England 2-2 Ecuador

[Guest MattP]

Any other sport the ref pulls them both together, tell thems to stop embarrassing themselves, behave like grown adults and get on with it.

 

Bit of a dippy tackle, a very girly throat grab. Poor stuff all round.

 

Two reds for that is just

[MooseBreath]

To be fair in a competitive game I think the ref handles that totally differently. Near the end of a friendly and silly shit like that going on, I think it was actually good refereeing to get them both off the pitch. It was less a punishment, more protecting the players from themselves and each other

[Grandad.]

To be fair in a competitive game I think the ref handles that totally differently. Near the end of a friendly and silly shit like that going on, I think it was actually good refereeing to get them both off the pitch. It was less a punishment, more protecting the players from themselves and each other

 

How is sending two players off for nothing, good refereeing? 

 

Bert, he's won the ball, simple as that. The linesman hasn't even given a foul. Struggle to see how you can understand the reaction. 

[MooseBreath]

How is sending two players off for nothing, good refereeing?

For the reason stated in my post that you just quoted.

Valencia had his hand around Sterling's neck so that's a soft but fair red. Imagine Sterling stays on, one of their players decides to give him a taste of his own medicine and puts him out of the world cup. How stupid would that have been in a completely meaningless warm up match? Better just to get them off the pitch for their own protection and for the protection of the other players.

[Harry - LCFC]

Personally I think if a challenge is worthy of a red card it shouldn't matter whether they get the ball or not - it's just outright dangerous play that should be punished even if the player happens to do no damage. If Sterling had got all of the ball with that tackle the commentators would've been saying what good challenge it was.

 

He isn't out of control, he isn't jumping in and his foot isn't that high. Booking.

 

 

To be fair in a competitive game I think the ref handles that totally differently. Near the end of a friendly and silly shit like that going on, I think it was actually good refereeing to get them both off the pitch. It was less a punishment, more protecting the players from themselves and each other

 

Doubt that was his intention though. You can tell how much he loved raising that card of his, couldn't miss out on the opportunity to do it twice in quick succession.

[Grandad.]

He isn't out of control, he isn't jumping in and his foot isn't that high. Booking.

 

It simply wasn't a foul. 

[Tincy]

1960s tackle not 2014, deserved the red in my opinion

[Grandad.]

1960s tackle not 2014, deserved the red in my opinion

 

Have you watched the video of the tackle? Seriously, go and watch the game properly, that is never a foul, a yellow card or a red card. 

[Harry - LCFC]

It simply wasn't a foul. 

 

We all complain when slight contact on a player is given as a foul so it's a bit double standards to say that any touch on the ball means the player hasn't fouled their opponent.

 

He didn't get enough of it IMO.

[Grandad.]

Whether he touches barely any of the ball is irrelevant, especially when he has made contact with the ball first before clipping that clowns leg. 

[Guest ttfn]

Whether he touches barely any of the ball is irrelevant, especially when he has made contact with the ball first before clipping that clowns leg.

Getting the ball doesn't automatically make a tackle ok.

He went in way too hard and there's no way he was in control of that tackle.

[AKCJ]

Whether he touches barely any of the ball is irrelevant, especially when he has made contact with the ball first before clipping that clowns leg. 

 

 

It's just a needless, over zealous, blood and thunder tackle that was totally out of the spirit of the game.

 

He's a tit for making the tackle, whether it deserved the card or not was irrelevant because it had potential to injure the lad.

[Bryn]

Up to three weeks for AOC.

[Bert]

How is sending two players off for nothing, good refereeing?

Bert, he's won the ball, simple as that. The linesman hasn't even given a foul. Struggle to see how you can understand the reaction.

Yes I know. You'll see I've said that.

But he still caught him with one leg and it was still a dangerous tackle. Regardless of whether he won the ball or not.....

There's been plenty of instances in the past where a player has won the ball but either a player has over reacted because of how the opposing player has gone in or the ref has deemed it dangerous.

Would you have defended Valencia in the same way had he gone in on Sterling in similar fashion?

[Grandad.]

Yes I know. You'll see I've said that.

But he still caught him with one leg and it was still a dangerous tackle. Regardless of whether he won the ball or not.....

There's been plenty of instances in the past where a player has won the ball but either a player has over reacted because of how the opposing player has gone in or the ref has deemed it dangerous.

Would you have defended Valencia in the same way had he gone in on Sterling in similar fashion?

 

Yeah I would actually, because I know Raheem wouldn't of reacted in the way Valencia did, just like I never came on here after the Peru tackle on Gerrard, slating him, its football, friendlies or not, you can't go into tackles half hearted. 

