ScouseFox Posted 25 June 2014 Posted 25 June 2014 why does everyone just keep volleying it straight at the keeper wtf
Dan Posted 25 June 2014 Posted 25 June 2014 Ecuador will throw everything at it right at the end, France will break about 5 on 2 and they'll still miss. This is ending 0-0.
Unabomber Posted 25 June 2014 Posted 25 June 2014 I'm going to ****ing kill myself, someone tell my parents I want my headstone to say **** france, and especially that **** pogba please. See you on the other side guys.
Guest Col city fan Posted 25 June 2014 Posted 25 June 2014 Fookin France have cost me a few quid tonight! Had Argentina/Switzerland/France, where I thought the French were the nailed-on of the trio. Unfortunately not!
Dan Posted 25 June 2014 Posted 25 June 2014 You can't even blame South American opposition this time. France lost that due to their own ineptness. They should've won that by at least 2 or 3.
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AdamN Posted 26 June 2014 Posted 26 June 2014 Right, I think I'm gonna need dead-heats explaining to me. From what I understand, your stake gets divided by the amount of players involved (so, a dead heat of 2 players divides your stake in half), which is simple enough, but where my understanding falls short is how it works in an accumulator. Using that logic, I'd guess that if you had, say, a 10-fold accumulator at 500/1 and you stuck a fiver on it, and each selection ended as a dead heat between 5 players, you'd divide the stake (not the odds) on each selection by five, thus resulting in a fifth of your original stake being placed in total. That to me would suggest that you're effectively sticking a quid on at 500/1 (given that the odds don't change), but putting such a bet into an odds calculator gives a severely reduced return on what it 'should' be, so I'm obviously not getting it right. Using my previous bet as an example, what would be the maximum I can now return from the following, and how is that calculated? Top team goalscorer: Edin Dzeko @ 11/8 - WON, dead heat of 4 Mario Ballotelli @ 13/8 - WON, dead heat of 2 Mario Mandzukic @ 5/2 - WON, dead heat of 2 Alexis Sanchez @ 5/2- To Run James Rodriguez @ 9/2 - To Run Karim Benzema @ 6/4 - To Run Thomas Muller @ 7/2 - To Run Alexander Kerzhakov @ 10/3 - To Run £5 @ 20,476/1
ScouseFox Posted 26 June 2014 Posted 26 June 2014 you just keep dividing it by how many dead heats there are in each leg. so far you'd have divided it by 4 for dzeko, then by a further 2 for balotelli and a further 2 again for mandzukic, so your current stake on it is whatever you staked divided by 4, by 2 & by 2 again, eg divided by 16. then if it's dead heated again in another leg you'd divide it by a further 2, so it'd be 1/32 of your original stake etc. still even if you end up with 1/100th of your stake @ odds of 20476 you'd get a nice enough return .
Bert Posted 26 June 2014 Posted 26 June 2014 Right, I think I'm gonna need dead-heats explaining to me. From what I understand, your stake gets divided by the amount of players involved (so, a dead heat of 2 players divides your stake in half), which is simple enough, but where my understanding falls short is how it works in an accumulator. Using that logic, I'd guess that if you had, say, a 10-fold accumulator at 500/1 and you stuck a fiver on it, and each selection ended as a dead heat between 5 players, you'd divide the stake (not the odds) on each selection by five, thus resulting in a fifth of your original stake being placed in total. That to me would suggest that you're effectively sticking a quid on at 500/1 (given that the odds don't change), but putting such a bet into an odds calculator gives a severely reduced return on what it 'should' be, so I'm obviously not getting it right. Using my previous bet as an example, what would be the maximum I can now return from the following, and how is that calculated? Top team goalscorer: Edin Dzeko @ 11/8 - WON, dead heat of 4 Mario Ballotelli @ 13/8 - WON, dead heat of 2 Mario Mandzukic @ 5/2 - WON, dead heat of 2 Alexis Sanchez @ 5/2- To Run James Rodriguez @ 9/2 - To Run Karim Benzema @ 6/4 - To Run Thomas Muller @ 7/2 - To Run Alexander Kerzhakov @ 10/3 - To Run £5 @ 20,476/1 For instance. Dzeko you divide 11 by 8 = 1.375/1 and then divide that by 4 = 0.34/1 x stake (5) = £1.71 and then that rolls into your next selection.... Mandzukic divide 5 by 2 and then by 2 again which would give you odds of 1.25/1 (5/4 basically) so you'd have £1.71 going onto your next leg at 5/4. And so on. I could be wrong but that's always the way I've thought it worked. Scouse is probably the best person to explain.
Stadt Posted 26 June 2014 Posted 26 June 2014 It's harsh that the whole stake is divided, it should be the single line where the odds are slashed.
