SpacedX Posted 14 February 2015 Posted 14 February 2015 THIS And we have owners with financial clout. No other club springs to mind who under these circumstances (best team in Championship by a mile & and with the money to back that up, to account for the obvious step up in class that is the PL ) who has so royally cocked things up. Scandalous mismanagement from a guy who did so well last year. I'm both baffled and frustrated in equal measure. Agree. Consistently poor selection, poor tactics, and poor finishing compounded by a paucity of possession and some atrocious luck.
lcfc81 Posted 14 February 2015 Posted 14 February 2015 I would be absolutely delighted if Pearson was our manager next season, regardless what league we are in. Why? I have grown tired of the ‘hire them fire’ them attitude towards managers that dominated a decade of football at Leicester, I accept than any manager we hire will have limitations, however with Pearson I feel that we are finally re-establishing an identity I can connect with. He seems to be building the club at every level and there is a clear philosophy in how we approach our business. For me I am indifferent to being relegated and don’t see this as the terminal event that other appear to think of it as, I think back to the West Brom yo-yo years and how that has led to them becoming a well-run and successful club after a relegation and promotion pattern. That is not to say that another manager won't arrive at some point, however for me its not now. I think by being seen as a stable club, where you will be backed not sacked, when times get hard will make us a more attractive proposition in the long run. When the day does come (hopefully in a long period of time) where we do change manager, I hope we look for someone that fits 'our philosophy' and not just 'a good manager'. *I must add the caveat that I tend not to sack managers and did not want Sven sacked, in hindsight, this appeared to be the best move in the long run.
cullenfox Posted 14 February 2015 Posted 14 February 2015 That's great. I don't want him sacked either. Love what wenger said. Very nice
Soar Fox Posted 14 February 2015 Posted 14 February 2015 It's an absolute abomination we're bottom of the league. Nige has to turn this around. Makes me so angry we haven't properly competed in the league since 2000. 15 fecking years. Half the clubs aren't anywhere near as big or well backed financially as we are. Tragic really. We competed in the 2003/04 season under Adams. In fact we lost 17 league games that season, we've lost 16 already so far this season.
Donut Posted 14 February 2015 Posted 14 February 2015 We competed in the 2003/04 season under Adams. In fact we lost 17 league games that season, we've lost 16 already so far this season. The key problems with the Adams' team was that it was so old. We held leads in many games, only to concede a ton of late goals. Adams' team had nowhere near the ability (on paper) of this team either.
stillwater Posted 14 February 2015 Posted 14 February 2015 Lose tomorrow and I think he will be gone.
Donut Posted 14 February 2015 Posted 14 February 2015 I dont think it can be denied that there are cracks in the relationship between Pearson and those at board level, smiles or not at Arsenal. His position will certainly be under scrutiny, and it wouldnt be surprised if a sacking did come personally.
shade Posted 14 February 2015 Posted 14 February 2015 Loose tomorrow and I think he will be gone. great news, so if we win, lose or draw he will still be here.
AKCJ Posted 14 February 2015 Posted 14 February 2015 I dont think it can be denied that there are cracks in the relationship between Pearson and those at board level, smiles or not at Arsenal. His position will certainly be under scrutiny, and it wouldnt be surprised if a sacking did come personally. It absolutely can be denied. If Pearson had a bad relationship with the board he would have been sacked months ago.
Guest Col city fan Posted 14 February 2015 Posted 14 February 2015 It absolutely can be denied. If Pearson had a bad relationship with the board he would have been sacked months ago. No offence, but do you ever do anything other than defend Pearson? Seemingly at any cost. It's almost like he could take us down to League 1 and you wouldn't bat an eyelid. If reports are true, he was very nearly sacked just the other night. I think he's walking a fine line personally. Which isn't surprising given the season we are having. I so want to see us go out tomorrow and to give a good account of ourselves. I don't want to go out of the cup. And if we do lose tomorrow, it will be yet another false dawn this season. If we do lose again, it would not surprise me personally if the Board again consider Nigel's position. We need a victory, not yet more excuses.
Clever Fox Posted 14 February 2015 Posted 14 February 2015 He was lucky to escape last Sunday. He hadn't even the good sense to keep quiet during the week. What he should do now starting tomorrow is improve results and then he can win over a lot of his doubters. If he doesn't I fear he may go either way at the end of the season.
AKCJ Posted 14 February 2015 Posted 14 February 2015 No offence, but do you ever do anything other than defend Pearson? Seemingly at any cost. It's almost like he could take us down to League 1 and you wouldn't bat an eyelid. If reports are true, he was very nearly sacked just the other night. I think he's walking a fine line personally. Which isn't surprising given the season we are having. I so want to see us go out tomorrow and to give a good account of ourselves. I don't want to go out of the cup. And if we do lose tomorrow, it will be yet another false dawn this season. If we do lose again, it would not surprise me personally if the Board again consider Nigel's position. We need a victory, not yet more excuses. I think that if he had a bad relationship with the owners that he would have gone ages ago because of the season we've had has been poor results wise. How is that defending Nige?
