2015 Election season ..........stuff it in here.

[Guest MattP]

I will probably watch the initial exit poll coverage, then go to bed and get up about 5 to watch a bit then.  This is going to run through Friday without a doubt.

 

It could run through to next Friday.... :frantics:

[Jon25747]

So after years of Gordon Brown, who I thought was a reasonable Chancellor, spouting "prudence, prudence, prudence" when he finally got to be PM it all went pear-shaped. The fact is that New Labour had 13 years to rein in the banks and financial institutions in particular the likes of Northern Rock who were willing to lend to anyone whether they had savings or not.

 

New Labour were not squeaky clean and the deficit will be with us for another 5 years make no mistake.

David Cameron wanted less regulation in banking so if the tories were in power the exact same would have happened, maybe even worse. Perhaps the tories would have spent less in the run up to the crash but then maybe the economy would have grown less during the preceding years.

 

My point is this - Many people blame Labour for the economic downturn when that is simply a one dimensional view on the topic.

[Strokes]

What are most people doing tonight with regards to coverage? I'm going bed about 3-4 I think and getting up about 10pm tonight.

A few times of expected results in some of the more interesting counts.

I'll get home about 6, take my son with me to vote (I want him to understand the importance) go bed about 12, get up at 5 and watch or listen throughout the day, (whilst attempting to work).

[Guest MattP]

Only a couple of days until the horrid bastardo Dan Hodges has to streak down Whitehall as well......

 

[Guest]

 

The highest earning 3000 pay more tax than the lowest earning 9,000,000 FIF.  You can keep harping on about the rich not paying taxes, but it isn't true is it?  You know it isn't.

 

Can you now quote the figures on how much tax evasion/avoidance/etc by the highest earning 3000 compared to lowest earning 9,000,000 Jon?

 

I think that is what annoys the middle earners (who are also annoyed by the unemployed benefit takers). 

 

I'm all for taxation but like many I'm against people finding loopholes and ways around paying it.

 

I pay mine in full, every year.

[Rincewind]

Watch  the alternate  election night on Channel Four Go bed at midnight  get up 10am. Tune  into FoxesTalk and read the moaning  posts from Tories or Labourites.

[Guest MattP]

Watch  the alternate  election night on Channel Four Go bed at midnight  get up 10am. Tune  into FoxesTalk and read the moaning  posts from Tories or Labourites.

 

How are the Tories hitting lower paid workers?

[Hirsty The Blue 94]

Just back from the polling station and it was surprisingly busy, which is a positive.

[foxoffderby]

Voting tonight when the mrs comes home from work. Looking forward to the results tonight its a bit like transfer dead line day on SSN .

[Captain...]

The highest earning 3000 pay more tax than the lowest earning 9,000,000 FIF.  You can keep harping on about the rich not paying taxes, but it isn't true is it?  You know it isn't.

 

Of course the rich pay more than the poor, the fact the mega rich are paying significantly more tax than the rest of us is indicative of the disparity of wealth in this country and not how much of their wealth as a proportion they contribute in tax, and not that they aren't engaging in illegal or immoral tax avoidance practices.

 

That stat neither proves nor disproves anything, the rich pay a lot of tax, but they can and should pay more, especially now we are in massive amounts of debt as a country, because you can be pretty sure the mega rich benefitted more than the other 9,000,000 during the sustained period of growth under Labour.

[MiniFox]

The highest earning 3000 pay more tax than the lowest earning 9,000,000 FIF.  You can keep harping on about the rich not paying taxes, but it isn't true is it?  You know it isn't.

Many corporations pay no tax or next to no tax at all.

 

Maybe that's what he was talking about. 

[Guest]

Let me make it clear Jon, I'm all for a progressive tax. I'm against tax evasion and tax avoidance but completely understand why it exists. I don't like the criminal disparity of wealth and I'm in favour of both a salary and profits tax with profits tied to both investment and median salary.  

[Strokes]

Let me make it clear Jon, I'm all for a progressive tax. I'm against tax evasion and tax avoidance but completely understand why it exists. I don't like the criminal disparity of wealth and I'm in favour of both a salary and profits tax with profits tied to both investment and median salary.