AdamN Posted 26 June 2014 Posted 26 June 2014 you just keep dividing it by how many dead heats there are in each leg. so far you'd have divided it by 4 for dzeko, then by a further 2 for balotelli and a further 2 again for mandzukic, so your current stake on it is whatever you staked divided by 4, by 2 & by 2 again, eg divided by 16. then if it's dead heated again in another leg you'd divide it by a further 2, so it'd be 1/32 of your original stake etc. still even if you end up with 1/100th of your stake @ odds of 20476 you'd get a nice enough return . Right, so it divides your stake across the ENTIRE accumulator, not just on that line? I think that'd make more sense with the totals I'm coming out with. 5 / 4 = 1.25 1.25 / 2 = 0.625 0.625 / 2 = 0.3125 0.3125 * 20476 = 6398.75
ScouseFox Posted 26 June 2014 Posted 26 June 2014 yeah i've always thought that but it's just how it is. it's hard to explain over a pc haha, i had great fun explaining it to a guy in work the other day using loads of pointing and drawing lines. basically if there are 2 winners on a line the bet is split in half, so your stake is split in half and each half is put onto the two separate bets. as you've backed one winner half your stake has obviously won, and you've then not backed the other winner so the other half of your stake is lost. that basically continues with splitting bets/lines/stakes and as long as you can plot a path from start to finish and have a winner somewhere on each line you'll end up with a return, but obviously a drastically reduced one depending on how many splits there are along the way.
ScouseFox Posted 26 June 2014 Posted 26 June 2014 Right, so it divides your stake across the ENTIRE accumulator, not just on that line? I think that'd make more sense with the totals I'm coming out with. 5 / 4 = 1.25 1.25 / 2 = 0.625 0.625 / 2 = 0.3125 0.3125 * 20476 = 6398.75 yeah that is the way i've always been taught it for horses and is the way it happens on singles so i would assume it'd follow on for accums. obviously if there are more dead heats along the line you'll split stakes again. like i said even if all of them are split in half you'd still get a nice enough return from your five pound stake, which is probably why people were so pleased with odds such as 13/8 on dzeko or 6/4 on balotelli, because bookies know as soon as they start dead heating they reduce your winnings somewhat.
AdamN Posted 26 June 2014 Posted 26 June 2014 yeah that is the way i've always been taught it for horses and is the way it happens on singles so i would assume it'd follow on for accums. obviously if there are more dead heats along the line you'll split stakes again. like i said even if all of them are split in half you'd still get a nice enough return from your five pound stake, which is probably why people were so pleased with odds such as 13/8 on dzeko or 6/4 on balotelli, because bookies know as soon as they start dead heating they reduce your winnings somewhat. Yeah those decent odds do start to make sense now. Not that I'd be unhappy with 6 grand, mind! Although I still think Sanchez will do it, he's currently dead heating with 4 others, so that one's on a knife edge, with Kerzakhov's single goal vulnerable to being equalled, although hopefully Russia don't go through so that one can be settled tonight.
ScouseFox Posted 26 June 2014 Posted 26 June 2014 Yeah those decent odds do start to make sense now. Not that I'd be unhappy with 6 grand, mind! Although I still think Sanchez will do it, he's currently dead heating with 4 others, so that one's on a knife edge, with Kerzakhov's single goal vulnerable to being equalled, although hopefully Russia don't go through so that one can be settled tonight. Yeah starting to look like it might be a very decent bet, dead heats or not! I've had mandzukic, balotelli and Dzeko with Benzema in a 4 fold, barley trebled my money I think with the amount of joint tops in it haha.
Nalis Posted 26 June 2014 Posted 26 June 2014 It's harsh that the whole stake is divided, it should be the single line where the odds are slashed. I agree totally. Also, are the bookies likely to be ***** and count the player with highest assists as the deciding factor between shared top scorers? For example, I have Sturridge top England scorer in one of my accumulators but would Ladbrokes be right bellends and say Rooney was top scorer due to his 1 assist?
Ashley Posted 26 June 2014 Author Posted 26 June 2014 I need Germany & Belgium to get at least a point each tonight for my group bets to come in! Do I be gready and back Germany, Belgium double?
ScouseFox Posted 26 June 2014 Posted 26 June 2014 I agree totally. Also, are the bookies likely to be ***** and count the player with highest assists as the deciding factor between shared top scorers? For example, I have Sturridge top England scorer in one of my accumulators but would Ladbrokes be right bellends and say Rooney was top scorer due to his 1 assist? They shouldn't. That only happens in golden boot betting because the FIFA rules are that if it's level it goes to assists so there is only one golden boot winner. If you look on bookmakers you can usually find a market for golden boot and top scorer, because they are different markets for world cups etc.
Lamby Posted 26 June 2014 Posted 26 June 2014 France & Honduras can **** right off, their failure to score in the first 30mins of their game cost me £1369, *****
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