Luis Suarez Bites Chiellini

[Haydos]

Frankly, if nothing much happens about Suarez, it's game over. Never again could I trust or respect the footballing authorities.

Not taking some very strong action would send out completely the wrong message to everyone involved in the sport.

Quite frankly, apart from Leicester City football club, my love of ' the beautiful game' is dwindling somewhat. Don't get me wrong, I still love watching football, and the World Cup has been brilliant. But the England debacle has soured it somewhat. And what goes on off the pitch is getting worse. Money, money, money.

You do realise it's nothing new right? There's been farces and controversies throughout the history of the game. Don't start getting all emotional now.

What was that world cup game decades ago involving a South American team where they basically just kept on assaulting everyone on the pitch? David Coleman was famously livid about it.

All this faux outrage is pretty amusing to see, especially when it's accompanied by all this 'football nowadays...something about money...blah blah'

[Alf Bentley]

You do realise it's nothing new right? There's been farces and controversies throughout the history of the game. Don't start getting all emotional now.

What was that world cup game decades ago involving a South American team where they basically just kept on assaulting everyone on the pitch? David Coleman was famously livid about it.

All this faux outrage is pretty amusing to see, especially when it's accompanied by all this 'football nowadays...something about money...blah blah'

 

I assume you mean this.... 

 

Hilarious stuff (provided you're not on the end of the tackles)!

[Haydos]

I assume you mean this.... 

 

Hilarious stuff (provided you're not on the end of the tackles)!

 

That's the one, I was being a bit dense there. Was Maradona punished for his hand of god? I bet Col would be clamouring for FIFA to take action if it happen now and claiming football had gone to the dogs as well.

[Guest Col city fan]

You do realise it's nothing new right? There's been farces and controversies throughout the history of the game. Don't start getting all emotional now.

What was that world cup game decades ago involving a South American team where they basically just kept on assaulting everyone on the pitch? David Coleman was famously livid about it.

All this faux outrage is pretty amusing to see, especially when it's accompanied by all this 'football nowadays...something about money...blah blah'

Nope, I genuinely believe what I've said. Suarez needs banning from the game IMO. What would you do? Probably nothing and sweep it under. Its a good job you arent in a position to be a change agent. You'd stick with the status quo by the looks.

And yes, I think the game is becoming more money driven. Of course it is.

Don't try to be bright with the fancy phrases Haydos, Im not impressed.

[Corky]

Col, weren't you fairly keen on us signing Marlon King a while back?

[Guest Col city fan]

Col, weren't you fairly keen on us signing Marlon King a while back?

What point does that make? Wasnt King tried for his offence and found guilty? Clearly he then didnt learn from his misdemeanours. Suarez needs to be tried for his offence too. I asked the question earlier (no answer)... shouldn't Suarez be investigated for a criminal offence? If not, why not?

[Guest Col city fan]

That's the one, I was being a bit dense there. Was Maradona punished for his hand of god? I bet Col would be clamouring for FIFA to take action if it happen now and claiming football had gone to the dogs as well.

Are you seriously suggesting that doing a deliberate handball, unseen by a referee to score a sneaky goal is the same as trying to eat a person?

Thats up there with your view on Holland!

[AoWW]

I walked into a classroom of 8 and 9 year old kids this morning... they were all discussing this. Their comments were, innocently and misguidedly, generally along the lines of 'hahaha, sooo funny' or 'coool'. That's what's depressing.

 

Sure, I soon put them straight in no uncertain terms, but it makes me really angry that Suarez is seen as a role-model by some.

[Haydos]

Nope, I genuinely believe what I've said. Suarez needs banning from the game IMO. What would you do? Probably nothing and sweep it under. Its a good job you arent in a position to be a change agent. You'd stick with the status quo by the looks.

And yes, I think the game is becoming more money driven. Of course it is.

Don't try to be bright with the fancy phrases Haydos, Im not impressed.

 

I'd be looking at a lengthy ban from international and domestic football. 10 games from each maybe? Or a 6 month ban from all football with at least 10 matches banned at international level.

