That has to be it. Pearson needs to go.

[cjslcfc]

So does today's showing highlight managerial frailties or a lack of quality in the playing squad?

 

For me, it highlights that we lack the quality to take opportunities when we are on top. We also lack the quality to cut out defensive errors.

 

There are lots of problems but that bit of quality is missing and it is killing us.

[dayday]

I tend to agree with most of that, but Adams put together a ridiculously aged squad with the little money we had. We will be much better off financially with a younger group of players. I don't believe it'll be comfortable going back down however.

This and plus in Adams own words totally drained from the Le Manga affair,he had lost the desire.

[Esm253]

Pearson has yet worked on us getting to the top flight with and changing managers is never clever, however he is lacking ideas, some of his tactics are floored and I believe that maybe a change is needed.

[Arriba Los Zorros]

I have said before we should bring Pulis in. But it's likely too late now.

 

And contrary to the 'simplistic' view, Pulis played short passing fast counter-attacking football at Palace last season.

erm????

[sylofox]

You do also realise that competing at a higher level requires investment in better players???

 

I think you're so used to the Championship and have such low expectations of ever being anywhere else that your views are entirely based upon that league.

 

Which is probably a good job, because the manager you are defending is taking us straight back there.

Really yes he may be I put a thread on here a while ago with reference to our league status and squad value and the rst of the prem.

Most teams at the time were within a place or two of there value sotton up Liverpool down being the exceptions.

 

We neede to spend in the summer and for whatever reason we did not.

But the fact the dof has gone makes me feel he had a list and for whatever reason did not act on it leaving us in the shite.

But 50m in the summer may have been 6 or 7 of the players we need.

Now it may be 4 at most.

 

Yes I think we are going down without a huge turn around but would rather build with next season in mind.

Like some I never thought the 160m and euorope quote.

That spend over 2 seasons may get us mid table over 5 years we would just be a safe side unless they were all top end 21yr olds and we build on them.

Even so we have to stop up first.

 

Who knows our owners may be bagging millions in the bookies back home and happy about our position.

[BigMicky]

The owners aren't going anywhere so the only person that can go now has to.

For me it's now obvious that NP won't be able to attract any players of quality in Jan as we are stranded at the foot of the table. Get a new manager in .... bring his connections and players that trust in him in ..... Someone with experience of this level and who can pull players in because of his reputation. Yeah Pulis is the obvious answer, there may be others.

One things for sure. It's not NP

Who are the others? What's to say Pulis isn't interested and has already turned us down? Its fine that you want him out but who is going to turn it around??

[BigMicky]

Pearson has yet worked on us getting to the top flight with and changing managers is never clever, however he is lacking ideas, some of his tactics are floored and I believe that maybe a change is needed.

How were his tactics flawed today? Please enlighten us...

[Mark_w]

The owners aren't going anywhere so the only person that can go now has to.

 

For me it's now obvious that NP won't be able to attract any players of quality in Jan as we are stranded at the foot of the table. Get a new manager in .... bring his connections and players that trust in him in ..... Someone with experience of this level and who can pull players in because of his reputation. Yeah Pulis is the obvious answer, there may be others.

 

One things for sure. It's not NP

 

If you think we won't be able to attract any decent players stranded at the bottom of the Prem, what makes you think we'll be able to attract a decent manager? Why would Pulis choose us when basically every bottom half Premier League team would have him and eventually a chairman of a team in much better shape will panic? Pulis is very good at improving discipline and morale, that's not the problem we have, our problem is a lack of quality which can only be solved by the owners investing, and there's no reason to think that with more money, Nigel Pearson who snapped up some great players for the Championship on the cheap, and who was linked to the likes of Pelle and Inan in the summer, can't do just as well with that. Nigel snapped up Mahrez for about £400k in the Championship last year when no one had ever heard of him, I think giving Nigel some proper investment is our best chance of attracting good players to be honest.

[MC Prussian]

The owners aren't going anywhere so the only person that can go now has to.

 

For me it's now obvious that NP won't be able to attract any players of quality in Jan as we are stranded at the foot of the table. Get a new manager in .... bring his connections and players that trust in him in ..... Someone with experience of this level and who can pull players in because of his reputation. Yeah Pulis is the obvious answer, there may be others.

