That has to be it. Pearson needs to go.

[Neil_LCFC]

so basicaly you're saying the owners should sack themselves then. Wonder what the compo on that will be.

 

I said they don't know what they are doing you need to read my post again.

[MC Prussian]

It wasn't until it was clear that we'd be promoted last season that some on here forgave the board for sacking Sven. Loyalty can be an admirable quality but sometimes you have to see the bigger picture.

Which was also down to more details/internas coming to light following Eriksson's departure (e.g. his preference for a particular set of players).

 

And many of us were glad that we were slowly but steadily getting rid of all the high earners that had continued to flatter to deceive, posing a smaller financial risk to the existence of the club.

[Webbo]

Just because those people were clearly wrong, doesn't make the people supporting a man who has achieved infinitely more for Leicester City are wrong.

Only time will tell. If we do get relegated under Pearson after a full season does that make the people calling for a change still wrong?

[Loyalist]

Got to go. Not good enough. Leicester won't get out the bottom 3 again this season.

[Neil_LCFC]

I'm genuinely quite astounded that we can amass only 2 points from 13 matches and there are still more people seemingly wanting to keep Pearson than to sack him. I guess you could call it highly loyal, or stupid, or whatever really. Mark w says its 'sensible'.

Again, I never thought we'd be hitting the new year being in such a low position that people are clamouring for the next result like its the Holy Grail. How we have stooped in terms of expectation as a club. The forum never ceases to amaze me. It genuinely doesn't.

 

I've never known such blind loyalty he must be the luckiest manager in world football right now to still be in a job.

[Webbo]

And what is the bigger picture here? Looking at the matches, every week we play ok, give away a silly goal and end up losing. We're not too far away from being a decent side (admittedly we've been saying this for weeks). You can point to 2 points from a possible 39, bottom at christmas, not won in 13, but that doesn't tell the story of how the matches have gone - our performances have deserved more than 2 points from those 13 games.

I'm not interested in playing well and losing, I want us to stay up. It's just not happening for Pearson for whatever reason.

[Mark_w]

Only time will tell. If we do get relegated under Pearson after a full season does that make the people calling for a change still wrong?

 

That will largely depend on what happens in the one/two season(s) afterwards under Pearson. It certainly won't prove that they're right.

[The Doctor]

I'm not interested in playing well and losing, I want us to stay up. It's just not happening for Pearson for whatever reason.

 

We all want to stay up - you said we need to look at the bigger picture. What is the bigger picture? 2 points from 13 matches is the name of the picture, not the details.

[Webbo]

That will largely depend on what happens in the one/two season(s) afterwards under Pearson. It certainly won't prove that they're right.

If we do sack Pearson next week and we stay up will that prove the doubters right?

[Neil_LCFC]

I'm not interested in playing well and losing, I want us to stay up. It's just not happening for Pearson for whatever reason.

 

Exactly 

[Mark_w]

If we do sack Pearson next week and we stay up will that prove the doubters right?

 

Again it'll depend on what the new manager does in the following seasons I think. I'm not saying Nigel Pearson is the best option to keep us up this season (though I think he's right up there), but  I think he's the best option to take the club forward in the long term, I think we will be better off as a club in the long term sticking with Pearson.

[Webbo]

We all want to stay up - you said we need to look at the bigger picture. What is the bigger picture? 2 points from 13 matches is the name of the picture, not the details.

The bigger picture is "can Pearson keep us up"current form suggests not.Would a new manager do better? who knows but he might and that's more of a chance than we've got at the minute.

[Guest ttfn]

If a change were to be made, the time to make it passed on the Monday morning after the Villa game. The Man City game was a write off anyway and we'd have had 2 weeks to get a new man in before Xmas and the transfer window.

Things are slowly getting better. Let's at least go down with some dignity.

[kingfox]

Mark obviously has this picture on his bed quilt. 

