5waller5 Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 My thoughts on the last 3 days are that no party has emerged with any credit. So how could it have been handled differently and not damaged everyone's (club, NP, owners, Sky, Sir Gary) reputation?? We seem to have grown used to hearing nothing from the club now. This isn't how it used to be. It's not how other clubs are run either. Whilst I don't like Chairman constantly in the press or on TV (and i do really rate our Owners btw) .... Wouldn't a simple appearance by the Chairman in all of this to say, "We don't like it when our club is tarnished by speculation or the actions of our employees. We've had a word with a few of our staff recently about their conduct, and they've agreed with us. We are absolutely sure that it doesn't affect their ability to do their job. Np Is a great manager, his passion boiled over a couple of times, and we understand that. So for us the matter is closed, we move on and NP is our manager and has our backing. We're a team and NP is integral to that team". Yes it's the vote of confidence, but it addresses the issue, for me it's actually what's needed. In the void of any official voice (apart from a 3 sentence bland press release template a few hours late on Sunday) and the prickly relationship the club seem to have with the media then conjecture and rumour are discussed for much longer and without any facts. A proper statement or interview with the Chairman / owner would have quashed this very early and ended the rumbling discontent and sniping. The club seem to lack leadership and a strong voice at the top / Top. Occasionally silence is a weakness and not a strength.
Monsell1976 Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 My thoughts on the last 3 days are that no party has emerged with any credit. So how could it have been handled differently and not damaged everyone's (club, NP, owners, Sky, Sir Gary) reputation?? We seem to have grown used to hearing nothing from the club now. This isn't how it used to be. It's not how other clubs are run either. Whilst I don't like Chairman constantly in the press or on TV (and i do really rate our Owners btw) .... Wouldn't a simple appearance by the Chairman in all of this to say, "We don't like it when our club is tarnished by speculation or the actions of our employees. We've had a word with a few of our staff recently about their conduct, and they've agreed with us. We are absolutely sure that it doesn't affect their ability to do their job. Np Is a great manager, his passion boiled over a couple of times, and we understand that. So for us the matter is closed, we move on and NP is our manager and has our backing. We're a team and NP is integral to that team". Yes it's the vote of confidence, but it addresses the issue, for me it's actually what's needed. In the void of any official voice (apart from a 3 sentence bland press release template a few hours late on Sunday) and the prickly relationship the club seem to have with the media then conjecture and rumour are discussed for much longer and without any facts. A proper statement or interview with the Chairman / owner would have quashed this very early and ended the rumbling discontent and sniping. The club seem to lack leadership and a strong voice at the top / Top. Occasionally silence is a weakness and not a strength. Do think the owners need to vocally support him, if they really are backing him.Rob Dorset reported Pearson was sacked, him and his staff said their goodbyes, but later in the day reinstated. Because the owners have not come out and addressed the fans on what is slowly becoming an embarrassing season, for many reason, we can only assume the owners are as split in their opinions on Pearson as the fans are.
5waller5 Posted 10 February 2015 Author Posted 10 February 2015 Do think the owners need to vocally support him, if they really are backing him. Rob Dorset reported Pearson was sacked, him and his staff said their goodbyes, but later in the day reinstated. Because the owners have not come out and addressed the fans on what is slowly becoming an embarrassing season, for many reason, we can only assume the owners are as split in their opinions on Pearson as the fans are. Yeah, and unfortunately this is even more embarrassment and damage to the club brand. We are going to be trying to attract players next transfer window .... damaging your reputation hurts in all sorts of ways in the future. And this silence is really not helping IMHO.
Bettsj2 Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 I'm not sure the owners have handled anything particularly badly. What we have to remember is, Sky broke the story and then backtracked. Its basically an inflated version of when Bert said that Jimmy Kebe was at the training ground having a medical. Someone said something to someone which turned out to be not true. As much as I respect Gary Lineker for all he has done for the club, I dont believe for one second what he tweeted. Since taking over the club, the owners have shown nothing but good organisation, patience and most of all, respect for the football club. There is no way that Top/Vichai would sack Pearson without the blessing of the other, no way in heaven or hell and i'm suprised so many people are quick to believe it. It's perfectly believable that the two of them had a conversation as to whether Nigel should stay in charge, that's perfectly natural given our position. Perhaps that's what was leaked and Sky jumped the gun presuming he would go in order to get the exclusive. The owners however would not come out and publicy say that they had discussed Nigel's future as he is still the manager and would undermind him greatly. We crave information because so much of it is out there in social media. It's unrealistic to expect there to be a club official sitting there waiting to release statements in answer to every bit of speculation, especially when our owners live in Thailand. It was a Sunday night. After the story broke, it was 4 hours before we released a statement. Now lets assume that it took half an hour for the club officials to get wind of it (again it was Sunday night. Whilst I am a twitter fiend, it was around 40 minutes later before I read about it). That leaves 3 1/2 hours. It may just be the case that before releasing the statement, they couldnt get hold of Top or Vichai. That's not unreasonable. Maybe they were having a father and son Lord of the Rings marathon and didnt want to be disturbed? Who knows. The fact is the club released a statement saying the rumours weren't true. They weren't as Pearson is still the manager. Everything else is pure speculation until the source of the story makes himself known and gives the facts of the matter, which isnt going to happen. Pearson once said the lack of information can lead to mis-information and he's dead right, but reacting to every bit of press speculation just isnt the way we do things and on reflection, I cant say that I disagree with that stance.