 

There was nothing wrong with the tackle, if Sterling had let Valencia carry on running down the wing I would of been pissed off, not for going into a tackle, winning the ball and catching his man (minimally). 

It's just a needless, over zealous, blood and thunder tackle that was totally out of the spirit of the game.

 

He's a tit for making the tackle, whether it deserved the card or not was irrelevant because it had potential to injure the lad.

 

That could be said for any given slide tackle then if you're going on the potential of an injury, sorry but that is a poor example. 

[Simmo86]

1960s tackle not 2014, deserved the red in my opinion

 

Can't work out if you're on a wind up or not?

 

Surely??

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

Up to three weeks for AOC.

 

That's a real shitter, he manages to change gears quicker than almost anybody we have. If still possible, could his place be given to a reserve player? I can't remember the few that made the standby list but I do recall there weren't any wingers - I'm probably wrong, mind.

[Simmo86]

It's just a needless, over zealous, blood and thunder tackle that was totally out of the spirit of the game.

 

He's a tit for making the tackle, whether it deserved the card or not was irrelevant because it had potential to injure the lad.

 

Jesus Christ, every tackle has the potential to injure someone.

 

Might aswell make it a non contact sport!

[Grandad.]

That's a real shitter, he manages to change gears quicker than almost anybody we have. If still possible, could his place be given to a reserve player? I can't remember the few that made the standby list but I do recall there weren't any wingers - I'm probably wrong, mind.

 

If we bring a replacement in, then I would expect it to be Stones, with Jones being classed as a midfielder. 

 

Doubt Roy would bring in Cleverley or Carrick with them not going to Portugal. 

[AKCJ]

That could be said for any given slide tackle then if you're going on the potential of an injury, sorry but that is a poor example. 

 

 

Jesus Christ, every tackle has the potential to injure someone.

 

Might aswell make it a non contact sport!

 

 

You both seem to be forgetting that it's a friendly. I'd agree with you if we were talking about a Premier League game between Liverpool and United but we're not.

 

There was zero need to go in like that a week before the world cup.

 

Yes, every slide tackle has the potential to injure and that's why slide tackles from behind are considered the most dangerous way to obtain the ball from an opponent. Especially when the tackler is out of control and running very quickly. 

 

In the Premier League I imagine that Valencia wouldn't have cared much, but because he's a week from one of the biggest months of his life he got worked up and understandably so.

 

You only have to look at Oxlade-Chamberlain's injury to see how easily a tackle from behind can put you out for 3 weeks and that happened minutes before this did.

[Grandad.]

Friendly or not, you can't stop a player from sliding in. 

[Webbo]

That's a real shitter, he manages to change gears quicker than almost anybody we have. If still possible, could his place be given to a reserve player? I can't remember the few that made the standby list but I do recall there weren't any wingers - I'm probably wrong, mind.

Up to 3 weeks means he could still play a part in the group stages, I doubt if they'd replace him.

[CosbehFox]

That's a real shitter, he manages to change gears quicker than almost anybody we have. If still possible, could his place be given to a reserve player? I can't remember the few that made the standby list but I do recall there weren't any wingers - I'm probably wrong, mind.

Cracking player Ox and I'm gutted for him. But I'd call up someone from the standby right away. Three weeks plus some time to get fit and it will be a sub appearance at most.

[Dan]

Didn't expect much but I was pleasantly surprised this evening, nice to see young lads run at players without fear. He hasn't seemed to get a good reaction tonight, but I thought Wilshire was good tonight. 

 

Milner did ok at right back I thought as well, gutted for the Ox, looks like he will miss the tournament. If anyone thinks Rooney did enough tonight to warrant a start in 10 days time then they are more deluded than the owl who is managing us. 

 

After the two games so far, my starting line up has changed some what now Hodgson is pretty set on the 4-2-3-1 formation. 

 

Hart

 

Milner -- Cahill -- Jagielka -- Baines

 

Gerrard -- Henderson 

 

Sterling -- Barkley -- Lallana

 

Sturridge

 

No chance he would leave both Welbeck and Rooney out but that for me is the way to go, fearless. 

 

I see a few people are leaving Lallana out of their sides now, funny how things and opinions change in a matter of days isn't it?

 

Well well well. It looks like we're finally on the same wavelength

 

Barkley added a dimension to our side yesterday that Rooney doesn't offer - and even if Rooney doesn't start, he's still one hell of a player to bring on isn't he?

[Dan]

I'll just say as well, the type of match it is shouldn't determine the decision. I won't disagree with those saying it's a 'silly' challenge and whatnot because it is right before the world cup but that has no bearing on the outcome.

 

The way some as well go on saying "in the Premier League that's a yellow card, in South America it's a red" - how many rule books are there again? If the officials aren't sticking to the rule book then they're the problem.