That has to be it. Pearson needs to go.

[MC Prussian]

I run SW foxes (Facebook) which I posted on a lot last season and it took up all my time...check Facebook.

This season I have abandoned that page because I don't particularly want my non Leicester City supporting friends seeing endless reams of negative shite (justifiably so) plus I wanted a bigger audience for passionate opinions this I am here and whether you like it or not to stay...unlike Pearson (you may not enjoy that fact but sadly its reality)

So do you admit you only posted that much on Facebook last season because of the fantastic run and our automatic promotion? Do you need Facebook to show off and to brag about your club? If you are indeed a real fan, then you'll surely accept the good times with the bad ones and stand firm on your ground, even if it means taking a battering from opposing fans or other Leicester followers.

 

If it is success and appreciation you're after, why not supporting another club? Or, putting it differently, how did you survive the past thirty-odd years?

 

I don't care whether you stay one here or not, as long as you keep on arguing on a sensible basis. If it's passion you're seeking, you're in the right spot. But beware - please bring along some sense, too. For everything else, there's Bentleys Roof.

[Guest Col city fan]

I think the Thais may not have a clue what they are doing and this is costing us. If we had a board who who had acted about 5 or 6 games ago and got in a decent replacement we may still be in with a chance but their lack of action may see us go down with a whimper. Trouble is I don't think I trust them to get the right replacement in after the Sousa /Sven appointments.

However good they may be financially for us they don't seem to know what it takes to take the club forward now we have got promoted. They have sat back for too long on this one I'm afraid.

It either shows:

A. You're right...they don't have a scooby.

B: They are even more loyal to Pearson than some on this forum.

I don't think its about money particularly. Staying in the Prem would save far far more money than sacking Pearson.

I fear it's the former too.

[st albans fox]

But you all have no idea if Nige was let down by those charged with getting in players during the close season. If that was the case, how can they sack him?

from what I've heard, he isn't under any pressure from within the club and I can only assume the above to be the reason. Of course if he buys crap in jan or gets some quality in and we don't improve, then I expect he could be on his way.

[Mark_w]

It either shows:

A. You're right...they don't have a scooby.

B: They are even more loyal to Pearson than some on this forum.

I don't think its about money particularly. Staying in the Prem would save far far more money than sacking Pearson.

I fear it's the former too.

 

C: Like the 60% in our poll on here, they've looked at all the facts and come to the conclusion we'd be best off sticking with him.

[inckley fox]

All that drama. This plethora of pathos. Like I've said, if the board would really go after results, by logic Pearson should've been sacked a lot earlier, as early as this past summer.

I don't know how many pundits you listen to, but I've yet to see the majority of them giving a verdict on Pearson's success at this club so far. The Championship years have pretty much been covered, but they'll clearly wait until the end of the season at least in order to look at the bigger picture.

 

Hiring and firing on a constant basis may be the basis for short-term success, but it doesn't automatically rectify problems in the long run. Consistency and a solid financial basis are equally important. In the business world, you'll find equally as many examples for successful business models on either side. It's merely a matter of personal taste which one you opt for.

 

I'm not sure who the pathos is for right now. Does that make NP our tragic hero, then?

 

We're not talking hiring and firing on a constant basis. We're talking about, what, the third or fourth longest serving manager at any club in this division?

 

And that bigger picture you refer to will be dictated by results' and specifically to how results compare with expectations of results. How we look back on his success will be dictated by results. We don't consider Gillies a greater success than Nicholson because his team only lost the game due to a freak injury to one of his best players. We don't consider the 1969 Final to be a victorious one because we outplayed Man City, even though we lost. Results dictate success. Which great managers out there, either in our history or in anyone else's, didn't actually get results out of their sides, but played pretty well nevertheless?

 

And if we're talking business, and taking financial provisions into account, then we should still be doing a lot better than Burnley at the moment. And a great deal better than we are doing.

 

Our lack of resources, if there is a lack of resources, is not so great that it makes 2 points from over a third of a Premier League season anything other than a total disaster.

[paulsherwood1]

So you don't offer praise when the times are good? Only moan when bad, the worst kind of person...

Your boring me now.....

[The Doctor]

C: Like the 60% in our poll on here, they've looked at all the facts and come to the conclusion we'd be best off sticking with him.

 

Yeah, but they disagree with col so they must be wrong. 

[inckley fox]

good points.

I agree about people ( like me ) re-surfacing. And I guess the reason is that ultimately all I care about is lcfc ( as you say ). As long as the manager is doing the job he is employed for then I'm happy. If I see my club going down the premiership pan so easily, then I shout out. So,

Your right! But a much more articulate way of saying it than some!

 

None of this means that you aren't a proper fan of course. Or right, on this occasion!

[Guest Col city fan]

C: Like the 60% in our poll on here, they've looked at all the facts and come to the conclusion we'd be best off sticking with him.

You ignored my question earlier..how long do you give him? No b/s answer...till the end of the season whatever happens?

[5waller5]

Another futile point. I couldn't careless if he was paid £5 or £50 million. Why do you care? So has he failed yet or failing?

 

 

It's not a futile point.