okie fox Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 Gary Lineker doesn't strike me as the type pf person who makes things up.
Monk Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 Disagree w/OP. The press stepped out of line by reporting speculation as fact, and regardless of what discussions actually took place within the club the blame should fall with the shitbag journos at Sky & the Guardian. The club prides itself in how it does its business quietly and without fanfare. Top and Vichai are not the type to go in the media making comments like you've suggested.
indierich06 Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 Everyone involved in this incident has come out of it looking like an absolute fool. Embarrassing.
Corky Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 Everyone involved in this incident has come out of it looking like an absolute fool. Embarrassing. Pretty much, the press are against us now, the knives will be sharpening especially if we lose comfortably tonight.
SystonFox Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 It's just like the Jimmy Kebe incident. Just like that
5waller5 Posted 10 February 2015 Author Posted 10 February 2015 Disagree w/OP. The press stepped out of line by reporting speculation as fact, and regardless of what discussions actually took place within the club the blame should fall with the shitbag journos at Sky & the Guardian. The club prides itself in how it does its business quietly and without fanfare. Top and Vichai are not the type to go in the media making comments like you've suggested. No they're not, and I respect them for that. But in this particular instance I think it needs a chairman's statement to put the mis-information and rumour to an end. No single approach to a problem is the right one every time .... Silence is great a lot of the time, but this time I don't think it is.
5waller5 Posted 10 February 2015 Author Posted 10 February 2015 I'm not sure the owners have handled anything particularly badly. What we have to remember is, Sky broke the story and then backtracked. Its basically an inflated version of when Bert said that Jimmy Kebe was at the training ground having a medical. Someone said something to someone which turned out to be not true. As much as I respect Gary Lineker for all he has done for the club, I dont believe for one second what he tweeted. Since taking over the club, the owners have shown nothing but good organisation, patience and most of all, respect for the football club. There is no way that Top/Vichai would sack Pearson without the blessing of the other, no way in heaven or hell and i'm suprised so many people are quick to believe it. It's perfectly believable that the two of them had a conversation as to whether Nigel should stay in charge, that's perfectly natural given our position. Perhaps that's what was leaked and Sky jumped the gun presuming he would go in order to get the exclusive. The owners however would not come out and publicy say that they had discussed Nigel's future as he is still the manager and would undermind him greatly. We crave information because so much of it is out there in social media. It's unrealistic to expect there to be a club official sitting there waiting to release statements in answer to every bit of speculation, especially when our owners live in Thailand. It was a Sunday night. After the story broke, it was 4 hours before we released a statement. Now lets assume that it took half an hour for the club officials to get wind of it (again it was Sunday night. Whilst I am a twitter fiend, it was around 40 minutes later before I read about it). That leaves 3 1/2 hours. It may just be the case that before releasing the statement, they couldnt get hold of Top or Vichai. That's not unreasonable. Maybe they were having a father and son Lord of the Rings marathon and didnt want to be disturbed? Who knows. The fact is the club released a statement saying the rumours weren't true. They weren't as Pearson is still the manager. Everything else is pure speculation until the source of the story makes himself known and gives the facts of the matter, which isnt going to happen. Pearson once said the lack of information can lead to mis-information and he's dead right, but reacting to every bit of press speculation just isnt the way we do things and on reflection, I cant say that I disagree with that stance. It's a balanced reply and I agree with much of it. I'm not just referring to the lack of response on Sunday though, or the length of time it took. I'd like to see something said now .... a firm statement putting right any rumours that aren;t true and stating their position clearly .... If they want this to go away quickly then that, for me, is the better route.
