either main party winning a majority and on UKIP winning 5+ seats, though - all unlikely scenarios, I think.

 

A lot could change in the next 12 months, though, not least the Scottish referendum. I'm now half-expecting the Scots to vote to leave, given the negativity of the "No" campaign. In the medium-term, Scottish independence would be disastrous for Labour, but in the short-term it certainly wouldn't be good for Cameron to be going into the general election as the man who oversaw the break-up of the UK!

[Guest MattP]

I had a quick look at Oddschecker for the bookies' odds for the general election:

http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-uk-general-election/overall-majority.

 

At this stage, they seem to be anticipating another hung parliament, with Labour more likely than the Tories to be the party with most seats....but aren't offering long odds on either party getting a majority. Very cautious.

 

They rate Farage's chances of winning a seat at better than 50%, with UKIP having a decent (but less than 50%) chance of winning 5 seats or even more (2-1 with Betfair). They give Caroline Lucas an evens chance of holding her Brighton seat, but the Greens little chance of winning more than 1 seat. They expect the Lib Dems to lose 20-25 of their 57 seats.

 

That sounds like a reasonable assessment as things stand. They're really hedging their bets by offering such short odds on either main party winning a majority and on UKIP winning 5+ seats, though - all unlikely scenarios, I think.

 

A lot could change in the next 12 months, though, not least the Scottish referendum. I'm now half-expecting the Scots to vote to leave, given the negativity of the "No" campaign. In the medium-term, Scottish independence would be disastrous for Labour, but in the short-term it certainly wouldn't be good for Cameron to be going into the general election as the man who oversaw the break-up of the UK!

 

Labour still expected to perform well in marginals aren't they? (I notice despite being outsiders Tores are odds on to achieve more votes as a whole) Those odds are quite startling for Miliband though given a Labour majority was actually odds on two years back and now as long as 15/8.

 

Do you think that would effect Cameron? I think it could have a positive effect short term, most people I speak to want the Scottish to go and even the ones who take a keen interest are actually quite apathetic when they come down to it, the attitude of "we give them everything and they still hate us" seems quite common now.

 

I think most people as well who weren't die hard Labour supporters wouldn't blame Cameron for the break up, for a start he happily he handed over the "no" campaign to Alistair Darling! And if you though the Yes vote couldn't get enough of a boost Gordon Brown is joining in with the "no" vote.

 

Despite his protestations I think Cameron is playing a shrewd game here, all he needs to do now is send Osborne and Gove up to campaign a week before the referendum and we might be in business and then we start on removing the Welsh.