 

I'm not sure what you mean by fancy phrases but whatever. My point is that in the grand scheme of things I don't think this is all it's cracked up to be. It's weird to have a nibble on someone, it's not criminal. If someone did that to me in the street I'd want them getting help, not banning them from work or locking them away. If it's suggested that he seeks counselling to help him deal with some anger/behavioural issues then I agree, go down that route as well. People are talking about banning him from the game forever or all internationals though are just nuts, I literally can't believe anyone saying that is serious. As in, what-the-fvck-are-you-talking-about-it's-just-a-little-bite-on-the-shoulder can't believe it.

 

Again, not disagreeing that it's weird or ridiculous that it's nuts because it's the third time he's done it. Only that the overreactions are more insane than him biting someone again.

[AoWW]

I'd be looking at a lengthy ban from international and domestic football. 10 games from each maybe? Or a 6 month ban from all football with at least 10 matches banned at international level.

 

I'm not sure what you mean by fancy phrases but whatever. My point is that in the grand scheme of things I don't think this is all it's cracked up to be. It's weird to have a nibble on someone, it's not criminal. If someone did that to me in the street I'd want them getting help, not banning them from work or locking them away. If it's suggested that he seeks counselling to help him deal with some anger/behavioural issues then I agree, go down that route as well. People are talking about banning him from the game forever or all internationals though are just nuts, I literally can't believe anyone saying that is serious. As in, what-the-fvck-are-you-talking-about-it's-just-a-little-bite-on-the-shoulder can't believe it.

 

Again, not disagreeing that it's weird or ridiculous that it's nuts because it's the third time he's done it. Only that the overreactions are more insane than him biting someone again.

 

It's Actual Bodily Harm.

[Haydos]

I walked into a classroom of 8 and 9 year old kids this morning... they were all discussing this. Their comments were, innocently and misguidedly, generally along the lines of 'hahaha, sooo funny' or 'coool'. That's what's depressing.

 

Sure, I soon put them straight in no uncertain terms, but it makes me really angry that Suarez is seen as a role-model by some.

 

This irks me somewhat as well. I know footballers are in a privileged position but this insistence by the entire public that they're all obligated to be role models 100% of the time is pretty extreme as well. 

 

It was a ridiculous but still a funny incident, if you can't laugh at that then not much in football will make you laugh imo.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN7RPTPdLHU

 

The guy isn't a criminal, he's a pure winner, but a bit of a nut on the pitch. Plenty worse out there.

It's Actual Bodily Harm.

 

So's kicking someone or elbowing them in the face or stamping on their leg. This argument is dead before it starts. How many players have you seen convicted for off the ball incidents that aren't 'part of the game'?

[Guest Col city fan]

It's Actual Bodily Harm.

Thank-you.

That's what I thought it was too?

'Weird' don't cut it does it...

[Alf Bentley]

I walked into a classroom of 8 and 9 year old kids this morning... they were all discussing this. Their comments were, innocently and misguidedly, generally along the lines of 'hahaha, sooo funny' or 'coool'. That's what's depressing.

 

Sure, I soon put them straight in no uncertain terms, but it makes me really angry that Suarez is seen as a role-model by some.

 

Did you bite them? 

Or is your bark worse than your bite? 

[AoWW]

This irks me somewhat as well. I know footballers are in a privileged position but this insistence by the entire public that they're all obligated to be role models 100% of the time is pretty extreme as well. 

 

It was a ridiculous but still a funny incident, if you can't laugh at that then not much in football will make you laugh imo.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN7RPTPdLHU

 

The guy isn't a criminal, he's a pure winner, but a bit of a nut on the pitch. Plenty worse out there.

 

So's kicking someone or elbowing them in the face or stamping on their leg. This argument is dead before it starts. How many players have you seen convicted for off the ball incidents that aren't 'part of the game'?

 

They're not obligated to role models but that's how they are viewed by many impressionable kids.

