inckley fox Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 Of course, the results do bother me. But maybe, as previously mentioned in other threads over the course of the past few years, I have different expectations based on my previous experiences supporting this club. I'm not happy following defeats, but those defeats apparently don't get to me the way they get to others. Maybe somewhere there's a switch that helps me dissect it all on a different level. If you feel this club has a god-given right to be in this division and even somehow needs to replicate the MON years at one point (just guessing), you'll surely agree that it takes time and patience to get there. And a chunk of luck (that you may or not make yourself). Or to use your Facebook page analogy - so you've given up on it already. Who says you couldn't have been more successful if you'd been more persisting? I asked you how come you manage to still be alive after all those years and decades of ups and downs. Can't you fathom that for this club, stability in the top flight is a rare occurrence and that we've mostly fought for promotion and yo-yoyed in between the highest level and the one below? So, this whole situation shouldn't come as a surprise to you. I have much the same experiences as you, I'm sure. I started going at the end of the 80s and I rarely miss a game now. But this business about 'feeling we have a god-given right to being this division' really does come from listening to too many managers moaning about football fans moaning about them. It doesn't actually mean anything does it? Fans want the very best for their clubs, sometimes they demand it, and sometimes their expectations are a little too high. But it doesn't mean we should set the bar lower. After all, Leicester are a club who have been in this league and stayed in it for almost half of their history. And it doesn't mean anybody feels they have a right to be in this league. Quite the opposite, it means they don't under-estimate the quality of performance needed in order to earn the right to be in this league. This team isn't doing enough, though they have come close here and there. I'd argue that it's those who think these performances are sufficient are under-estimating this division, not the rest of us. But to my mind nobody thinks we've got a right to be in this league. They just want us to be.
Arriba Los Zorros Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 The bigger picture is "can Pearson keep us up"current form suggests not.Would a new manager do better? who knows but he might and that's more of a chance than we've got at the minute. wrong, Pearson also has a chance of keeping us up, which many of the Pearson haters just completely write off. It's all very well to just look at results but eventually performances will start to pay dividends. In the same way that Newcastle didn't become world beaters because they won 6 in a row
inckley fox Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 wrong, Pearson also has a chance of keeping us up, which many of the Pearson haters just completely write off. It's all very well to just look at results but eventually performances will start to pay dividends. In the same way that Newcastle didn't become world beaters because they won 6 in a row This was our best performance in 13 games. We deserved a draw but we can't say we deserve anything else when we are so totally out of the game for the first half an hour. We could and should have been two down by half time. Even if we play as well as that for the rest of the season, we'll struggle for points if we make errors like the ones we made in that game, both in defence and in terms of taking chances In the other 12 games, we put up a decent display which could have earned a draw in - what? - four of them. That's nowhere near enough. I'm a Pearson supporter, but after a run as bad as this one we can no longer claim that we're losing because of raw luck. If we set today's standard of performance from 30 minutes on as our minimum, and get better from there, then results will pay dividends. If we play like we did for much of the other 12 matches, or begin games like we did today, then they probably won't. I can't help feeling that it's time to stop looking for the positives, and instead focus on what the negatives are and how we're going to eliminate them.
MC Prussian Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 You have to be the most patronising person I have ever had the misfortune of communicating with. Based on the fact I've supported city for 25 years plus do you not think ive seen it all and know our limitations? I find it bizarre that everyone thinks its a given we will come back up and are also quite happy to write off this season because with NFP well walk the division next year.... error....no. If we do and its with Pearson whats to say he'd do any better next time in the Prem. In fact would he even deserve the chance? It would be obvious to me that after possibly another successful season in the Championship the owners would be mad not to send him packing pre season and bring in someone with known pedigree So if you've seen it all - why all the fuss and ramblings? From what I gather, no one sees it as a given that we'd come straight back upon a relegation scenario or that we'd "walk the Championship". The points made were solely that we'd have a much better chance with a more talented squad and a more solid financial ground to start from overall compared to other years/decades.