5waller5 Posted 10 February 2015 Author Posted 10 February 2015 Pretty much, the press are against us now, the knives will be sharpening especially if we lose comfortably tonight. They're certainly going to want to justify themselves aren't they. If you make an enemy then choose them wisely .... and one's with massive amounts of influence to people's opinion of your club / brand aren't good enemies to make.
Vlad the Fox Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 Maybe we should putting pressure on Dorset. Who's his source? What exactly did they tell him? What did he hear preceding, and what has he heard since? Basically sky announced Pearson sacked, club announce he isn't, the club want to be finished with it and focus on football yet the reporters still try to keep the story alive. Dorset ****ed up magnificently and this is allowing him to get away with it.
5waller5 Posted 10 February 2015 Author Posted 10 February 2015 Maybe we should putting pressure on Dorset. Who's his source? What exactly did they tell him? What did he hear preceding, and what has he heard since? Basically sky announced Pearson sacked, club announce he isn't, the club want to be finished with it and focus on football yet the reporters still try to keep the story alive. Dorset ****ed up magnificently and this is allowing him to get away with it. He's been pretty clear about his source since though - it was NP's backroom staff (seems to suggest several of them not just one) and the GL tweet seems to collaborate that they had been sacked and were on their way out when a different board member calmed things down and changed the decision. I've got a feeling we'll know a lot more on wednesday, and that the cork is loosely back in the bottle today for match preparation reasons.
Vlad the Fox Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 Who though? Back room staff is rather a broad term was it shaky, one of the sports science team or the person who makes the post match tea. Still not very specific, was it one person? Several? 'Backroom'staff could be a diversion from where it really came from. He's been proved wrong. People are wanting the exact details from Pearson who, as we all know, likes to keep business within the club and relationships personal and private. Yes we would all like to know what went on but as far as he's concerned its know one else's business, yet the bloke who created the shit storm is allowed to be vague.
5waller5 Posted 10 February 2015 Author Posted 10 February 2015 Who though? Back room staff is rather a broad term was it shaky, one of the sports science team or the person who makes the post match tea. Still not very specific, was it one person? Several? 'Backroom'staff could be a diversion from where it really came from. He's been proved wrong. People are wanting the exact details from Pearson who, as we all know, likes to keep business within the club and relationships personal and private. Yes we would all like to know what went on but as far as he's concerned its know one else's business, yet the bloke who created the shit storm is allowed to be vague. I think he's doing the club a favour being vague .... Imagine if he came out and said I'm surprised about the club denying he was sacked when "Shakespeare, S Walsh and etc" said they'd been sacked to me. Then he'd really be called unprofessional and all sorts of other claims .... So what's he meant to do??? He's been pretty clear that it was NP's staff and they were close enough to him to believe totally.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 Do think the owners need to vocally support him, if they really are backing him. Rob Dorset reported Pearson was sacked, him and his staff said their goodbyes, but later in the day reinstated. Because the owners have not come out and addressed the fans on what is slowly becoming an embarrassing season, for many reason, we can only assume the owners are as split in their opinions on Pearson as the fans are. I agree that the owners should vocally back Pearson, if that is how they feel. Being new on the football scene, they appear to be encountering problems they never foresaw, and don't quite know what they need to do for the best. Sack him, or back him.
Merging Cultures Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 Maybe we should putting pressure on Dorset. Who's his source? What exactly did they tell him? What did he hear preceding, and what has he heard since? Basically sky announced Pearson sacked, club announce he isn't, the club want to be finished with it and focus on football yet the reporters still try to keep the story alive. Dorset ****ed up magnificently and this is allowing him to get away with it. You sum it up nicely.
Happy Fox Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 Marc Warburton? https://www.clubcall.com/leicester-city/warburton-twist-as-bees-issue-statement-1758385.html?
Monsell1976 Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 I agree that the owners should vocally back Pearson, if that is how they feel. Being new on the football scene, they appear to be encountering problems they never foresaw, and don't quite know what they need to do for the best. Sack him, or back him. Exactly dt, the manager they have employed has had a shocking season on and off the pitch, the media are making stories of the pressure he's under, reports he was sacked and reinstated, and continued speculation surrounding him.I think it's time we heard from the owners, out of respect for Pearson and the fans, and stop our club becoming more of a farce than we already are. As I said before, this season has been a disaster, but worse than that we are becoming an embarrassment.
Crinklyfox Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 If the facts are embarrassing, then silence is the better option. The press will have something else to take their attention and this will fade into the background.
wurmer Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 If the rumours of the sacking & eventual reprieve are true - then ironically, after all of this - Rob Dorsett is the probably only one who is going to emerge from this with his "integrity" intact? What a difference 36 hours make....
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