l444ry Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 Well if this 'huff and puff' style creates so many good chances against top-8 opposition then maybe it's not such a bad thing? What were expecting, us to be able to walk rings around spurs and score at will without breaking sweat? There's always going to be a huff and puff element to games in this division. I think we need to scrap it out a little bit more, not less. Can't disagree with one word of this. But then I also think Pulis and Allerdyce are good managers and there is nothing wrong with the longer ball game.
tickler28 Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 So if you've seen it all - why all the fuss and ramblings? From what I gather, no one sees it as a given that we'd come straight back upon a relegation scenario or that we'd "walk the Championship". The points made were solely that we'd have a much better chance with a more talented squad and a more solid financial ground to start from overall compared to other years/decades. If someone dumped rubbish outside your house over and over again...because you were used to it would you just accept it? That is basically what you're saying
MC Prussian Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 If someone dumped rubbish outside your house over and over again...because you were used to it would you just accept it? That is basically what you're saying Why would someone dump rubbish in front of my house (if I had one)? Makes no sense whatsoever and is definitely not what I was saying. P.S.: Wag the dog!
Landsend Fox Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 "...I think we need to establish our foothold in the league first and then we think about our next step." The "three years for a Top Five finish" and the £180m are mentioned in two separate statements and are not directly linked to one another. It also doesn't say on what the money will be spent - it won't be just players, that's for sure. The owners have already invested in the infrastructure and paid off our debt (£32m). Perhaps you didn't read the reports then? Both reports were from the same interview in Bangkok - just reported by seperate news reports... its called Corroberation? How do you come to the conclusion 'Not Directly Linked to one another' baffles me?? One would assume that the owners were setting out a plan to remain in the Premier League... had set aside £180 Million to achieve that goal, and the Target was three years. What we see today, is nothing like the plan they had instigated? They haven't broke silence on this... perhaps they are renaging on the deal?
Rob1742 Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 The reason Pearson is still here is that apart from results, everything else is in good order. Now I know the Pearson out brigade will say the results are the important bit, which I totally agree, but because everything else is in good order, he is keeping his job. I will go into more detail. Look at Palace. They are not getting results also, but look in disarray, the crowd cannot see any glimmer of hope, they are rolling over, so it's clear it won't turn around. There is a rebuilding job that needs to be done and if they go down, because they haven't got any togetherness, it could take years to return. We are ina different mould. We are losing, but still have a decent group, we generally make a fist of most matches, Pearson has a close group, so it just needs some quality adding in certain areas and it could turn around. Also, if we were to go down, there isn't a rebuilding job that needs to be done, so we won't have to restructure the squad to get a promotion side together. It's down to lack of quality, we need a better Morgan, a better Konchesky and a goalscorer who will have a better strike rate than the ones we have. To sack him would involve major changes and cost, and no guarantee of reward. If we took Pullis as an example, we would have to clear out what we have and buy six footers and still not have a guarantee. We would have to offload loads of players, who have recently signed big contracts, so it would have a massive cost. The day he will go is the day that we play with no idea or passion, the day we have threw in the towel. But that is not the case, we are losing because our squad is short on quality. So can't see Pearson going anywhere. I can see him being here next season, in whatever league we are in. But I tell you sonething. There is still a massive togetherness in this group, I know that for a fact. They all believe. If we did add a few and we did get a few results, that togetherness and hunger could easily pull us through. We have sonething others won't have, we just need a bit of help from a few new quality players, a bit of luck and we could pull through.
Tuna Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 The reason Pearson is still here is that apart from results, everything else is in good order. Now I know the Pearson out brigade will say the results are the important bit, which I totally agree, but because everything else is in good order, he is keeping his job. I will go into more detail. Look at Palace. They are not getting results also, but look in disarray, the crowd cannot see any glimmer of hope, they are rolling over, so it's clear it won't turn around. There is a rebuilding job that needs to be done and if they go down, because they haven't got any togetherness, it could take years to return. We are ina different mould. We are losing, but still have a decent group, we generally make a fist of most matches, Pearson has a close group, so it just needs some quality adding in certain areas and it could turn around. Also, if we were to go down, there isn't a rebuilding job that needs to be done, so we won't have to restructure the squad to get a promotion side together. It's down to lack of quality, we need a better Morgan, a better Konchesky and a goalscorer who will have a better strike rate than the ones we have. To sack him would involve major changes and cost, and no guarantee of reward. If we took Pullis as an example, we would have to clear out what we have and buy six footers and still not have a guarantee. We would have to offload loads of players, who have recently signed big contracts, so it would have a massive cost. The day he will go is the day that we play with no idea or passion, the day we have threw in the towel. But that is not the case, we are losing because our squad is short on quality. So can't see Pearson going anywhere. I can see him being here next season, in whatever league we are in. But I tell you sonething. There is still a massive togetherness in this group, I know that for a fact. They all believe. If we did add a few and we did get a few results, that togetherness and hunger could easily pull us through. We have sonething others won't have, we just need a bit of help from a few new quality players, a bit of luck and we could pull through. Tell you something, the biggest mistake we could make is hiring Pulis and him abandoning us at the end of the season leaving us high and dry. We should really take heed of other teams who went down sacking their managers - Wolves, Wigan, Cardiff, Norwich - and all are doing fairly badly. Sometimes you are better off with what you know.