 

[Mark_w]

Mark obviously has this picture on his bed quilt. 

 

 

It was my avatar for a while.

 

Stunning stuff.

[Benji]

I find myself at the same point a couple of seasons ago during the really bad run that almost saw us miss out on the play-offs where as much as I want things to work out I'm starting to think perhaps this might be it.

 

Would I be hugely disappointed if we were relegated?  Of course.  But I'm still torn.  It makes it all the more difficult when teams are coming away and their fans and managers alike saying we deserved more.  There's no hiding from the table though.  If we were one or two points behind the drop I would be quite content considering how we're playing but the worrying thing now is the gap.  We should at least be looking to compete with QPR and Burnley on points so to be falling behind so early is starting to push me towards a change.

[kingfox]

It was my avatar for a while.

 

Stunning stuff.

 

Bet you would take Waghorn back, just to take corners   

[hesapeepingtom]

Mark obviously has this picture on his bed quilt. 

 

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Along with man paste stains as he jizzes over his tight trackside bottoms and clown feet

[Mark_w]

Mark obviously has this picture on his bed quilt. 

 

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Along with man paste stains as he jizzes over his tight trackside bottoms and clown feet

 

You and Kingfox are going to get on like a house on fire with banter like that.

[glenelgfox]

Hard to blame Pearson for todays loss. If we play like we did today re chances in previous games then we would not be rock bottom. Luck plays a part as per today - unlucky in the main but earlier in season we were lucky re our smash and grab at Stoke.

I'm not sure how or who can change our fortunes?

[Jace]

Pearson for me as a coach and a manager is not an issue, for me the debate is can Pearson bring in the quality we need to compete as this level with an open chequebook. Didn't do it in the summer and it appears Robinsons been the scapegoat for it so for me what happens in January will be very interesting.

[funkyrobot]

I'm genuinely quite astounded that we can amass only 2 points from 13 matches and there are still more people seemingly wanting to keep Pearson than to sack him. I guess you could call it highly loyal, or stupid, or whatever really. Mark w says its 'sensible'.

Again, I never thought we'd be hitting the new year being in such a low position that people are clamouring for the next result like its the Holy Grail. How we have stooped in terms of expectation as a club. The forum never ceases to amaze me. It genuinely doesn't.

The reason that people still want to see Pearson stay is because of the success that he has brought to the club in the very recent past and because he has had us playing the most attractive style of football that I can remember as a city fan. The other glaring truth is that there is no obvious replacement. Pulis wouldn't come to us in the predicament we are in and tbf many of us wouldn't want him anyway. You just must be easily amazed and astounded.

[Bob Weasel Fox]

January transfer window might save NP but as others have suggested if we fail to beat Hull in our next game then maybe just maybe now is the right time for a change? . . .

[tickler28]

Of course, the results do bother me. But maybe, as previously mentioned in other threads over the course of the past few years, I have different expectations based on my previous experiences supporting this club. I'm not happy following defeats, but those defeats apparently don't get to me the way they get to others. Maybe somewhere there's a switch that helps me dissect it all on a different level.

If you feel this club has a god-given right to be in this division and even somehow needs to replicate the MON years at one point (just guessing), you'll surely agree that it takes time and patience to get there. And a chunk of luck (that you may or not make yourself). Or to use your Facebook page analogy - so you've given up on it already. Who says you couldn't have been more successful if you'd been more persisting?

I asked you how come you manage to still be alive after all those years and decades of ups and downs. Can't you fathom that for this club, stability in the top flight is a rare occurrence and that we've mostly fought for promotion and yo-yoyed in between the highest level and the one below? So, this whole situation shouldn't come as a surprise to you.

You have to be the most patronising person I have ever had the misfortune of communicating with. Based on the fact I've supported city for 25 years plus do you not think ive seen it all and know our limitations?