 

Your original point wasn't regarding how many had been convicted for elbowing, stamping, etc. You clearly stated biting is not criminal (however much you dress it up as being a 'nibble') but you're wrong, plain and simple. 

[AoWW]

Did you bite them? 

Or is your bark worse than your bite? 

 

My bark is definitely much worse than my bite. 

[theessexfox]

This irks me somewhat as well. I know footballers are in a privileged position but this insistence by the entire public that they're all obligated to be role models 100% of the time is pretty extreme as well. 

 

It was a ridiculous but still a funny incident, if you can't laugh at that then not much in football will make you laugh imo.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN7RPTPdLHU

 

The guy isn't a criminal, he's a pure winner, but a bit of a nut on the pitch. Plenty worse out there.

 

So's kicking someone or elbowing them in the face or stamping on their leg. This argument is dead before it starts. How many players have you seen convicted for off the ball incidents that aren't 'part of the game'?

That kid will probably try biting someone on a Sunday now 

[Haydos]

They're not obligated to role models but that's how they are viewed by many impressionable kids.

 

Your original point wasn't regarding how many had been convicted for elbowing, stamping, etc. You clearly stated biting is not criminal (however much you dress it up as being a 'nibble') but you're wrong, plain and simple. 

 

Sorry, fair enough, I hadn't read back what I wrote. I think I might have just been using it more as a general phrase but in the context it's obviously very wrong.

 

I'll move my point forward a bit to what I replied to you with then. A lot of people have been using the fact that it is technically criminal when things I mentioned go unpunished all the time. I fail to see how this is any different from any of your usual petulant stamps and whatnot. Take Shearer on Lennon for an example. 

[Guest Col city fan]

Sorry, fair enough, I hadn't read back what I wrote. I think I might have just been using it more as a general phrase but in the context it's obviously very wrong.

I'll move my point forward a bit to what I replied to you with then. A lot of people have been using the fact that it is technically criminal when things I mentioned go unpunished all the time. I fail to see how this is any different from any of your usual petulant stamps and whatnot. Take Shearer on Lennon for an example.

I think this... Football for years has contained many dubious challenges. What constitutes an 'over the top' challenge? What is seen as a stamp? What is seen as elbowing someone or not elbowing someone?

There is still uncertainty and I think this is why the footballing authorities are attempting to stamp out ANY such indiscretion as much as they realistically can. I'm not saying that some of the horrible challenges haven't been intentional! I was in the main stand, sat right in front of the Shearer/Lennon incident and it was clear what he did. But there is still interpretation, or there usually is. One man's dangerous tackle is another man's strong tackle and it goes on...

From what I saw, with Suarez, he bit someone. There was no dodgy tackle, no flailing arm, no 'accidentally' stamping on someone. There can't be any interpretation can there? Biting someone is not a part of the game or a natural movement, whether intended or intentional. Therefore (and I'm no lawyer), surely such an act can be determined as assault? It was clearly intentional and couldn't have been 'accidental'. It is also something he has done before so such an act has previous.

Thus it is essential that something is done about it. If severe action isn't taken, what message is sent out to kids etc.. As somebody said earlier, apparently some kids are laughing about it already. They will laugh louder, perhaps, if they see that 'cool Suarez' is allowed to get away with this again.

I may be wrong, but that's how I see it.

[Haydos]

I think this... Football for years has contained many dubious challenges. What constitutes an 'over the top' challenge? What is seen as a stamp? What is seen as elbowing someone or not elbowing someone?

There is still uncertainty and I think this is why the footballing authorities are attempting to stamp out ANY such indiscretion as much as they realistically can. I'm not saying that some of the horrible challenges haven't been intentional! I was in the main stand, sat right in front of the Shearer/Lennon incident and it was clear what he did. But there is still interpretation, or there usually is. One man's dangerous tackle is another man's strong tackle and it goes on...

