Deucalion Posted 8 November 2014 Posted 8 November 2014 The last time Pearson had a prolonged spell of poor form the reason seemed to be trouble makers in the dressing room. Pearson made his comments about 'delusions of grandeur' and several players were exiled away from the first team dressing room to keep them from spreading dissent. Could something like this be happening now? We again have a situation where some players are presumably on much more than others. We have had new players who have disappeared off the radar and existing players who have said unwise things in the press. We also have players who you would expect to be in the first team who are being frozen out. If this pure speculation is anything like right, then the last time it was responsible for Leicester finishing outside the playoffs. One thing which seems apparent to me is the extra intensity around being in the PL. The press took no notice of this at Leicester previously, and most fans were content to give Pearson time to sort it out, once it became apparent what was happening. I always supported Pearson that season and I believed the manager should do whatever it took to stamp his authority onto the team. This season I seem to have far less patience because I am more aware of the cost of not reaching our target this season, being staying in the PL. Will Pearson survive another power struggle?
lgfualol Posted 8 November 2014 Posted 8 November 2014 Changing formations every 5 minutes doesn't seem to help. We went from creating goals/attacking/no fear of teams to Pearson making us play for 0-0s and playing 10 centre mids in one match.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 8 November 2014 Posted 8 November 2014 Did we play all that well against Man U? I suspect our result against Man U said more about Man U this season than it did about us.
ImBlue Posted 8 November 2014 Posted 8 November 2014 Did we play all that well against Man U? I suspect our result against Man U said more about Man U this season than it did about us. Agreed, the fact we conceded 3 was masked by the fact we scored with every shot, something that doesn't happen often. And a lot was down to calamitous defending or bad refereeing. Not much has changed, were still not good enough for this league.
Deucalion Posted 8 November 2014 Author Posted 8 November 2014 I think we did play well against Man U. At the very least it showed a huge amount of spirit and belief to come back from behind and then push on. Did teams figure us out after Man U?
Corky Posted 8 November 2014 Posted 8 November 2014 Did we play all that well against Man U? I suspect our result against Man U said more about Man U this season than it did about us. It was an amazing half an hour after being outplayed for 60 minutes. The relentlessness (is that a word?) of that 30 minutes is what we need to replicate because we played some really good football at a quick tempo.
PAULCFC Posted 8 November 2014 Posted 8 November 2014 In a word...No.Anyone who goes down the KP knows what's gone on with AK and another of our squad(alledgelly)...but i can't see why RM has been left out for so long.
Bettsj2 Posted 8 November 2014 Posted 8 November 2014 Well Gary Taylor Fletcher was told to train with the U21's then shipped out on loan. Maybe we're back to him not being able to handle big personalities.
Deucalion Posted 8 November 2014 Author Posted 8 November 2014 In a word...No.Anyone who goes down the KP knows what's gone on with AK and another of our squad(alledgelly)...but i can't see why RM has been left out for so long. I've been going down every two weeks or so for around 25 years and I don't know. Please tell !! Don't you think there's a hint of Max Gradel with Mahrez? People will be hugely disappointed when he finally starts and doesn't turn out to be the answer to all our problems.
Out Foxed Posted 8 November 2014 Posted 8 November 2014 well according to someone close to the dressing room there are some rumblings about discontent that began with the palace game and certain questions over formation or team selection. who knows though.
Stuliasz Posted 8 November 2014 Posted 8 November 2014 Did we play all that well against Man U? I suspect our result against Man U said more about Man U this season than it did about us. Not sure I agree with this. Four defeats doesn't turn a performance that was heralded at the time as one of our best ever into a giveaway by the opposition. We beat Man Utd because we showed consistent attacking intent throughout. That intent cost us three goals but also exposed their defence with five. Trying to expose opposition defences is what we need to do more of - Sunderland and QPR have two of the worst defences in the division so we need to focus on how to break them down.
Dan Posted 8 November 2014 Posted 8 November 2014 I have absolutely no idea - and that is what scares me. This his hit me even more than the last bad run. The fact it's happened again just gives me this negative feeling that we're never too far from a complete and utter capitulation. This isn't bad form - this is an absolute crumbling.
Karljohn Posted 8 November 2014 Posted 8 November 2014 Big wages to Cambiasso maybe? Rest of the squad pissed off with it?
Gubbins Posted 8 November 2014 Posted 8 November 2014 The last time a Pearson side had a prolonged period of poor form was Feb-May two seasons ago. I don't recall any serious accusations of it being down to troublemakers in the dressing room. You seem to be referring more to the season before that and even then the form was just mediocre rather than outright poor.