Ely fox Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 Not posted for ages, its time to have my say, Pearson has to be sacked. He did a good job last year, yet i would argue that a lot of money was invested in the club over a number of years, and any decent manager worth his salt should really have managed to get Leicester City promoted, compared to the budget and crowd support of other clubs in the championship. He is obviously out of his depth and i don't see the point of allowing him to spend millions to try and keep us up, i would rather allocate this money to another manager. A change is as good as a rest .... hopefully .....
Guest LCFC_World Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 WHY would you sack Pearson? If were already down like some people think we are then Nigel would be the best person to get us back up! Start supporting your manager.
Mike the Metal Ed Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 WHY would you sack Pearson? If were already down like some people think we are then Nigel would be the best person to get us back up! Start supporting your manager. For some that's like asking an American in Arkansas to support their President. His face doesn't fit with them, never has, never will.
Ely fox Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 WHY would you sack Pearson? If were already down like some people think we are then Nigel would be the best person to get us back up! Start supporting your manager. If he can't hack it at this level, then why bother to wait for him to fail again??
Jimmy Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 WHY would you sack Pearson? If were already down like some people think we are then Nigel would be the best person to get us back up! Start supporting your manager. For some that's like asking an American in Arkansas to support their President. His face doesn't fit with them, never has, never will. or maybe they think we are down unless we change the manager and btw Pearson is far from certain to take us straight back up, look where the 3 relegated sides are
Mike the Metal Ed Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 or maybe they think we are down unless we change the manager and btw Pearson is far from certain to take us straight back up, look where the 3 relegated sides are Some people are perfectly justified to have concerns over our form (even if I personally think their concerns are misplaced). I'm talking about the ones whose mind was made up all along.
Hirsty The Blue 94 Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 or maybe they think we are down unless we change the manager and btw Pearson is far from certain to take us straight back up, look where the 3 relegated sides are That doesn't really add to your point as 2 of the 3 relegated clubs have sacked their manager this season that took them down, and the team who has kept them is the closest to the top of the 3... Coupled with that all 3 of them changed their manager at a similar point last year and went down, so its a pretty weak point.
Eddy Kellys Heroes Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 I was a complete Nigel fan, but now I feel he's gone has far as he can, unfortunately it's too late to change manager now.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 Pearson has proved himself to be a complete disaster at this level. The board should have sacked him four weeks ago, when it was obvious, even to the most pro Pearson supporter, that he had failed us. Now we have no hope of survival, as this farce rumbles on, unchecked. The inexperience of the board, has allowed this situation to drag on, plunging us into a bloody laughing stock, and the whipping boys of the Premiership. The whole situation is a disgrace!
Brooksy Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 Pearson has proved himself to be a complete disaster at this level. The board should have sacked him four weeks ago, when it was obvious, even to the most pro Pearson supporter, that he had failed us. Now we have no hope of survival, as this farce rumbles on, unchecked. The inexperience of the board, has allowed this situation to drag on, plunging us into a bloody laughing stock, and the whipping boys of the Premiership. The whole situation is a disgrace! Who would you appoint instead?
orangecity23 Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 or maybe they think we are down unless we change the manager and btw Pearson is far from certain to take us straight back up, look where the 3 relegated sides are What do the three relegated teams all have in common? Cardiff, Norwich and Fulham all sacked their managers during last season, (Fulham did it more than once), and none of them stayed up. In fact, if anything, they all got worse after sacking their managers. There's a reasonable argument to be had that Fulham shouldn't have sacked Jol, Norwich would have been better off with Hughton, although Cardiff and Mackay were a basket case, and Tan and Mackay obviously couldn't co-exist in any kind of healthy way.
Grewks Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 Pearson has proved himself to be a complete disaster at this level. The board should have sacked him four weeks ago, when it was obvious, even to the most pro Pearson supporter, that he had failed us. Now we have no hope of survival, as this farce rumbles on, unchecked. The inexperience of the board, has allowed this situation to drag on, plunging us into a bloody laughing stock, and the whipping boys of the Premiership. The whole situation is a disgrace! How has Pearson proved himself to be a 'complete disaster' at this level? He's had 18 games with a promoted side FFS! Harry Redknapp, a manager who has won trophies, broken up the 'elite 4' with an excellent Tottenham side etc....is only 7 points above Pearson, having spent a hell of a lot more. Redknapp also got relegated with Southampton early in his career, a great learning curve for him. Pearson needs time, because lets face it, he hasn't had any at all. Edit - I also recall you wanting to get rid of him in the championship? Proves how moronic your opinions are.