 

Someone on £5 an hour would be expected to not be a high performer.

 

Someone on £1m+ must be a high performer.

 

When they don't perform to those standards they get sacked.

 

NP is failing miserably, but now you want to split hairs about whether he has already failed ..... I'd say that a mid season review of Christmas would be a reasonable time to assess whether he's succeeding or not. And I think it's pretty clear that the verdict is "failing".

[yorkie1999]

I think the Thais may not have a clue what they are doing and this is costing us. If we had a board who who had acted about 5 or 6 games ago and got in a decent replacement we may still be in with a chance but their lack of action may see us go down with a whimper. Trouble is I don't think I trust them to get the right replacement in after the Sousa /Sven appointments.

However good they may be financially for us they don't seem to know what it takes to take the club forward now we have got promoted. They have sat back for too long on this one I'm afraid.

so basicaly you're saying the owners should sack themselves then. Wonder what the compo on that will be.

[Guest Col city fan]

Yeah, but they disagree with col so they must be wrong.

Eh? I was giving some suggestions regarding why he's not yet been sacked? There's no point asking you, you'll just trawl out the same nonsense over and over. I think probably Mark is right actually... They are sticking with him whatever? Either that, or they don't have a scooby.

Either way, I don't think its about paying him off.

[tickler28]

So do you admit you only posted that much on Facebook last season because of the fantastic run and our automatic promotion? Do you need Facebook to show off and to brag about your club? If you are indeed a real fan, then you'll surely accept the good times with the bad ones and stand firm on your ground, even if it means taking a battering from opposing fans or other Leicester followers.

If it is success and appreciation you're after, why not supporting another club? Or, putting it differently, how did you survive the past thirty-odd years?

I don't care whether you stay one here or not, as long as you keep on arguing on a sensible basis. If it's passion you're seeking, you're in the right spot. But beware - please bring along some sense, too. For everything else, there's Bentleys Roof.

How am I supposed to find the time to be on here arguing with you and run SW Foxes.... I support my club through thick and thin but shoot me if when the chips are down I'm not happy. Tell me....does it even bother you if we win or lose? Do you care if we get promoted or indeed relegated or are you more interested in winding up every Leicester City fan on this forum who dares challenge your opinion?

Furthermore you missed the point. SW Foxes to me was fun when I was posting about last season. It however did not attract a huge amount of debate thus I lost interest. I took it over as. FUN but will ALWAYS support Leicester City come rain or shine. My wife bloody hates how badly I'm affected by the Leicester results but I can't help it...its in my blood. I was there when we won the League Cup and I was there when I was drenched watching Carl bloomin Cort v Plymouth...I was there when Claridge shinned it in and Collymore scored his hat trick and I was there when we lost to Bristol City due to a mistake by Chris Weale.

I have no interest in even entertaining the thought of supporting another club and for you to even suggest it disgusts me. You question peoples loyalties and support like you are the best supporter the club has ever had you make me sick. I don't know how you can even begin to question whether someone supports a club unless they are young and starting out.

Finally if you think Pearson should stay good for you. We agree to disagree but don't ever dare question peoples support when you don't have a f****** clue who I am and what I've been through with this club I will love and support till I die!!

[Mark_w]

You ignored my question earlier..how long do you give him? No b/s answer...till the end of the season whatever happens?

 

I ignored the question because I'd already answered it in this thread minutes before you asked and I'm getting six of answering it to be honest. Especially as you've already seen the answer before.

 

Well it took him one extra year in the Championship, what makes you think he can't get us up again and handle things better next time? Or that he can't fix things in January? I think he deserves at the very least the full season.

 

As I've said before, I'd start to question if we're outside the top six of the Championship at the end of next season.

[Guest Col city fan]

How am I supposed to find the time to be on here arguing with you and run SW Foxes.... I support my club through thick and thin but shoot me if when the chips are down I'm not happy. Tell me....dies it even bother you if we win or lose? Do you care if we get promoted or indeed relegated or are you more interested in winding up every Leicester City fan on this forum who darrs challenge your opinion?

Best post in the thread.....

MC didn't answer my earlier question...

I ignored the question because I'd already answered it in this thread minutes before you asked and I'm getting six of answering it to be honest. Especially as you've already seen the answer before.

So, hypothetically, the full season even if it means relegation?

[Mark_w]

 I think probably Mark is right actually... They are sticking with him whatever? Either that, or they don't have a scooby.

 

How on Earth did you come to the conclusion that I think that's the case? I think they're not sacking him because so far they've proved to be pretty sensible, and can see that he is the best long term option.

So, hypothetically, the full season even if it means relegation?

 

Sorry did you miss it the last 1,000,000 times I said it?

Yes I would give him the full season.

[ADK]

I think the Hull game will be important. We've had some better performances of late but mostly against stronger teams, now we face a "weaker" side, will we get the 3 points?

 

If the answer is yes, or if we get at least a point and do well in terms of possession and pass completion, then it will suggest we are moving in the right direction. If it's the same old or we regress then I can't see us avoiding relegation, as for Pearson, I think it is too late to change the manager.