Guest Col city fan Posted 14 February 2015 Posted 14 February 2015 I think that if he had a bad relationship with the owners that he would have gone ages ago because of the season we've had has been poor results wise. How is that defending Nige? I believe that the Thais had their fingers burnt with Sven. They spent a lot of wasted money with him as manager and then had to pay a fortune to get rid of him and to appoint Pearson. They seem a patient and probably quite a loyal family. So they were always going to give Pearson time. The fact that even they, or so it seems, had just about had enough, suggests that their patience is probably nearing an end. I'm not only referring to your post above. Some people seem to simply turn anything they possibly can into something pro-Pearson. Apologies if this is not what you do, but if my memory is correct I've seen quite a few posts by yourself that are very defensive of the man.
AKCJ Posted 14 February 2015 Posted 14 February 2015 I believe that the Thais had their fingers burnt with Sven. They spent a lot of wasted money with him as manager and then had to pay a fortune to get rid of him and to appoint Pearson. They seem a patient and probably quite a loyal family. So they were always going to give Pearson time. The fact that even they, or so it seems, had just about had enough, suggests that their patience is probably nearing an end. I'm not only referring to your post above. Some people seem to simply turn anything they possibly can into something pro-Pearson. Apologies if this is not what you do, but if my memory is correct I've seen quite a few posts by yourself that are very defensive of the man. I am absolutely 'pro-Pearson', why shouldn't I be? Not that the post in question is defending or attacking Nige in any way. Why do you think it seems as though they've just about had enough? What suggests that? They completely avoid the media so you're just guessing. A total **** up from Sky is all you're going on.
Guest Col city fan Posted 14 February 2015 Posted 14 February 2015 I am absolutely 'pro-Pearson', why shouldn't I be? Not that the post in question is defending or attacking Nige in any way. Why do you think it seems as though they've just about had enough? What suggests that? They completely avoid the media so you're just guessing. A total **** up from Sky is all you're going on. This makes my point. And is so similar to so many other posts this season. It is clear that something happened the other night. Exactly what, we don't know, though the reports were that the family were torn over whether to keep Pearson in a job or not. If all was going well this season, we wouldn't have had the carnival that we have had over the past few weeks. We wouldn't be five points adrift and we wouldn't be having this conversation. Your loyalty to the man, though commendable, is skewed. It's biased. Just a bit of balance would be more interesting to read.
Mark_w Posted 14 February 2015 Posted 14 February 2015 If all was going well this season, we wouldn't have had the carnival that we have had over the past few weeks. We wouldn't be five points adrift and we wouldn't be having this conversation. Your loyalty to the man, though commendable, is skewed. It's biased. Just a bit of balance would be more interesting to read. Everybody's opinion, including your own, is biased. That doesn't mean there isn't strong evidence to support it. Just pointing out that it's biased is a very lazy way of saying nothing useful at all. And your constant calls for balance whenever someone argues they want Pearson in, but not when they want Pearson out, is the most hypocritical and annoying thing I've ever seen.
Sharpe's Fox Posted 14 February 2015 Posted 14 February 2015 Col's right. This forum is not the place for "opinions", we should follow the doctrines of great visionaries like Kim Jong Un and the medieval Catholic Church.
Guest Col city fan Posted 14 February 2015 Posted 14 February 2015 Everybody's opinion, including your own, is biased. That doesn't mean there isn't strong evidence to support it. Just pointing out that it's biased is a very lazy way of saying nothing useful at all. And your constant calls for balance whenever someone argues they want Pearson in, but not when they want Pearson out, is the most hypocritical and annoying thing I've ever seen. You and the poster above are two peas in a pod. When you will just not discuss anything that may be detrimental to Sir Nige, that IS pointless. I'm not being drawn into this nonsense again though. I'll be going round in circles once more,
Mark_w Posted 14 February 2015 Posted 14 February 2015 You and the poster above are two peas in a pod. When you will just not discuss anything that may be detrimental to Sir Nige, that IS pointless. How can you think I don't discuss anything that may be detrimental to Nigel Pearson? That's basically all I ever do on here, you just don't agree because I'm often defending him because I think he's a very good manager. That's not refusing to have a discussion, that's disagreeing with you, you really need to work out that there's a difference. Edit: I'm not trying to be a dick, I just really wish you'd stop this, balance/bias/everyone who disagrees with me isn't willing to have a rational conversation, shit.