5waller5 Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 How has Pearson proved himself to be a 'complete disaster' at this level? He's had 18 games with a promoted side FFS! Harry Redknapp, a manager who has won trophies, broken up the 'elite 4' with an excellent Tottenham side etc....is only 7 points above Pearson, having spent a hell of a lot more. Redknapp also got relegated with Southampton early in his career, a great learning curve for him. Pearson needs time, because lets face it, he hasn't had any at all. Edit - I also recall you wanting to get rid of him in the championship? Proves how moronic your opinions are. And gained 10 points. You don't seriously need to ask that question do you??
Grewks Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 And gained 10 points. You don't seriously need to ask that question do you?? Martin O'neill.
Jimmy Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 What do the three relegated teams all have in common? Cardiff, Norwich and Fulham all sacked their managers during last season, (Fulham did it more than once), and none of them stayed up. In fact, if anything, they all got worse after sacking their managers. There's a reasonable argument to be had that Fulham shouldn't have sacked Jol, Norwich would have been better off with Hughton, although Cardiff and Mackay were a basket case, and Tan and Mackay obviously couldn't co-exist in any kind of healthy way. Where as palace Sunderland and a few others sacked their manager and survived
Zapp Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 Pearson has proved himself to be a complete disaster at this level. The board should have sacked him four weeks ago, when it was obvious, even to the most pro Pearson supporter, that he had failed us. Now we have no hope of survival, as this farce rumbles on, unchecked. The inexperience of the board, has allowed this situation to drag on, plunging us into a bloody laughing stock, and the whipping boys of the Premiership. The whole situation is a disgrace! you're a disgrace no appreciation no understanding no eyes possibly no long term view "even to the most pro Pearson supporter, that he had failed us" this line sums you up. and i would be a happier human being knowing you didnt tarnish this club with your opinions as a "fan".
Gary Eatfood Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 Pearson has proved himself to be a complete disaster at this level. The board should have sacked him four weeks ago, when it was obvious, even to the most pro Pearson supporter, that he had failed us. Now we have no hope of survival, as this farce rumbles on, unchecked. The inexperience of the board, has allowed this situation to drag on, plunging us into a bloody laughing stock, and the whipping boys of the Premiership. The whole situation is a disgrace! Just stick to the egg chasing.
tickler28 Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 Is he still here?? Geeze!?! The only possible reason for this is the owners have been kidnapped. There's no other logical explanation.
inckley fox Posted 27 December 2014 Posted 27 December 2014 Martin O'neill. The Pro-Pearson argument is done no favours by your constantly trying to compare him positively with our best ever manager. You can't on the one hand ask people to be realistic in their expectations, and on the other compare him favourably with a man who won trophies and secured four top half finishes with the club. And got promoted in six months, as opposed to thirty. you're a disgrace no appreciation no understanding no eyes possibly no long term view "even to the most pro Pearson supporter, that he had failed us" this line sums you up. and i would be a happier human being knowing you didnt tarnish this club with your opinions as a "fan". That's a very disproportionate reaction. If he's saying that Pearson isn't the answer because he can't cope with top flight football, and that even if we go down and come back up, we'd need to do so with the backbone of a team ready for this league, and a manager who can keep us up in this league, then surely THAT is a long term view. We're rock bottom and on one of the worst ever runs any team has had at this level. I'm still arguing that we should keep the manager, but if you rubbish the idea that there's even an argument for him to be fired when we're in the position we're in, then it's going to give the distinct impression of someone who either feels an unhealthily strong bond to the manager, even at the expense of the club, or someone who is so incredibly determined not to be wrong that, regardless of what happens, they will never budge an inch in their opinion. How has Pearson proved himself to be a 'complete disaster' at this level? He's had 18 games with a promoted side FFS! Harry Redknapp, a manager who has won trophies, broken up the 'elite 4' with an excellent Tottenham side etc....is only 7 points above Pearson, having spent a hell of a lot more. Redknapp also got relegated with Southampton early in his career, a great learning curve for him. Pearson needs time, because lets face it, he hasn't had any at all. Edit - I also recall you wanting to get rid of him in the championship? Proves how moronic your opinions are. Why all the insults?! If we'd have fired Pearson in March 2013 then the next day we'd have still been among the favourites for promotion that year, which we didn't get. And even if we'd changed managers in the summer, we'd have been among the favourites for promotion in 2014. And a lot of people would argue that, with our resources, promotion at the third attempt was a good achievement, but by no means a world-beating one. And it's hard to say that the fourth or third longest-serving manager in this league, who has spent plenty of money and time building a squad for precisely this sort of opportunity (after inheriting, it should be added, the most expensive squad in the division), hasn't had 'any' time. And Redknapp ONLY seven points above us! Only! What about Burnley, with their totally inexperienced manager and next to no spending? Or all of those other clubs who have spent less than us upon promotion and done a lot better. There's no point in pretending that Pearson isn't doing badly, or that there's no crisis. There's a reasonable argument for keeping Pearson, but it's one which is rooted in reality, and an acknowledgement that things aren't currently working out, rather than being rooted in unconditional faith and a fantasy football world in which Pearson is our most important manager ever, and this season so far is something other than a complete nightmare.
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