Wasyl's Elbow - What's the fuss? No ban.

[Guest Col city fan]

What? **** off. Have you heard of Sergio Ramos?

Spot on...

[leicsmac]

What? **** off. Have you heard of Sergio Ramos?

 

 

(That said, where else thinks it's the only or predominant way to play the game? Actually, don't answer that. The Uruguayans will. )

[Ashley]

I haven't seen the replay from the video just yet however from the pictures it looks like an arm across the chest which players do anyway..

[Itsthejoeker]

He's a nutter, but he's our nutter and he seems to know enough of what he's doing to be able to cast doubt in the minds of refs and the FA.

 

That being said, the cheering and acceptance of the 'good hard defender' and the 'just kick the shite out of him!' mentaility by many football fans here is one of the reasons why the English national team is so far behind other leading nations.

 

Have you ever heard of this bloke?

 

[kingcarr21]

Come on Boing Boing. Where are you?? come out of your Brummie hole and say sorry to the Massive Pole for calling him an animal and kiss him better

 Were waiting......

[Fox Ulike]

I'm not even sure it was his elbow. More like a forearm.

 

Really not much in it... In fact it looks like Berahino might have been trying to 'do a Suarez' on our Pole.

 

[foxfanazer]

Not just saying this because he plays for us but there really was nothing in this. Glad he hasn't been banned

[65RosesFox]

What? **** off. Have you heard of Sergio Ramos?

 

Pepe

Edgar Davids back in the day

De Jong

Materazzi

Roy Keane

Gatusso

 

all arguably world class players who took no nonsense.

[leicsmac]

Pepe

Edgar Davids back in the day

De Jong

Materazzi

Roy Keane

Gatusso

 

all arguably world class players who took no nonsense.

 

I think the point is being missed here.

 

Of course there are loads and loads of hard bastards who play football around the world, but there aren't many places where what they do is lionised and (this is the important part) held up as the right or best way to play the game all the time. 

 

There is a difference in attitude towards the predominant style of play between England and most of the rest of the footballing nations, which is fed into and encouraged by most of the fanbases here, and it costs us on the international stage these days. 

[Fox Ulike]

I think the point is being missed here.

 

Of course there are loads and loads of hard bastards who play football around the world, but there aren't many places where what they do is lionised and (this is the important part) held up as the right or best way to play the game all the time. 

 

There is a difference in attitude towards the predominant style of play between England and most of the rest of the footballing nations, which is fed into and encouraged by most of the fanbases here, and it costs us on the international stage these days. 

 

Not sure that really holds true. Wasyl is actually a good example. Why do you think Anderlecht fans continue to support him after he left the club?

 

Aggressive and combative players are lionised the world over, in all Sports. This isn't a perculiar English thang.

[leicsmac]

Not sure that really holds true. Wasyl is actually a good example. Why do you think Anderlecht fans continue to support him after he left the club?

 

Aggressive and combative players are lionised the world over, in all Sports. This isn't a perculiar English thang.

 

I know, hence my use of the phrase 'all the time'. Folk in other nations like them because they bring a little something extra in entertainment value to the team. Many English fans think they represent the way the game should be played full stop. That's the difference I'm referring to.

[Fox Ulike]

I know, hence my use of the phrase 'all the time'. Folk in other nations like them because they bring a little something extra in entertainment value to the team. Many English fans think they represent the way the game should be played full stop. That's the difference I'm referring to.

 

Well that’s just nonsense.

 

How can you possibly say why 'folk in other nations' like aggressive players? That’s around 6.9 billion people who you’re lumping together and saying that they all agree with you.

 

As for the English, I’m yet to meet a football fan who thinks that the way the game should be played is by elbowing people in the face.

 

English fans lionise players like Paul Gascoigne. Not David Batty.

 

When you’re in a hole, STOP DIGGING!

[The Doctor]

mate ur loco look thru the problems look at the replay again nd ull see was clearly meant to hit berahino have you ever played football let alone as a centreback? u can do that buts that not skill its not sportsmenlike behaviour there is one thing using ur body to get between the player and the ball nd another to hit him

 

i like was but as a centreback for my school i was not happy to see that

 

Bullshit - he's made himself big and blocked berahino off - he's not gone to hit him in the slightest. When you're a kid, making yourself big when shielding the ball is pretty much the first thing you're taught. It's a perfectly good move from Wasyl.

[leicsmac]

Well that’s just nonsense.

How can you possibly say why 'folk in other nations' like aggressive players? That’s around 6.9 billion people who you’re lumping together and saying that they all agree with you.

As for the English, I’m yet to meet a football fan who thinks that the way the game should be played is by elbowing people in the face.

English fans lionise players like Paul Gascoigne. Not David Batty.

When you’re in a hole, STOP DIGGING!

I apologise for the generalisation. I try to avoid then normally, but that was a bad one on my part.

But wouldn't you at least agree there is something of a difference between what most (not all) English fans would call good football and what most (not all) fans on the Continent and in other places would call good football? And that there is as least a possibility that this attitude (amongst many many other factors) contributes to England lagging behind many other major footballing nations on the international stage?

