The Doctor Posted 5 June 2014 Posted 5 June 2014 Whether he touches barely any of the ball is irrelevant, especially when he has made contact with the ball first before clipping that clowns leg. But it's wild and out of control - it's an awful tackle, getting the ball means sweet **** all.
Haydos Posted 5 June 2014 Posted 5 June 2014 But it's wild and out of control - it's an awful tackle, getting the ball means sweet **** all. I don't think it was though. I understand why, generally, 2 footed tackles are outlawed, because it usually results in players leaving the floor, putting all their weight into the tackle and not being in control. This wasn't though, I've gone over the reasons why but I don't see how this is different from most slide tackles, apart from him tackling the top half of the ball rather than the middle of it. Timing is good, sets himself well, wins the ball, isn't two footed. I just don't get why it's anything other than 'a silly tackle' and that's only because of it being a couple of weeks before the wc. It's a silly one but it's about the first one that comes up on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJFZ_O7GScI Do you think that's a red? Conditions were bad and he's clearly not in control. 2 footed as well and coulda broken the lads ankles if he hadn't jumped out the way. Disgusting challenge, right? How is it different? Or this one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9zDcH5B_pU It's a hard tackle but again, not a foul imo.
The Doctor Posted 5 June 2014 Posted 5 June 2014 I don't think it was though. I understand why, generally, 2 footed tackles are outlawed, because it usually results in players leaving the floor, putting all their weight into the tackle and not being in control. This wasn't though, I've gone over the reasons why but I don't see how this is different from most slide tackles, apart from him tackling the top half of the ball rather than the middle of it. Timing is good, sets himself well, wins the ball, isn't two footed. I just don't get why it's anything other than 'a silly tackle' and that's only because of it being a couple of weeks before the wc. It's a silly one but it's about the first one that comes up on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJFZ_O7GScI Do you think that's a red? Conditions were bad and he's clearly not in control. 2 footed as well and coulda broken the lads ankles if he hadn't jumped out the way. Disgusting challenge, right? That one came nowhere near catching the croatian, it looks to be studs up, so a foul and a yellow, definitely, but Sterlings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbJoqdJXEyU Look at the front angle (42 secs) - he's off the ground and scissors Valencia. It's a bloody awful tackle, and a red is definitely fair.
Haydos Posted 5 June 2014 Posted 5 June 2014 That one came nowhere near catching the croatian, it looks to be studs up, so a foul and a yellow, definitely, but Sterlings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbJoqdJXEyU Look at the front angle (42 secs) - he's off the ground and scissors Valencia. It's a bloody awful tackle, and a red is definitely fair. When did this whole scissor thing become a thing? What's wrong with a scissor motion, is it against the laws? If you're tackling from behind then 90% of the time you're going to be making a scissor motion with your legs because if you're sliding and tackle with 1 foot the other has to follow. Campbell only isn't near the player because he jumps out the way. I dunno, that's all I have to say on the matter. I still think it's soft but if others feel that it's a red then fair enough. Nobody has mentioned the actual laws yet so as far as I'm aware the only thing it could fall into is that one about 'excessive force' if it's still there.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 5 June 2014 Posted 5 June 2014 That one came nowhere near catching the croatian, it looks to be studs up, so a foul and a yellow, definitely, but Sterlings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbJoqdJXEyU Look at the front angle (42 secs) - he's off the ground and scissors Valencia. It's a bloody awful tackle, and a red is definitely fair. I love Hoddle's reaction in the background on that angle.
Fox in the North Posted 5 June 2014 Posted 5 June 2014 I'd say it's a yellow for Sterling and a red for Valencia. Yellow because after watching the video again, he clobbers Valencia's right leg with his right knee. It's not two footed, but he did go in full-blooded. He may have got the ball first but it was still a dangerous tackle. Considering Valencia's past with his broken leg, I can understand why he reacted the way he did, but you can't raise your hands in modern football as 9/10 you'll get the book thrown at you. Still makes me laugh how the linesman gives the throw in though!
Ric Flair Posted 5 June 2014 Posted 5 June 2014 Confident The Ox will be back for the Uruguay game by all accounts, not the end of the world really.
Kitchandro Posted 5 June 2014 Posted 5 June 2014 Bit of an OTT comment. So using that logic are you suggesting Sterling should be banned for a poorer challenge moments later? No, Sterling went for the ball, the Ecuador player went for the man.
Leicesterpool Posted 5 June 2014 Posted 5 June 2014 Even though I seen nothing wrong with the tackle maybe it was a warning sign, maybe it showed we must be more careful at the real stage, cause as we know the refs will do anything to send one of our lads off so don't give them a reason.
Unabomber Posted 5 June 2014 Posted 5 June 2014 Even though I seen nothing wrong with the tackle maybe it was a warning sign, maybe it showed we must be more careful at the real stage, cause as we know the refs will do anything to send one of our lads off so don't give them a reason. He wasn't ready.
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 5 June 2014 Posted 5 June 2014 I'D TAKE HER OLYMPIC GEAR OFF SLOWLY THEN GIVE HER A GOOD SEEING TO!
Unabomber Posted 5 June 2014 Posted 5 June 2014 "Olympic gear" man that shit gets me every time, it's like it doesn't have a proper name.
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 5 June 2014 Posted 5 June 2014 That's exactly wot am satin,we as it up Barnsley a couple of years ago,me mate banged a lad in stone island,the fact he was wearing some nike air max trainers told me he weren't a lad,but if he wants to bounce about dressed like he is a lad(even though he weren't) he gonna draw attention to himself,which he did???
Dan Posted 5 June 2014 Posted 5 June 2014 The game really has gone so soft. I swear you could analyse nearly any tackle where the ball wasn't taken and make a claim for a red card these days. It's ridiculous.