And the answer is...... You are a Tory.

[Stevosevic]

Voted Tory.

 

Last thing we need is Ed Balls as chancellor to take us backwards.

[MooseBreath]

Against "criminal disparity in wealth", wants government to help protect his property investments at the expense of the poor... lol he's not even subtle about it.

[Ollie93]

does anybody really think that if Labour come into power this "disparity of wealth" is going to disappear? It is always going to be there no matter who is in power.

[Jon the Hat]

Many corporations pay no tax or next to no tax at all.

 

Maybe that's what he was talking about. 

 

That also isn't true.  A lot of corporations pay a limited amount of Corporation tax, but pay a lot of VAT, National Insurance and also employ many people who pay a lot of income tax and NI.  That isn't to say some shouldn't pay more, which is why the Conservatives have brought in the diverted profits tax, which strengthens the HMRC toolkit to determine where companies are moving profits offshore unreasonably.

 

I also doubt you are complaining when your pension does well from corporations who manage their tax affairs effectively.

[Guest]

Against "criminal disparity in wealth", wants government to help protect his property investments at the expense of the poor... lol he's not even subtle about it.

 

I realise you like to stalk me but it becomes clearer that you have a reading disability. As I've stated many times I have NO property in England, in fact no investments in England. Not quite sure where either of those have anything to do with my dislike of some people being paid obscene amounts of money compared to others for a similar level of work put in.

[Guest]

does anybody really think that if Labour come into power this "disparity of wealth" is going to disappear? It is always going to be there no matter who is in power.

 

As I've said, Labour and Tory are almost the same party. The UK need a revolution.

 

[MiniFox]

That also isn't true.  A lot of corporations pay a limited amount of Corporation tax, but pay a lot of VAT, National Insurance and also employ many people who pay a lot of income tax and NI.  That isn't to say some shouldn't pay more, which is why the Conservatives have brought in the diverted profits tax, which strengthens the HMRC toolkit to determine where companies are moving profits offshore unreasonably.

 

I also doubt you are complaining when your pension does well from corporations who manage their tax affairs effectively.

But I think that's part of the argument, that many corporations pay such a limited amount of Corporation tax which stands at around 20%, for all businesses, isn't a particularly high amount to pay, however that is a fair statement that they do employ many people who pay income tax. However, of course corporation tax is only on profits, so it's not unreasonable.

 

For example when Amazon contribute very little compared to what they should be paying, many people feel angry, as many people have to pay more than 20% on a lot less earnings, which is understandable. 

 

EDIT: I'm not blaming any political party for any corporations avoiding tax.

[Guest]

But I think that's part of the argument, that many corporations pay such a limited amount of Corporation tax which stands at around 20%, for all businesses, isn't a particularly high amount to pay, however that is a fair statement that they do employ many people who pay income tax. However, of course corporation tax is only on profits, so it's not unreasonable.

 

For example when Amazon contribute very little compared to what they should be paying, many people feel angry, as many people have to pay more than 20% on a lot less earnings, which is understandable. 

 

Especially when small businesses and many of the self-employed pay so much for so little, whilst working so hard.

[Bobby Hundreds]

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[Tom17LCFC]

voted labour.

[MiniFox]

Especially when small businesses and many of the self-employed pay so much for so little, whilst working so hard.

Exactly, it's not to say all small businesses pay all the tax their supposed to, but in general, their are a lot of hardworking self-employed people, who pay all their taxes, even though a lot may not even get close to the amounts that some of the tax avoiding corporations get, in terms of profits.

[MooseBreath]

I realise you like to stalk me but it becomes clearer that you have a reading disability. As I've stated many times I have NO property in England, in fact no investments in England. Not quite sure where either of those have anything to do with my dislike of some people being paid obscene amounts of money compared to others for a similar level of work put in.

I know you've said that, I just don't believe you. I think you're making those comments in some ridiculous effort to make your points of view sound less motivated by greed. If your views were less inconsistent maybe people would take you more seriously and might be more inclined to believe you.