benpicko Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 For me Cambiasso and Vardy are our 2 most creative players in our squad. Leaving them both out today I could never have done I can understand why he wanted to mix it up a bit but for me at least 1 of them has to start U fukkin wot
MC Prussian Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 I have much the same experiences as you, I'm sure. I started going at the end of the 80s and I rarely miss a game now. But this business about 'feeling we have a god-given right to being this division' really does come from listening to too many managers moaning about football fans moaning about them. It doesn't actually mean anything does it? Fans want the very best for their clubs, sometimes they demand it, and sometimes their expectations are a little too high. But it doesn't mean we should set the bar lower. After all, Leicester are a club who have been in this league and stayed in it for almost half of their history. And it doesn't mean anybody feels they have a right to be in this league. Quite the opposite, it means they don't under-estimate the quality of performance needed in order to earn the right to be in this league. This team isn't doing enough, though they have come close here and there. I'd argue that it's those who think these performances are sufficient are under-estimating this division, not the rest of us. But to my mind nobody thinks we've got a right to be in this league. They just want us to be. I'm sure all the fans stand behind the club and want the best for it. However, the current outrage over results is a bit two-faced. We all knew before the start of the season that - regardless of our finish in the Championship - this was a lightweight squad with an unproven PL manager at the helm. There's a part among the fan base with very high expectations and they'll usually compare any new manager to O'Neill's reign. Which is incomparable, because it so far marked the very high of this club and that period may never be replicated. In the historic context, it was a one-off. And people tend to forget that. Like you said, Leicester are a club who have been in this division for almost half of its existence - we've been outside of it longer than we've been inside. The overall performances this season are promising, individual mistakes have cost us more than anything. The team is composed on a regular basis and willing to fight for survival, but is usually undone by a catastrophic error on behalf on one particular player per game.
Ash79 Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 I don't get too involved with the foxes forum and see myself more as a casual observer but considering its Christmas I thought I'd pass on my two peneth worth... In my opinion the whole Pearson debate boils down to a few factors and whilst none should be taken in isolation the blame for our current predicament shouldn't be put down to one person. 1) summer signings - the defence is a disaster coming up to the Premier league u can't expect to outscore your way to survival... Couple that with the ricks made week in week out by senior players we should have invested far more in the summer in this position and strengthened (Keane is looking great for Burnley). 2) Tinkering - when we only had King and Hammond available for the centre mid berth we looked a far more stable side... Stability seems key to retaining our premier league status especially if you look at Burnley and QPR who've rarely changed there side. Once Drinky, James and Cambiasso became available NP felt he had to incorporate them into the side changing both the style of play and formation to accommodate. 3) individual errors - how do we put a stop to this??? Morgan's turned into Titus Bramble and Konch is playing with clown shoes on, the errors have severely cost us (no player is truely faultless where this is concerned but WM and PK spring to mind) but we simply don't seem to be learning from them! Like I said earlier in my post taking these points in isolation it's easy to point the finger at one individual person but our current predicament is a combination of all three and whilst the manager takes the responsibility of the team on his shoulders I'm sure he'd feel very hard done by considering the above.
Raj Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 First few times in L1 this season.I've heard boos and Pearson Pearson sort it out...so maybe even the most loyal are getting jittery
chris_lcfc_85 Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 Pearson got it right today, players need to do more to secure points
BigMicky Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 First few times in L1 this season.I've heard boos and Pearson Pearson sort it out...so maybe even the most loyal are getting jittery Haha most loyal indeed.
Jacnah Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 Haha most loyal indeed. made me smile as well...
l444ry Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 Would love Nigel Pearson to turn this around but am losing faith fast. What passes (again) as a "good performance" is nothing more than (again) honest huff and puff. He can't keep hiding behind the old "we lost because of individual errors" mantra every week. A more diligent manager would be hiding these consistent failures. The defensive organisation for the first Tottenham goal yesterday was a joke, and the pathetic foul given away for the second was laughable for this level of football.
Guest ttfn Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 Would love Nigel Pearson to turn this around but am losing faith fast. What passes (again) as a "good performance" is nothing more than (again) honest huff and puff. He can't keep hiding behind the old "we lost because of individual errors" mantra every week. A more diligent manager would be hiding these consistent failures. The defensive organisation for the first Tottenham goal yesterday was a joke, and the pathetic foul given away for the second was laughable for this level of football. Frankly I didn't think Pearson's previous comments really filled me with much hope. We weren't "far off" before in the sense that we were competitive and weren't getting turned over by anybody. Key moments weren't going our way (call it bad luck or poor play, the outcome is the same) and we were losing games we should have been able to draw. Yesterday, I thought, was much different. We absolutely killed Spurs and should have won the game by a couple of goals. At no point in the previous 12 games had I thought that on the balance of play we were decidedly the better side. There was a case to be made that we were just as deserving of 3 points as West Brom and QPR but really we didn't play well in either game. Yesterday was the first time I've walked out of the ground wondering how we didn't win it given the balance of play. We are getting better but it's surely too late now. Realistically we need another 15 performances like that between now and the end of the season.
BigMicky Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 Would love Nigel Pearson to turn this around but am losing faith fast. What passes (again) as a "good performance" is nothing more than (again) honest huff and puff. He can't keep hiding behind the old "we lost because of individual errors" mantra every week. A more diligent manager would be hiding these consistent failures. The defensive organisation for the first Tottenham goal yesterday was a joke, and the pathetic foul given away for the second was laughable for this level of football. Huff and puff? We had one cleared off the line, numerous good saves and two hit the crossbar. I can be bothered picking up the other points. Another clueless "fan"
Max Power Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 I reckon there should be an asterisk on our name at the bottom of the table to denote 'amount of times we hit the woodwork and conceded to indiviudal errors'. It's just not fair really. Something to be proud of when we go down with 18 points I suppose.