From what I saw, with Suarez, he bit someone. There was no dodgy tackle, no flailing arm, no 'accidentally' stamping on someone. There can't be any interpretation can there? Biting someone is not a part of the game or a natural movement, whether intended or intentional. Therefore (and I'm no lawyer), surely such an act can be determined as assault? It was clearly intentional and couldn't have been 'accidental'. It is also something he has done before so such an act has previous.

Thus it is essential that something is done about it. If severe action isn't taken, what message is sent out to kids etc.. As somebody said earlier, apparently some kids are laughing about it already. They will laugh louder, perhaps, if they see that 'cool Suarez' is allowed to get away with this again.

I may be wrong, but that's how I see it.

I'm on mobile now so I'm keeping it short for the time being. Have you seen the red Pepe got for Real Madrid a few years ago? He literally kicked a player while he was on the floor several times. He got a serious ban for it and it was unquestionably abh in a public setting but still nothing was done outside of football.

Have a quick watch, pretty sure it's on YouTube, that should settle any argument about interpretation.

[Tom17LCFC]

I don't know what's worse, Suarez biting for the third time or the fact that some Liverpool fans still defend him, pathetic.

[orangecity23]

I think this... Football for years has contained many dubious challenges. What constitutes an 'over the top' challenge? What is seen as a stamp? What is seen as elbowing someone or not elbowing someone?

There is still uncertainty and I think this is why the footballing authorities are attempting to stamp out ANY such indiscretion as much as they realistically can. I'm not saying that some of the horrible challenges haven't been intentional! I was in the main stand, sat right in front of the Shearer/Lennon incident and it was clear what he did. But there is still interpretation, or there usually is. One man's dangerous tackle is another man's strong tackle and it goes on...

From what I saw, with Suarez, he bit someone. There was no dodgy tackle, no flailing arm, no 'accidentally' stamping on someone. There can't be any interpretation can there? Biting someone is not a part of the game or a natural movement, whether intended or intentional. Therefore (and I'm no lawyer), surely such an act can be determined as assault? It was clearly intentional and couldn't have been 'accidental'. It is also something he has done before so such an act has previous.

Thus it is essential that something is done about it. If severe action isn't taken, what message is sent out to kids etc.. As somebody said earlier, apparently some kids are laughing about it already. They will laugh louder, perhaps, if they see that 'cool Suarez' is allowed to get away with this again.

I may be wrong, but that's how I see it.

 

It's definitely an interesting point you raise regarding assault charges for an attack like this where there's no question of intention. I guess it depends on the Police/CPS of the area in question, and how much they want to wade into this kind of stuff? We've seen that the Met were keen to jump into the whole John Terry racism issue, which was a lot less clear and visible than Suarez's bite. Then, on the other hand you get stuff like this:

No police action, 4 match ban from the FA for Ferguson. I'd like to think that Suarez would get a decent punishment, but I bet it'll be a pretty standard 3/4/5 match ban much in the same vein, sadly.

[Stadt]

Elbows and stamps, unfortunately, are part of the game and have engrained themselves into football culture whereas biting is just batshit. In my opinion he shouldn't be allowed to play at the next World Cup because he's seriously cheated and he's bitten somebody, at the next World Cup he'll be 31 so by banning him for that long you might as well ban him permanently from international football.

[Haydos]

Elbows and stamps, unfortunately, are part of the game and have engrained themselves into football culture whereas biting is just batshit. In my opinion he shouldn't be allowed to play at the next World Cup because he's seriously cheated and he's bitten somebody, at the next World Cup he'll be 31 so by banning him for that long you might as well ban him permanently from international football.

Elbows and stamps aren't part of the game though. They happen, but stamping is not part of the Football.

[Stadt]

Elbows and stamps aren't part of the game though. They happen, but stamping is not part of the Football.

I didn't phrase that very well

But do you think Suarez should play at the next World Cup?

[Haydos]

I didn't phrase that very well

But do you think Suarez should play at the next World Cup?

 

Awkward one, it would be an unorthodox punishment. I mentioned earlier about a 10 game international ban. Is banning him for the competition 4 years down the line reasonable? In an ideal world I would side with you but I don't think it's a realistic punishment.