 

One things for sure. It's not NP

That's what they said and I do hope they're keeping their word (they do strike me as honest in their intentions) - but they still have the option to sell to whomever they want to if they see it fit. After all, they own the club.

 

Why is it down to the manager to attract players? There are many reasons why somebody would in fact want to join a Premier League team, no matter where it is positioned in the table.

If you say you want a new manager with his own favourites, can you imagine a scenario where that would then in turn upset the dressing room and cause a rift within the team?

 

Which other available manager out there with pedigree has "pulling power"? Sensible suggestions, please.

[Esm253]

How were his tactics flawed today? Please enlighten us...

Starting King and Nugent? He has plenty more quality in the team the that, fair enough squad rotation is good, however it is quite blatant he has his favourites and his disliked people.. not necessarily this game or the last couple we've been unlucky however they've been recently.

[Raj]

I said to my mate today we must get min 4 points from today,hull.Scouse to stay in the hunt.

For all the positives if today(and there defo here) its another loss.

You could argue it was 2 more defending errors...were.not learning again?

How many points behind do we need to be before we became a laughing stock?

I was so confident about today beforehand and all that went within 2 mins......NP must think he can do no wrong...has another manager lost 13 in a row and kept his job???

[Max Power]

If you think we won't be able to attract any decent players stranded at the bottom of the Prem, what makes you think we'll be able to attract a decent manager? Why would Pulis choose us when basically every bottom half Premier League team would have him and eventually a chairman of a team in much better shape will panic? Pulis is very good at improving discipline and morale, that's not the problem we have, our problem is a lack of quality which can only be solved by the owners investing, and there's no reason to think that with more money, Nigel Pearson who snapped up some great players for the Championship on the cheap, and who was linked to the likes of Pelle and Inan in the summer, can't do just as well with that. Nigel snapped up Mahrez for about £400k in the Championship last year when no one had ever heard of him, I think giving Nigel some proper investment is our best chance of attracting good players to be honest.

I disagree with your assessment of Pulis. His biggest strength, by far, is organising a defence. Which happens to be our biggest problem.

 

It's pointless though, becuase like you say, he wouldn't even come here if we offered it to him.

[BigMicky]

Starting King and Nugent? He has plenty more quality in the team the that, fair enough squad rotation is good, however it is quite blatant he has his favourites and his disliked people.. not necessarily this game or the last couple we've been unlucky however they've been recently.

Haha both of whom played well today... Next

[Guest Col city fan]

I disagree with your assessment of Pulis. His biggest strength, by far, is organising a defence. Which happens to be our biggest problem.

It's pointless though, becuase like you say, he wouldn't even come here if we offered it to him.

Yeah he would. It's a challenge isn't it? A big one. Pay him a good salary with an excellent bonus if we avoided relegation..he'd join.

[Jace]

Starting King and Nugent? He has plenty more quality in the team the that, fair enough squad rotation is good, however it is quite blatant he has his favourites and his disliked people.. not necessarily this game or the last couple we've been unlucky however they've been recently.

 

Apparently Cambiasso and Vardy aren't as good....

[BigMicky]

Apparently Cambiasso and Vardy aren't as good....

Vardy has been poor for the last few games, Nugent has done well and deserved his chance. Was surprised to see Cambiasso dropped...

[BigMicky]

Yeah he would. It's a challenge isn't it? A big one. Pay him a good salary with an excellent bonus if we avoided relegation..he'd join.

Surely waiting for a mid table prem opportunity would be more beneficial.

[MC Prussian]

Vardy has been poor for the last few games, Nugent has done well and deserved his chance. Was surprised to see Cambiasso dropped...

Rested for Hull, I suppose.

[BigMicky]

Rested for Hull, I suppose.

Wouldnt argue with that. Thought all 3 centre mids were good today.

[Guest Col city fan]

Rested for Hull, I suppose.

Who knows? Could have been dropped.

King will be out though I guess so Cambi will be back in, I guess.

[AyewJoking]

Part of me would love to see him go.

 

I dont know if someone new could keep us up or if we're just a lost cause.

 

Would be satisfying to see him held accountable for being out of his depth though.

 

The players are just as bad, they'd probably throw tantrums if Pearson got the boot. I'm sure it cant be fun for them losing every week but they are being paid handsomely for it while the fans have to go back to work and get laughed at for supporting such shíte.