Dickov22 Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 Would love Nigel Pearson to turn this around but am losing faith fast. What passes (again) as a "good performance" is nothing more than (again) honest huff and puff. He can't keep hiding behind the old "we lost because of individual errors" mantra every week. A more diligent manager would be hiding these consistent failures. The defensive organisation for the first Tottenham goal yesterday was a joke, and the pathetic foul given away for the second was laughable for this level of football. Huff and puff is what we did in games such as Man City, Liverpool and West Ham. Yesterday was far more than huff and puff. We murdered Spurs and should have won. Best we've played since Man U
l444ry Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 Frankly I didn't think Pearson's previous comments really filled me with much hope. We weren't "far off" before in the sense that we were competitive and weren't getting turned over by anybody. Key moments weren't going our way (call it bad luck or poor play, the outcome is the same) and we were losing games we should have been able to draw. Yesterday, I thought, was much different. We absolutely killed Spurs and should have won the game by a couple of goals. At no point in the previous 12 games had I thought that on the balance of play we were decidedly the better side. There was a case to be made that we were just as deserving of 3 points as West Brom and QPR but really we didn't play well in either game. Yesterday was the first time I've walked out of the ground wondering how we didn't win it given the balance of play. We are getting better but it's surely too late now. Realistically we need another 15 performances like that between now and the end of the season. Agree. Really was a great second half performance. But when a team plays as we did, and still get beaten, the signs are distinctly ominous. What does concern me is the dominance seems to be simply through huff and puff and aggressive play. This is all very good but to survive in this league we also need guile and cleverness. We always seem to play flat out with no more gears available.
l444ry Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 Huff and puff? We had one cleared off the line, numerous good saves and two hit the crossbar. I can be bothered picking up the other points. Another clueless "fan" Yes, all created by huff and puff play.
lcfcbobby Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 cant fault anything that pearson has done there has only been the palace and Swansea game that we have not put in a good performance!!! the problem in we have been leaking silly goals!!! our defence is not good enough we needed to by a decent left back and I disagree with playing morgan and waseleski together as there both similar players!!! need to have moore playing would like to see knocky playing more with mahrez as they are both capable of playing on both wings and they switch wings during the game which gives full backs different challenges during the game, when you have schlupp playing he can only play on the left so there's no variety and we are then too rigid in formation!!!
Landsend Fox Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 So if the sun said we would win the prem next season you would believe it? Nothing you have put means we stay up and you really think 180m in 6 years puts us in europe? 180m ove 6 years puts us mid table unless we are very lucky. No, you are wrong... that was quoted in the Leicester Mercury. http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Leicester-City-owners-target-Premier-League/story-21088594-detail/story.html And it was three - not 6 years as you said... you and the Sun must be one of the same for mis-quotes! And it was the BBC Sports that quoted the £180 Million for a top 5 finish in 3 years... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27387616 Pearson seems to have spent very little - £8 Million on Ulloa... the owners have remained quiet? Perhaps it is a false News Report... nonetheless, if they don't purchase the quality players, we won't be in the Premiership next season.
Raj Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 Haha most loyal indeed. ...didn't mean it to sound like L1ers are the MOST loyal supporters..soz!
Landsend Fox Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 You are wrong, points 2 and 3 were misquoted/ taken out of context.... I think you are wrong... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27387616 http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Leicester-City-owners-target-Premier-League/story-21088594-detail/story.html Don't look like Mis-quotes to me???
MooseBreath Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 Yes, all created by huff and puff play. Well if this 'huff and puff' style creates so many good chances against top-8 opposition then maybe it's not such a bad thing? What were expecting, us to be able to walk rings around spurs and score at will without breaking sweat? There's always going to be a huff and puff element to games in this division. I think we need to scrap it out a little bit more, not less.
MC Prussian Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 I think you are wrong... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27387616 http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Leicester-City-owners-target-Premier-League/story-21088594-detail/story.html Don't look like Mis-quotes to me??? "...I think we need to establish our foothold in the league first and then we think about our next step." The "three years for a Top Five finish" and the £180m are mentioned in two separate statements and are not directly linked to one another. It also doesn't say on what the money will be spent - it won't be just players, that's for sure. The owners have already invested in the infrastructure and paid off our debt (£32m).
tickler28 Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 "...I think we need to establish our foothold in the league first and then we think about our next step." The "three years for a Top Five finish" and the £180m are mentioned in two separate statements and are not directly linked to one another. It also doesn't say on what the money will be spent - it won't be just players, that's for sure. The owners have already invested in the infrastructure and paid off our debt (£32m). Just out of interest (and at present I'm a fine on to talk) how much time do you spend posting on this forum? Its a wonder you have time to do anything else?! Just saying. I have to get out...spend some time with my wife and walk the dog...live a little...thumbs got cramp!!
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