[BigMicky]

Your boring me now.....

Obviously not as you keep replying, your still clueless.

[inckley fox]

C: Like the 60% in our poll on here, they've looked at all the facts and come to the conclusion we'd be best off sticking with him.

 

You're not daft enough to place too much stock in a half-hearted Foxestalk poll which has been up for an hour. It's unlikely to represent the majority view. If we lose our next game, make no mistake, support for him will plummet.

 

And I'm not sure which facts you're referring to here, Mark. Which facts tell us that Pearson can be a competent top flight manager for us some day? There's a lot of conjecture and 'what ifs' and talk of fine margins which aren't at all fine, but I don't see any facts.

 

The ones I'm looking at are the ones about us going on one of the worst runs in top flight history, and the ones about us having 8 players whose contracts expire in the summer, and others likely to leave. A lot of rebuilding needs to be done. If, and only if Pearson can make progress as a manager at this level, I'd advocate him being the best man for the upcoming overhaul - and to begin that in January. But there have to be improvements, both in the short-term and up to the end of the season.

 

Another honourable defeat really isn't enough. Managers are judged on results.

[BigMicky]

It's not a futile point.

Someone on £5 an hour would be expected to not be a high performer.

Someone on £1m+ must be a high performer.

When they don't perform to those standards they get sacked.

NP is failing miserably, but now you want to split hairs about whether he has already failed ..... I'd say that a mid season review of Christmas would be a reasonable time to assess whether he's succeeding or not. And I think it's pretty clear that the verdict is "failing".

The standards you have set or his employers?

[Guest Col city fan]

How on Earth did you come to the conclusion that I think that's the case? I think they're not sacking him because so far they've proved to be pretty sensible, and can see that he is the best long term option.

Sorry did you miss it the last 1,000,000 times I said it?

Yes I would give him the full season.

And then if we went down and didn't look like coming back up?

[The Doctor]

You're not daft enough to place too much stock in a half-hearted Foxestalk poll which has been up for an hour. It's unlikely to represent the majority view. If we lose our next game, make no mistake, support for him will plummet.

 

And I'm not sure which facts you're referring to here, Mark. Which facts tell us that Pearson can be a competent top flight manager for us some day? There's a lot of conjecture and 'what ifs' and talk of fine margins which aren't at all fine, but I don't see any facts.

 

The ones I'm looking at are the ones about us going on one of the worst runs in top flight history, and the ones about us having 8 players whose contracts expire in the summer, and others likely to leave. A lot of rebuilding needs to be done. If, and only if Pearson can make progress as a manager at this level, I'd advocate him being the best man for the upcoming overhaul - and to begin that in January. But there have to be improvements, both in the short-term and up to the end of the season.

 

Another honourable defeat really isn't enough. Managers are judged on results.

 

It matches previous polls and the weekly stay or go section of the match ratings. Seems fair to say we're still split more in favour of stay than go.

[5waller5]

The standards you have set or his employers?

 

Seriously? 

[MC Prussian]

I'm not sure who the pathos is for right now. Does that make NP our tragic hero, then?

 

We're not talking hiring and firing on a constant basis. We're talking about, what, the third or fourth longest serving manager at any club in this division?

 

And that bigger picture you refer to will be dictated by results' and specifically to how results compare with expectations of results. How we look back on his success will be dictated by results. We don't consider Gillies a greater success than Nicholson because his team only lost the game due to a freak injury to one of his best players. We don't consider the 1969 Final to be a victorious one because we outplayed Man City, even though we lost. Results dictate success. Which great managers out there, either in our history or in anyone else's, didn't actually get results out of their sides, but played pretty well nevertheless?

 

And if we're talking business, and taking financial provisions into account, then we should still be doing a lot better than Burnley at the moment. And a great deal better than we are doing.

 

Our lack of resources, if there is a lack of resources, is not so great that it makes 2 points from over a third of a Premier League season anything other than a total disaster.

The acceptance of success or failure in this league is different for most clubs, so for an established Top Six outfit, the bars are set at a different level compared to a newly-promoted team. Clubs like Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton, Manchester United or City hire and fire according to their expectations set at the start of a season or longer than that. Speaking of which, why aren't they sacking their managers more often? Is it because they are more tolerant of the limits of failure? Is it down to compensations? I doubt it - those clubs are so rich they could easily afford the money. Or is it because they do simply prefer to plan beyond one season alone?

 

We can only judge Pearson fully once his reign has come to an end and a few years have passed.

 

The owners have given Pearson the benefit of the doubt multiple times, even during rather bad spells. And in turn, he rewarded them with the first step to the kind of success they're longing for. Of course, results dictate success. How can you be successful without winning? However, the fans' expectations of success oftentimes collide with realism and in the case of Leicester, the natural status quo of this club is a hot topic and has always been open for discussion and interpretation. I'm not happy with the results, yet that doesn't automatically lead me to question the manager alone.

 

As for the comparison with Burnley, their owners are just as much being scrooges as our consortium right now. Both clubs have spent sensibly. We might edge it in the wages department, though.

[BigMicky]

Seriously?

Seriously...