Donut Posted 14 February 2015 Posted 14 February 2015 This makes my point. And is so similar to so many other posts this season. It is clear that something happened the other night. Exactly what, we don't know, though the reports were that the family were torn over whether to keep Pearson in a job or not. If all was going well this season, we wouldn't have had the carnival that we have had over the past few weeks. We wouldn't be five points adrift and we wouldn't be having this conversation. Your loyalty to the man, though commendable, is skewed. It's biased. Just a bit of balance would be more interesting to read. This is the case in my eyes. There were events on Sunday. They werent quashed by anyone immediately after, nor did Pearson himseld in his pre match press conference deny anything. There has also been a restructing of the club, Terry Robinson being moved on and John Rudkin taking up his position. Pearson would have been a part of these discussions without doubt. So to just the emphasis onto Sky is ignorant of the events. There is a definite strain of relationship, it just remains to be seen how events play out.
st albans fox Posted 14 February 2015 Posted 14 February 2015 I believe that the Thais had their fingers burnt with Sven. They spent a lot of wasted money with him as manager and then had to pay a fortune to get rid of him and to appoint Pearson. They seem a patient and probably quite a loyal family. So they were always going to give Pearson time. The fact that even they, or so it seems, had just about had enough, suggests that their patience is probably nearing an end. I'm not only referring to your post above. Some people seem to simply turn anything they possibly can into something pro-Pearson. Apologies if this is not what you do, but if my memory is correct I've seen quite a few posts by yourself that are very defensive of the man. been thinking about this col. last sunday something happened. the chairman was there on saturday and would have seen the footage of the incident. he would have seen the photo on saturday evening of nigel with his hands on JM's throat. however, he would also have known that this was not an accurate picture of what happened as the contact was very short lived. what was the catalyst for the events of sunday. do you think that there are other interested parties in the far east who put pressure on vichai to terminate NP's employment due to the dreadful image flashed around the globe? i cant believe that vichai and Top would not be able to come to a sensible decision between themselves without having to make a call and then reverse it. may well be that Top, once aware of his fathers actions, managed to get them changed. i have wondered if there are other investors in the club who prefer to be faceless. perhaps this episode lends weight to that ? in respect of criticism of the manager - everyone should be able to pass comment, good and bad. if someone feels unable to pass negative comment then they are not balanced. the opposite is also true.
Salieri Posted 14 February 2015 Posted 14 February 2015 You and the poster above are two peas in a pod. When you will just not discuss anything that may be detrimental to Sir Nige, that IS pointless. I'm not being drawn into this nonsense again though. I'll be going round in circles once more, So, who would you like to see take over then, Col? Cos it seems to me that whilst most 'Pearsonites' (urgh) can see his faults and have certain reservations, they also see that there are very few candidates out there (if any) who could and would do a better job at this moment of time. Personally, I think he will have learnt a hell of a lot this season and I would like us to stick with him regardless of whether we go down. Hopefully, the owners share the same view.
Donut Posted 14 February 2015 Posted 14 February 2015 So, who would you like to see take over then, Col? Cos it seems to me that whilst most 'Pearsonites' (urgh) can see his faults and have certain reservations, they also see that there are very few candidates out there (if any) who could and would do a better job at this moment of time. Personally, I think he will have learnt a hell of a lot this season and I would like us to stick with him regardless of whether we go down. Hopefully, the owners share the same view. Its not so much about speculating on replacements, but its just the fact that there is a strain, to some degree, between the board and management. Events of this season, and especially recent weeks demonstrate that to the most staunch Pearson fan.
AKCJ Posted 14 February 2015 Posted 14 February 2015 This makes my point. And is so similar to so many other posts this season. It is clear that something happened the other night. Exactly what, we don't know, though the reports were that the family were torn over whether to keep Pearson in a job or not. If all was going well this season, we wouldn't have had the carnival that we have had over the past few weeks. We wouldn't be five points adrift and we wouldn't be having this conversation. Your loyalty to the man, though commendable, is skewed. It's biased. Just a bit of balance would be more interesting to read. The reports were that he was sacked before the club came out and squashed the rumours. After that only rumour suggests that family was torn. In fact, not even rumour, just pure guesswork on Gary Linekar's part. You seem to think that because i'm pro Pearson that i'm oblivious to the poor results. I'm not, results have been utterly atrocious but performances haven't. The club is in a solid position with Nige in charge, I don't think there is anyone out there (now that Pulis has been snapped up) who could come in and run the club better than Nige does. Sacking him, in my opinion, would be the short term cop out. I think that even if we go down with Nige that we'll still be in a good enough position to come up with a strong team.
Salieri Posted 14 February 2015 Posted 14 February 2015 Its not so much about speculating on replacements, but its just the fact that there is a strain, to some degree, between the board and management. Events of this season, and especially recent weeks demonstrate that to the most staunch Pearson fan. So the press would have us believe. I think at most clubs there is a degree of tension between the management and the board, it's not exactly uncommon. Pearson has done himself no favors with his antics at times, but hopefully a line can be drawn and we can move on.
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