Deucalion Posted 8 November 2014 Author Posted 8 November 2014 I kind of get the four central midfielders. It was said that when we won a corner, we were in more danger of conceding than the team defending the corner. For me, this was because we were weak in central midfield and teams could break through us like butter. Against WBA I thought we did much better at winning the ball back, although this was at the expense of having no attacking outlet on the wings. The trick is to keep the solidity in midfield without destroying our attacking intent. But...I think our poor run is turning into a collapse and as I have said in the original post, I'm beginning to suspect it goes beyond tactics and is something psychological.
Benji Posted 8 November 2014 Posted 8 November 2014 We went into the first five games expecting nothing, playing high intensity, attacking football and it played to our strengths. We seem to have gone into the next five not wanting to get beat (admitted in most of Pearson's post-match interviews), maybe because we're playing against the teams we, and I use this lightly, "should be picking points up at". We should have just continued to kick on and played to win, focusing on our game rather than setting up to the opposition. We're now deflated, chopping and changing the team each week and we look a million miles away from the first five games. I really hope we're not sat here in May thinking "what if we'd have gone at it all season". I think we'll be fine, just. Points in the next two games would be huge for confidence.
stevelcfc Posted 8 November 2014 Posted 8 November 2014 You could make a whole season of Breaking Bad out of the made up 'dissent' thats everyone seems to know is going on. It may be as simple as not being good enough. I know shock horror, how abstract a proposition is that!
UpTheLeagueFox Posted 8 November 2014 Posted 8 November 2014 Maybe there's nothing sinister - perhaps it's just mistakes from players and management combined.
Deucalion Posted 8 November 2014 Author Posted 8 November 2014 Like that cup game (Huddersfield?) where we changed a winning team and lost all momentum? That was a bugger to turn around.
Dan Posted 8 November 2014 Posted 8 November 2014 I kind of get the four central midfielders. It was said that when we won a corner, we were in more danger of conceding than the team defending the corner. For me, this was because we were weak in central midfield and teams could break through us like butter. Against WBA I thought we did much better at winning the ball back, although this was at the expense of having no attacking outlet on the wings. The trick is to keep the solidity in midfield without destroying our attacking intent. But...I think our poor run is turning into a collapse and as I have said in the original post, I'm beginning to suspect it goes beyond tactics and is something psychological. It's without a doubt destroyed our attacking intent. We aren't solid enough defensively (though improved in my opinion) to rely on that and we just won't score any goals. I genuinely cannot see us scoring more than a goal every two games
GingerrrFox Posted 8 November 2014 Posted 8 November 2014 The problem we have is that the squad is quite large (albeit lacking quality in certain areas), Nigel even said himself when asked about player's potentially going out on loan, "I can manage a few unhappy, grumpy players around the training ground". No matter what players say about a harmonious atmosphere amongst the squad, majority of it is bollocks. 90% of players have such self belief that they think they should start every game as they are the best in their position. When the team is winning not much can be said about formation/tactics/selection but as soon as results turn all players start piping (much like the fans) about where we are going wrong.
Kitchandro Posted 8 November 2014 Posted 8 November 2014 Agreed, the fact we conceded 3 was masked by the fact we scored with every shot, something that doesn't happen often. And a lot was down to calamitous defending or bad refereeing. Not much has changed, were still not good enough for this league. Sorry but, what? This is just a typical moronic comment from someone who jumps to conclusions when we're doing badly. The kind of person I've been criticising a lot recently. 'Arr we're not good enough. Players aren't good enough. Simple as that. We didn't buy enough quality. Got championship players. Not played well once. All decent results have been lucky' Yeh, you're that kind of poster. I watched one of our best performances in many a year. I don't care if the penalty shouldn't have been given or if Man Utd aren't great defensively, or if they outclassed us in periods of the match. We played brilliantly and thoroughly deserved the win against the most expensive team ever. We conceded 3 because their attack is unbelievable. Not because we're shit (besides how lucky was their 3rd goal???) We took the piss in the last 20. We were better than Arsenal too. Matched Everton. Matched Chelsea for long periods. Looked totally in control of Stoke once Cambiasso and Drinkwater came on. We were obviously good enough in our first 5 games, we only lost to Chelsea away. Like it or not a lot has changed in our style, that has been the difference. There's no 'oh maybe we missed that we were shit in our first few games as well', so you can forget that idea. We were great on the whole until after the Man Utd game and we have shot ourselves in the foot since. People like you unfortunately seem to think it makes you look clever to claim we were never good enough and that we got carried away with good fortune, when in fact that sort of thing, when incorrect, only highlights your lack of understanding.
KentyLCFC Posted 9 November 2014 Posted 9 November 2014 Simple. We think we're better than what we are and that's starting to show now. We need to go back to the basic 442 with high tempo passing and closing down the opposition. Also i hate how people are saying the international break has come at a good time to give us "time to regroup" "recover from the defeat" "learn from the positives" etc.. The players are elite athletes who should be able to perform week in week out regardless off any past results.
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