 

I'm in the "better the devil you know" camp because although we are clearly not good enough and going down we are probably better off in the short term with stability because the shake up of a new manager and new players would likely see us struggle to survive even in the Championship.

[inckley fox]

If you keep on making mistakes in your job, are you accepting them as your mistakes? Or do you blame your supervisor?

 

You keep on drumming about our squad being better than QPR's and Burnley's last season. We were pretty much even for two thirds of the campaign and only a late surge helped us put a distance between us and the chasing pack.

How can you still not see that we're exposed to a much better, high-quality opposition now in the Premier League? This team managed to be so convincing last season not only because the playoff experiences had made them stronger and allowed them to adopt to the league and promotion push better than anyone else. They had learnt from their mistakes.

 

We are now back in the top flight for the first time in ten whopping years, surely you can't expect us to walk this? Yes, the points amassed over the past dozen games or so are laughable.

But like I've said many, many times - in each and every game, another player has to be the culprit and come up with a clanger. Just as much as we had to learn to beat teams the hard way in the Championship, the players only learn to get better once they're allowed to make mistakes. The downside is that this is the Premier League where you are faced with arguably the best wingers/attacking forces in the world, there's fewer games to correct the course and some of our fans are equally as unforgiving.

 

Today, we were as unlucky not to score more than one goal. Luck or the lack thereof plays a major part in football, alongside dedication and application.

 

But it is Pearson's job to take responsibility for the results that his players secure, isn't it? If his job isn't to assemble a team capable of competing and prepare them / manage them in a way which picks up the required points, then I don't know what it is! Why do we even need a manager? How would you ever know which manager to employ if results were really down to his players?

 

So if we start saying that results are down to players and not managers, then how could you ever have come to rate Pearson so highly in the first place?

 

Or, are you arguing that results are down to a manager when they are going well, but not necessarily in some isolated cases when they are going not just badly, but incredibly badly? Because that's just silly.

 

And at no point have I indicated that the PL is not a quality league. Of course it is. But we didn't just finish 4 or 5 points about QPR last season, we were 22 points above them. For such a gap to be bridged indicates that their management, which is responsible for their results, has done a better job than ours in the meantime. Be it through keeping heads up, dealing in the market, coaching or game management. Whatever it is, they have done it.

 

The fact remains that, over the past six seasons, the bulk of newly promoted sides have stayed up. For us, and our ambitions, it was essential for us to do the same. To say that Pearson is doing a poor job when he's six points adrift is not underestimating the quality of the PL, it's simply pointing out that our manager is a long, long way off achieving what he's employed to achieve.

 

Those backing Pearson - among which I include myself - can't possibly try to argue that his job should be safe because the notion that managers take responsibility for their results is wrong. Neither can they argue that people who criticise Pearson are underestimating the scale of the challenge. Did anybody ever really 'estimate' that we'd have 10 points from our first 18 games? No, I didn't underestimate the PL at all. Maybe Pearson did, though, when he thought he could get away with a season with Konchesky at left back, or De Laet on the right, or only three wingers, two of which would be gone for an extended period in January, or when he was the only manager anywhere near the bottom of the table who decided to have a day off at Xmas, or when he said 'we only lost by a fine margin' every game for thirteen lousy results in a row, or when he let our players go out on the piss and have a day off after they won the fifth match of the season.

 

It's simple. The results are not good enough, and not by a massive margin. Our manager is responsible for our results. Therefore at the moment our manager is doing a bloody awful job.

[Dickov22]

Apparently Cambiasso and Vardy aren't as good....

 

I'm Vardy's biggest fan but even I thought he deserved to be dropped for today's game. He's not done enough, and Nugent has looked decent in the games he's come on as sub. Nugent did ok today, but he never ever looked like scoring.

[Guest Col city fan]

Surely waiting for a mid table prem opportunity would be more beneficial.

All depends on his personality. I know which I'd go for.

Let's have it right.. If Pulis DID sign for us and pulled off a miracle, like him or not, he'd be written into LCFC folklore. You wouldn't get that piddling about with Newcastle or Swansea this season Micky.

[Esm253]

Haha both of whom played well today... Next

 One Decent game doesn't deserve rewarding they're meant to be goal threats and never did look like scoring, You've got to admit that they both miss chances and look lost, we have much better firepower in our squad then those two..