Grandad. Posted 6 June 2014 Posted 6 June 2014 A young 19 year old kid goes in strongly to win the ball (which he did do) and is criticised for going in with too much force.. The modern day England fan.
Itsthejoeker Posted 6 June 2014 Posted 6 June 2014 A young 19 year old kid goes in strongly to win the ball (which he did do) and is criticised for going in with too much force.. The modern day England fan. I wonder if you'd be saying all of this if you weren't a Liverpool fan.
Grandad. Posted 6 June 2014 Posted 6 June 2014 I wonder if you'd be saying all of this if you weren't a Liverpool fan. I would yeah, I didn't come in here ranting about the Peru player flying in on Gerrard, its football, if the ball is there to be won then you go for it. That's how I was taught to play football and it never did me any harm. Like I said yesterday, I wonder if you lot would of been condoning the actions of Luis Suarez if he was to react like Antonio Valencia to a challenge. Pretty sure a lot of people on here thought Kevin Mirallas was some kind of hero for this.. Surely seeing a young lad going in for a tackle is better than seeing him allow the winger run down the wing and cross it? Worrying how many people have lost touch with football and what it is about, tackling with to much force? Never heard anything so stupid.
Guest ttfn Posted 6 June 2014 Posted 6 June 2014 I would yeah, I didn't come in here ranting about the Peru player flying in on Gerrard, its football, if the ball is there to be won then you go for it. That's how I was taught to play football and it never did me any harm. Like I said yesterday, I wonder if you lot would of been condoning the actions of Luis Suarez if he was to react like Antonio Valencia to a challenge. Pretty sure a lot of people on here thought Kevin Mirallas was some kind of hero for this.. Surely seeing a young lad going in for a tackle is better than seeing him allow the winger run down the wing and cross it? Worrying how many people have lost touch with football and what it is about, tackling with to much force? Never heard anything so stupid. Tackling with "too much" [excessive] force has been against the laws of the game (and punishable by a red card) for years. That was an atrocious tackle by Mirallas, Christ knows how he stayed on. Suarez would have been well within his rights to have kicked off, albeit as I recall he was too injured to do anything about it. Both Sterling and Valencia behaved stupidly, both were sent off.
Donut Posted 6 June 2014 Posted 6 June 2014 I would yeah, I didn't come in here ranting about the Peru player flying in on Gerrard, its football, if the ball is there to be won then you go for it. That's how I was taught to play football and it never did me any harm. Like I said yesterday, I wonder if you lot would of been condoning the actions of Luis Suarez if he was to react like Antonio Valencia to a challenge. Pretty sure a lot of people on here thought Kevin Mirallas was some kind of hero for this.. Surely seeing a young lad going in for a tackle is better than seeing him allow the winger run down the wing and cross it? Worrying how many people have lost touch with football and what it is about, tackling with to much force? Never heard anything so stupid. Would it "do you any harm" to be more aware of the laws of the game that you play maybe? You can win the ball and be sent off under the laws of the game if you are using excessive force or causing danger to an opponent. Sterling did both. Lets move on.
Grandad. Posted 6 June 2014 Posted 6 June 2014 Sterling wasn't over the ball, he won the ball and caught Valencia with the leg he didn't go in to win the ball with, if that is 'too much' force then maybe the rules needs looking at so the majority of you aren't warped into believing that is even a foul.
Donut Posted 6 June 2014 Posted 6 June 2014 Sterling wasn't over the ball, he won the ball and caught Valencia with the leg he didn't go in to win the ball with, if that is 'too much' force then maybe the rules needs looking at so the majority of you aren't warped into believing that is even a foul. The law is an ass according to Grandad so we pretent it doesnt exist. Can we just please move on.
MC Prussian Posted 6 June 2014 Posted 6 June 2014 Antonio Valencia, what a willy puller by the way. Am I the only person who thought Sterling took the ball and there wasn't anything wrong with the tackle? Terrible from Valencia, no need at all. Loved the togetherness of the lads when a little bit of pushing started, Wilshire storming in and Jones and Smalling, good to see. Great captaincy from Stevie as well, walking Raheem off who looked devastated. Given the fact that you're a Liverpool fan, I can see where you're coming from there. It was a tough choice, to be honest. One part of me thinks he went for the ball, the other part can see a bookable offense. However, I don't know whether I would have given Sterling a straight red. That was a bit harsh. Valencia's reaction was way over the top. Then again, he doesn't want to risk to miss the WC, so he must be somewhat overly motivated in general.
foxfanazer Posted 6 June 2014 Posted 6 June 2014 Given the fact that you're a Liverpool fan, I can see where you're coming from there. It was a tough choice, to be honest. One part of me thinks he went for the ball, the other part can see a bookable offense. However, I don't know whether I would have given Sterling a straight red. That was a bit harsh. Valencia's reaction was way over the top. Then again, he doesn't want to risk to miss the WC, so he must be somewhat overly motivated in general. Spot on. Not as black and white as some are making it out to be
AKCJ Posted 6 June 2014 Posted 6 June 2014 Sterling wasn't over the ball, he won the ball and caught Valencia with the leg he didn't go in to win the ball with, if that is 'too much' force then maybe the rules needs looking at so the majority of you aren't warped into believing that is even a foul. Mate, if it was Rooney that got sent off you wouldn't care a jot. Just take it on the chin, Sterling was out of order putting tackles like that in the situation and Valencia (while I would have done the same) was out of order for reacting as he did. Personally don't think Sterling would have been sent off in a competitive match but it was in the best interest of both sides that they left the pitch because neither team wanted heavy tackles flying about a week before the pinnacle of the sport. Not worth getting worked up at, just move on.
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