kingfox Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 Lot of stick for Jeff of late, some saying he is useless at everything including passing a ball... Pass Success Percentage 1)Andy King - 88.8% 2)Dean Hammond - 85% 3)Danny Drinkwater - 81% 4)Matty James - 80.7% 5)Liam Moore - 79.4% 6)Jeff Schlupp - 78.5% 7)Riyad Mahrez - 77.7% 8)Wes Morgan - 77.4% 9)Esteban Cambiasso - 76.8% 10)Paul Konchesky - 76.1% 11)Leonardo Ulloa - 74.1% 12)David Nugent - 73.9% 13)Richie De Laet - 71% 14)Marcin Wasilewski - 70.8% 15)Jamie Vardy - 69.8% So Schlupp is a better passer of the ball than nine of our players. Meanwhile is it time to start playing King or Hammond again, we can now see why they performed a successful partnership at the start of the season, because they are good at keeping the ball. Cambiasso has the worst pass success rate out of our midfielders, is that something we should be concerned about, or is it simply because he is a bit too adventurous at times?
GingerrrFox Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 Lot of stick for Jeff of late, some saying he is useless at everything including passing a ball... Pass Success Percentage 1)Andy King - 88.8% 2)Dean Hammond - 85% 3)Danny Drinkwater - 81% 4)Matty James - 80.7% 5)Liam Moore - 79.4% 6)Jeff Schlupp - 78.5% 7)Riyad Mahrez - 77.7% 8)Wes Morgan - 77.4% 9)Esteban Cambiasso - 76.8% 10)Paul Konchesky - 76.1% 11)Leonardo Ulloa - 74.1% 12)David Nugent - 73.9% 13)Richie De Laet - 71% 14)Marcin Wasilewski - 70.8% 15)Jamie Vardy - 69.8% So Schlupp is a better passer of the ball than nine of our players. Meanwhile is it time to start playing King or Hammond again, we can now see why they performed a successful partnership at the start of the season, because they are good at keeping the ball. Cambiasso has the worst pass success rate out of our midfielders, is that something we should be concerned about, or is it simply because he is a bit too adventurous at times? A better statistic would be how many key passes do they complete in a game. The stats are warped by Dean Hammond doing nothing but passing sideways or backwards.
Guest MattP Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 Do you not think these stats are misleading given they don't attach importance to how difficult the passes are that they are trying? If anyone is seriously going to try and put up an argument that Schulpp and Morgan are better passers of a football than Cambiasso then we are looking at the wrong things.
Fox92 Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 Cambiasso is going to have a worse statistic because he is adventurous and tries to create - often being too clever for the other players. Hammond and King are going to have a better statistic of keeping the ball because they pass sidewards and backwards a lot. That's not a problem of course, it's just their game. I think that list is not comparable KF. Agree with Scouse too, Schlupp is pretty useless. His pace is a good asset, of which he rarely uses, while he also lacks the ability to make a decision - the right decision.
ScouseFox Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 a better idea would be to ignore one off statistics, watch a game of football that schlupp is involved in and base your opinion on that. he is not very good. it's a shame and i get why people really try to want him to be good, but some people want him to be good so much they are happy to ignore the fact that he isn't. the sad things seems to be that nigel is one of these people.
StanSP Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 I remember Rob Mackenzie, in one of his blogs, mentioning that passing stats like this mean very little. It's about the quality of pass and not necessarily the quantity (in terms of percentage). Couldn't agree more with him. This isn't to do a disservice to those who have good passing stats, but it doesn't really matter unless you refine the stats further.
Brooksy Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 To be fair to him he's done alright in the past few games but he's not good enough for the Prem.