I'm not saying all English fans idolize thuggish players, I'm saying that the style of football appreciated by the majority here is different to other places. Where is our next Gazza, for instance? Is he getting a chance at youth level, even though he might be smaller and weaker than his peers?

We don't seem to know what to do with players like him, even though we know how good they are.

[Dickov22]

Those people complaining about Was have obviously never played the game. It was a harmless challenge, he left his elbow in, but it was a not a swinging vicious blow. The forward was pretty pathetic in his moaning.

I was at Chelsea this season and watching Cahill and Terry swinging their elbows into our players was a lesson in how to show who was boss.

You have to win your personal battles in football and we have been found wanting over the last few games. I thought Was was extremely professional and apart from one bad pass was assured in everything he did. Just wished he had a strikers instinct and scored just after halftime.

Ha ha Shearer and Keown both said it was a deliberate elbow. Pretty sure they played the game

[foxfanazer]

mate i call bullshit on u have u even played football i doubt it ive been a defender for 11 years nd vice-captained my school nd never once did i consider smacking someone with an elbow and call it part of my job absolute nonsense u can do a shoulder to shoulder and was would have still booted berhaino out of the ground but elbowing is disgraseful

babylad did you used to be a defender mate? Apologies if it's already been mentioned

[The Doctor]

mate i call bullshit on u have u even played football i doubt it ive been a defender for 11 years nd vice-captained my school nd never once did i consider smacking someone with an elbow and call it part of my job absolute nonsense u can do a shoulder to shoulder and was would have still booted berhaino out of the ground but elbowing is disgraseful

 

I played regularly from primary school to A-levels as a defender for the first few years, moving back to keeper afterwards - If one of my players had been sent off for that I'd have pretty much given up and gone and played a more physical game like perhaps cricket - he's not smacked him with an elbow, he's put him arm up, in a fairly normal shielding position, and berahino has ran into it. There's nothing in it, it's hardly an elbow, let alone deliberate. 

[Witch]

mate i call bullshit on u have u even played football i doubt it ive been a defender for 11 years nd vice-captained my school nd never once did i consider smacking someone with an elbow and call it part of my job absolute nonsense u can do a shoulder to shoulder and was would have still booted berhaino out of the ground but elbowing is disgraseful

Well, Wasyl did not smack Berahino with an elbow, so what's actually your problem here?

[The Doctor]

lets just put it this way if you were my partner in defence id school u in training everyda instead of shitting myself each game cos ud get a red card for no reason  

 

And I'd advise you to move out onto the wing, because you're too much of a fancy-dan to be an effective defender if you consider shielding the ball to be a red card offence. 

[foxfanazer]

And I'd advise you to move out onto the wing, because you're too much of a fancy-dan to be an effective defender if you consider shielding the ball to be a red card offence.

This. Can't believe this is even an issue

[babylad92]

And I'd advise you to move out onto the wing, because you're too much of a fancy-dan to be an effective defender if you consider shielding the ball to be a red card offence. 

 

 

elbowing someone in the face purposely isnt shielding the ball mate im around 6"3' nearly 200lbs shielding the ball is the last of my worries

[The Doctor]

elbowing someone in the face purposely isnt shielding the ball mate im around 6"3' nearly 200lbs shielding the ball is the last of my worries

 

Correct - and that's not Wasyl has done. He's put his arms out, made himself big and Berahino has ran into them. It's not deliberate, it's not an elbow.

 

Oh, also do love that you think nearing 200lb is big at 6'3" - I'm 225lb at that height and fairly thin still.

[Corky]

Why are we even comparing an after school kickabout (I know they were official matches but come on) with top level professional football and the pressure on those games? 

 

Yeah, you probably wouldn't have elbowed some kid when you were 12. Chances are he wasn't a brilliant finisher with blistering pace.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

This. Can't believe this is even an issue

 

Without sounding like a complete martyr, I had a very similar thing happen to me in training when I was playing the other night and it did hurt, but I didn't feel the need to throw myself on the floor. We didn't stop and after my team mate asked if I was alright, I was fine.

 

Pearson's right it's solid defending, and it does hurt if you get hit in the wrong spot but not so much to seek medical attention. It's pathetic this is now part of the game, I saw a Sunderland defender do it last night. There's a massive difference between protecting the ball and deliberately elbowing someone.

 

Berahinio is a pathetic child, god knows how much he cried when one of his own team mates punched him at the end of last season.

[foxfanazer]

Without sounding like a complete martyr, I had a very similar thing happen to me in training when I was playing the other night and it did hurt, but I didn't feel the need to throw myself on the floor. We didn't stop and after my team mate asked if I was alright, I was fine.

Pearson's right it's solid defending, and it does hurt if you get hit in the wrong spot but not so much to seek medical attention. It's pathetic this is now part of the game, I saw a Sunderland defender do it last night. There's a massive difference between protecting the ball and deliberately elbowing someone.

Berahinio is a pathetic child, god knows how much he cried when one of his own team mates punched him at the end of last season.

Spot on mate. When I used to play things loke that would spur me on to do better. Get up show you're not rattled and bag a goal