I find it bizarre that everyone thinks its a given we will come back up and are also quite happy to write off this season because with NFP well walk the division next year.... error....no. If we do and its with Pearson whats to say he'd do any better next time in the Prem. In fact would he even deserve the chance?

It would be obvious to me that after possibly another successful season in the Championship the owners would be mad not to send him packing pre season and bring in someone with known pedigree

[inckley fox]

It matches previous polls and the weekly stay or go section of the match ratings. Seems fair to say we're still split more in favour of stay than go.

 

Among my friends that's also the case. But I don't think that they, or the Foxestalk board, really represent a true cross section of City fans. I remember a Mercury poll a couple of years ago which was 60% in favour of sacking him when our poll was about 70% in favour of keeping him!

 

The acceptance of success or failure in this league is different for most clubs, so for an established Top Six outfit, the bars are set at a different level compared to a newly-promoted team. Clubs like Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton, Manchester United or City hire and fire according to their expectations set at the start of a season or longer than that. Speaking of which, why aren't they sacking their managers more often? Is it because they are more tolerant of the limits of failure? Is it down to compensations? I doubt it - those clubs are so rich they could easily afford the money. Or is it because they do simply prefer to plan beyond one season alone?

 

We can only judge Pearson fully once his reign has come to an end and a few years have passed.

 

The owners have given Pearson the benefit of the doubt multiple times, even during rather bad spells. And in turn, he rewarded them with the first step to the kind of success they're longing for. Of course, results dictate success. How can you be successful without winning? However, the fans' expectations of success oftentimes collide with realism and in the case of Leicester, the natural status quo of this club is a hot topic and has always been open for discussion and interpretation. I'm not happy with the results, yet that doesn't automatically lead me to question the manager alone.

 

As for the comparison with Burnley, their owners are just as much being scrooges as our consortium right now. Both clubs have spent sensibly. We might edge it in the wages department, though.

 

I agree with a lot of this. The legacy of a manager is also important. For instance the Little era lost a lot of its sheen when we went down in 95 and the bulk of his squad was dismantled, but the fact that the rest of the 90s was such a success made his reign seem like a turning point in our history. And it made Gordon Lee's brief, dismal reign one of the most important we'd ever had.

 

Relegation could go two ways were we to stick with the manager. If he rebuilt, then even if a new-look Leicester under Pearson didn't go up in 2016, it could still prove to have left us in a better position than he found us in in 2011. Or the board could pull the plug the minute we go down, we could resort to short-term fixes in the market, our form could collapse, and it could transpire that our best ever chance of making it in big time had gone up in smoke because two bosses - Sven and Pearson - weren't up to the job.

 

Unfortunately, we can't wait until we know whether Pearson's reign has been a success until we decide whether or not to fire him. And we can't keep hiding behind performances (most have been dreadful, and even the good ones are littered with the same errors over and over again), or lauding our young squad (it isn't actually very young), or saying what a great man he is for the financial stability of the club (how can we know how much of a role Pearson has in this? All we know if that we got promoted with one of the most expensive squads, in terms of fees and wages, in that division - let's not pretend he's a shoestring manager). Results are everything now. Try typing 'football managers should be judged on results' into Google. See how many managers are quoted, Pearson included, saying that's exactly how they should be judged. 

 

I'd be in favour of giving him the chance to learn at this level, and begin our restructuring work. But if, as the months pass (and some would argue enough months have already passed) he doesn't seem to be learning then we can say that he's not the man for a side that wants, one day, to be an established PL force. He will have had every chance to show that he can take the club forward from 2011, and instead left us where we were - a much-fancied but demoralised second tier side with a few big names.

 

He'd be, at that point, a manager who takes his time in getting sides promoted to the top tier, but doesn't build squads capable of survival in the process, and hasn't got a clue what to do the minute he does get promoted. It would be madness to think he was still taking the club forward. It would be the difference between supporting your club's manager because you think that he's the right man for them, and supporting your club's manager regardless of whether or not that's the best thing for your club.