Stadt Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszone/8-2014/matches/755436/player-stats/86417/1_PASS_01#tabs-wrapper-anchor Not great.
kingfox Posted 5 December 2014 Author Posted 5 December 2014 Cambiasso is going to have a worse statistic because he is adventurous and tries to create - often being too clever for the other players. Hammond and King are going to have a better statistic of keeping the ball because they pass sidewards and backwards a lot. That's not a problem of course, it's just their game. I think that list is not comparable KF. Agree with Scouse too, Schlupp is pretty useless. His pace is a good asset, of which he rarely uses, while he also lacks the ability to make a decision - the right decision. Point made, but don't a lot of midfielders pass sideways & backwards? Is it sometimes best to keep it simple & keep the ball, instead of being adventurous then giving it away? I just wanted to get views of can you actually take anything from those stats? TBH look at players like De Laet & Konchesky, the way some fans have moaned about them this season, it's hardly a surprise to see them low down when it comes to keeping the ball.
Dan Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 These stats are largely meaningless as they try and simplify something that has so many variables. Are you going to try and claim Schlupp is a better passer of the ball than Mahrez?
Guest Col city fan Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 Cambiasso..are you kidding! Please tell me you're kidding!
Bettsj2 Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 I'd like to know an injuries to game percentage that Jeff has inflicted injuries on the opposition.
Guest Col city fan Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 Cambiasso is going to have a worse statistic because he is adventurous and tries to create - often being too clever for the other players. Hammond and King are going to have a better statistic of keeping the ball because they pass sidewards and backwards a lot. That's not a problem of course, it's just their game. I think that list is not comparable KF. Agree with Scouse too, Schlupp is pretty useless. His pace is a good asset, of which he rarely uses, while he also lacks the ability to make a decision - the right decision. I don't know..people would go to ANY lengths to protect Cambiasso's world class stature.Eh MC? (Couldn't resist...) I suspect you're right mate. Trying a better pass will result in not making it as often. Or he's crap?
dogadug Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 Cambiasso..are you kidding! Please tell me you're kidding! You're boring
Dan Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 Cambiasso's the best passer of a ball we've had in absolutely years. He gives it away occasionally but he can split a defence open out of nothing with some of his. Mahrez is the next best. Some of his through balls are superb.
Fox92 Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 I don't know..people would go to ANY lengths to protect Cambiasso's world class stature. Eh MC? (Couldn't resist...) I suspect you're right mate. Trying a better pass will result in not making it as often. Or he's crap? I'm not protecting him, I generally feel he is our best player along with Ulloa. His ability to read the game is brilliant, as I thought it would be. The chance against Liverpool he missed, was a chance created through his ability of reading what was going to happen regardless of the miss. His finish at QPR was top quality. Most of our players would have smashed the ball out of Loftus Road, he passed it into the net. But yeah, trying the more harder pass will not constantly result in 100% accuracy. His first time passes are ridiculously brilliant but too quick for our strikers to even read.
Donut Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 Do you not think these stats are misleading given they don't attach importance to how difficult the passes are that they are trying? If anyone is seriously going to try and put up an argument that Schulpp and Morgan are better passers of a football than Cambiasso then we are looking at the wrong things. Exactly. Badly interpreted statistics.
Danno Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 Yep must be soooo difficult passing it 5 yards back to Konchesky every game.
Guest Col city fan Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 This thread has shown already and will continue to show the way in which people will interpret stats to make an argument. Rest assured, if Cambiasso had been top of the list, the typical comment would have probably been along the lines of 'there ya go, told ya so'. Because he's not, few will look at the stats and think 'oh, thats interesting, I wasn't expecting that'. Instead, it will be the type of pass that is defended.
Dan Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 Apart from it was pretty obvious he wouldn't be top given the nature of some of his passing. I can accept having a player who'll risk losing the ball if the risk could potentially bring a goal.
Captain... Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 The point is clear that he has a decent pass completion rate, he is not shit and is able to keep the ball. I don't get the hate for Jeff we look a lot more secure down the left with Jeff and Konch double teaming and he poses a goal threat. Yes he is a bit wayward at times but I think he is key to playing a 442. He's got a big future but he isn't there yet and will make mistakes. I guess it depends if you want nurture a good talent or destroy the confidence of a young player.
l444ry Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 Cambiasso is light years ahead of anyone else in our squad. To dispute this is to just be a troublemaker seeking attention.
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